Gallup Poll Finds Democrats More Compassionate; Republicans More Uncaring

[glenn1]

Where else are we going to get our army and hordes to over throw the good old boys of America?

Barry thought he could train the Middle East folks to do it,... damn community leader forgot his community (the ghettos and inner city you speak of). Serves him right to have this blow up in his face!

Yeah, sorry for diverting you from your ongoing compassion, like NYC having the worst income inequality in the nation and your city's new fad of taking selfie photos with homeless people.

 

[Zorba]

Why should church giving be considered a different category? Seems to me it's all charitable. My daughter worked at my church this past weekend feeding homeless folks. Churches do that sort of thing

Yes, I agree many/most churches do a lot to help out the community, but a ton of the donations just go to operations not to the true charity aspects. There are also a great number of churches that use their donations to pay their pastors huge salaries, just look at the life style of Oral Roberts, Jr.

The budget for the last church I went to in Cincinnati had less than 5% going to things I would consider charitable. The rest went to overhead, salaries, advertizing, etc.

I know all charities have overhead, but the Churches I've seen take that to an extreme. And I am completely against anyone getting rich off of donations, which I see happening a lot at mega-chruches.

 

[Vic]

It would be interesting to see if that held true if religious donations were removed. But based on my life experiences, I tend to agree that liberals talk more about helping the poor/kids, etc but conservatives actually give/do more to help. But then again, I know a lot more conservatives too.

Your church didn't end up giving much to the poor after they built that new 10k seat mega chapel, the new private school where they guarantee your child will not get a proper science education, and the pastor built his new 10k square foot house.

Seriously though, the only churches that I know of that are genuinely charitable are the Mormons and the Catholics.
Joel Osteen and the rest of evangelical Chistianity.. not so much.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Yeah, sorry for diverting you from your ongoing compassion, like NYC having the worst income inequality in the nation and your city's new fad of taking selfie photos with homeless people.

No compassion in doing The Master's will - it is.

 

[Matt1970]

Your church didn't end up giving much to the poor after they built that new 10k seat mega chapel, the new private school where they guarantee your child will not get a proper science education, and the pastor built his new 10k square foot house.

Seriously though, the only churches that I know of that are genuinely charitable are the Mormons and the Catholics.
Joel Osteen and the rest of evangelical Chistianity.. not so much.

You are wrong about Joel Osteen. He hasn't taken a salary from his own church in almost 9 years and actually donates back to it as well as many other churches.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You are wrong about Joel Osteen. He hasn't taken a salary from his own church in almost 9 years and actually donates back to it as well as many other churches.

He's wrong about evangelical Chistianity as well.

 

[Oldgamer]

You are wrong about Joel Osteen. He hasn't taken a salary from his own church in almost 9 years and actually donates back to it as well as many other churches.

Whaaat? Have you seen his million dollar mansion, and the expensive cars he and his wife drives? Puulease....

The Olsteens live large in a 10.5 million dollar mansion in River Oaks and is unapologetic about his wealth http://blog.chron.com/believeitorno...logetic-wealth-and-victorias-secret-lingerie/

 

[soulcougher73]

Whaaat? Have you seen his million dollar mansion, and the expensive cars he and his wife drives? Puulease....

The Olsteens live large in a 10.5 million dollar mansion in River Oaks and is unapologetic about his wealth http://blog.chron.com/believeitorno...logetic-wealth-and-victorias-secret-lingerie/

What's that saying "Sheeple and money are easily parted"? No. it was "fools and money". Oh well. Same difference.

 

[Matt1970]

Whaaat? Have you seen his million dollar mansion, and the expensive cars he and his wife drives? Puulease....

The Olsteens live large in a 10.5 million dollar mansion in River Oaks and is unapologetic about his wealth http://blog.chron.com/believeitorno...logetic-wealth-and-victorias-secret-lingerie/

Joel Osteen makes all his money off his book sales and tours. He doesn't take one dime from that church. Did you not even read your own link? "The Osteens haven’t taken a salary from Lakewood Church in years, instead making millions off of book advances, then donating huge amounts to the church and charity."

Maybe it's that pesky English thing again.

 

[rudeguy]

Whaaat? Have you seen his million dollar mansion, and the expensive cars he and his wife drives? Puulease....

The Olsteens live large in a 10.5 million dollar mansion in River Oaks and is unapologetic about his wealth http://blog.chron.com/believeitorno...logetic-wealth-and-victorias-secret-lingerie/

However what matt said was true. Joel donates a ton of money and doesn't take a salary. Your link supports that, it doesn't dispute it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

However what matt said was true. Joel donates a ton of money and doesn't take a salary. Your link supports that, it doesn't dispute it.

I think Oldgamer is going senile on us.

 

[Zaap]

Gee, another fail thread for our resident bleeding hearts.

All the usual bullshit- the failure to redefine "compassionate" into "agrees with every backward ,idiotic thing leftists want" then easily countered anecdotal bullshit "conservatives don't give to charity because I say so from here in my mom's basement!" and finally just the usual fallback to whining about anyone who has more money than they have.

Yes, constantly drooling over other people's money and whining because they have more than you is just the cornerstone of being "compassionate", not just being a dumb, envious bastard.

 

[Oldgamer]

I think with all the posts in this thread the OP is pretty spot on..lol

 

[Oldgamer]

However what matt said was true. Joel donates a ton of money and doesn't take a salary. Your link supports that, it doesn't dispute it.

The guy is a salesman scammer.. plain and simple. Just do some research online.

 

[Matt1970]

The guy is a salesman scammer.. plain and simple. Just do some research online.

You don't even read your own link yet you want people to do some research?

 

[Moonbeam]

I base my understanding of the level of compassion of liberals and conservatives on how they treat the least among us, folk like myself who are obviously mentally damaged and lost in error. There are a number of exceptions but most liberals run and most conservatives dump calumny. Interestingly, when one was recently challenged as to why he was so certain of all my defects instead of tentative, he explained that he was indifferent to the possibility he could be wrong and didn't care.

But beyond the issue of which party is more compassionate, an irrelevant issue in my opinion, is the issue of how to be compassionate, how one can make a difference, what one believes about how to help. This is where the matter of the least among us comes into play. What did Jesus mean? I can answer only with what I think he means of course, and that is that he is compassionate who sees God within himself and seeing that knows that He is within everybody, that God is every person, that God loves each of us the same, and that as you treat your opinion of how much you are worth in the estimation of your stupid ego who is anything but the God within you, you will begin to contemplate and act upon what it means to love another unconditionally. As you see the other so shall your stupid ego know of God's love for you. Everything is Karma and it is instant. The door to the Kingdom of Heaven is opened only by love.

So back to your competitive partisanship, you worthless bickering pricks, who are loved more than you can imagine.

 

[Vic]

However what matt said was true. Joel donates a ton of money and doesn't take a salary. Your link supports that, it doesn't dispute it.

http://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+19:16-24&version=NIV

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

http://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+19%3A16-24&version=NIV

So you can't be rich and still be a Christian? Is that what you concluded from that passage?

 

[bshole]

Interesting....

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Last year, in his blog fellow Texan pastor The Rev. Dr. H. Gene Straatmeyer wrote: “I believe Joel Osteen’s prosperity gospel is one of those great, modern flights away from the deepest streams of faith ... Osteen and his crowd of theological adapters slowly but surely went about making the needle’s eye more attractive for themselves and their followers. They began to bless the acquisition of wealth as a part of their campaign to assure their followers that God wants the materialistic good times to roll onward and upward and to convince them that pastors like me have it all wrong.”

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/05/joel_osteen_harrisburg_pennsyl.html

 

[Oldgamer]

Interesting....





http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/05/joel_osteen_harrisburg_pennsyl.html

Haha... Like I said scammer.

 

[Vic]

So you can't be rich and still be a Christian? Is that what you concluded from that passage?

No, that's not what I concluded from that passage at all. What I concluded from that passage is that you could be the perfect Christian in every other aspect, but if you are rich then you unlikely to be going to Heaven. The desire to accumulate wealth represents a lack of faith in God.
For further reading on this subject, I recommend Matthew 6:19-34.

http://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+6:19-34&version=NIV

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

No, that's what I concluded from that passage at all. What I concluded from that passage is that you could be the perfect Christian in every other aspect, but if you are rich then you won't be going to Heaven. The desire to accumulate wealth represents a lack of faith in God.
For further reading on this subject, I recommend Matthew 6:19-34.

http://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+6%3A19-34&version=NIV

That's not correct. The passage was about love of money and the cost of discipleship...not about having money. It's about priorities in life. Here's an explanation of the 'camel through the eye of the needle' passage. This should give you a more accurate picture of mainstream Christian thought on this issue.

http://www.gotquestions.org/camel-eye-needle.html

Here's another link that gives a better overview of the subject.

http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_money.htm

 

[Matt1970]

Interesting....





http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/05/joel_osteen_harrisburg_pennsyl.html

You shall not covet your neighbor's house.

 

[Zaap]

Anyone else find it highly ironic, even funny, that just in passing, one is a lot more likely to hear a bunch of self-righteous bible-thumping spiel from leftwingers trying to denigrate religious people they don't like, than from the religious people themselves?


Seriously, it's amazing. I've never even heard a peep from this Osteen person, whoever he is, and could care less how much money he has. Yet we've got to wade through ignorant preachy bible-thumping assholiness from every other leftwing twat on here.

 

[Vic]

That's not correct. The passage was about love of money...not having money. It's about priorities in life. Here's an explanation of the 'camel through the eye of the needle' passage. This should give you a more accurate picture of mainstream Christian thought on this issue.

http://www.gotquestions.org/camel-eye-needle.html

Your link does not support your claim in this post. In fact, it says the opposite.

Also, please note that I have not said anything about mainstream Christianity in this thread. Evangelical, Pentecostal, Charismatic, and Prosperity Christianity are all not mainstream Christianity.