Gaining a six pack...

BoldAsLove

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I am trying to workoff some of the fat on my belly. I am not fat by any means, I just have a gut that I want to get rid of. I am about 6'1 and weigh about 180. Is the key just a bunch of crunches? If so how many sets and how often etc.? Also what kind of food is good to eat while on a "get lean" diet?

Edit - I also have a bowflex-esque machine and a treadmill in my house for access if that helps any.
I am also considering getting a membership to my new 24 hour fitness.
 

BigJ

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It doesn't matter how much you work your abs, you're never going to see the "six-pack."

The only way to get your abs to show is to reduce your BF %.
 

Modular

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Originally posted by: BigJ
It doesn't matter how much you work your abs, you're never going to see the "six-pack."

The only way to get your abs to show is to reduce your BF %.

And you would do this how?

 

BoldAsLove

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Originally posted by: BigJ
It doesn't matter how much you work your abs, you're never going to see the "six-pack."

The only way to get your abs to show is to reduce your BF %.

Last time I checked, my body fat was 13 (that was last summer). Its probably like 14 now since that was when I had a gym membership. ughhh.
 

ts3433

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Originally posted by: Modular
Originally posted by: BigJ
It doesn't matter how much you work your abs, you're never going to see the "six-pack."

The only way to get your abs to show is to reduce your BF %.

And you would do this how?

Cardio, I'd guess. (I don't exercise, although I should) I've heard that it's impossible to target one specific area of the body from which to lose fat, but given my lack of expertise and experience I could be wrong.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Modular
Originally posted by: BigJ
It doesn't matter how much you work your abs, you're never going to see the "six-pack."

The only way to get your abs to show is to reduce your BF %.

And you would do this how?

I'm too tired to get into it, but for a general idea behind it, look up what a "cutting cycle" is. It's part of a program, but the general idea of a cutting cycle is to reduce BF % and gain definition.
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
I am trying to workoff some of the fat on my belly. I am not fat by any means, I just have a gut that I want to get rid of. I am about 6'1 and weigh about 180. Is the key just a bunch of crunches? If so how many sets and how often etc.? Also what kind of food is good to eat while on a "get lean" diet?

Edit - I also have a bowflex-esque machine and a treadmill in my house for access if that helps any.

The key to abs is NOT a bunch of crunches. Having visible abs is a combination of building the muscles up and having a low enough bodyfat to see them. You build them up by doing weighted ab exercises like cable crunches. Do them 1-2 times per week max. In reality, doing this is not nearly as important as losing the fat though.

The most important point is your diet though. You could have the largest ab muscles in the world and no one will be able to see them if they are covered with a layer of fat. The key to losing the fat is to burn slightly more calories than you consume over a long period of time. To really do this, you need to start tracking your daily caloric intake. For this, I recommend Fitday

The caloric deficit can be created through diet alone or with the addition of cardio. I prefer the diet only approach because doing cardio risks burning muscle along with it. Really though, if you are trying to lose fat you should be doing a heavy weightlifting program along with it to convince your body to hang on to as much muscle as possible.

There is a lot more info and specifics I could get into, but rather than type it all out yet again, I'll just refer you to the link in my sig. Go there, sign up, and make a post introducing yourself and stating your goals. There are a lot of people there who would be more than happy to help you. Or just PM me sometime.

 

BoldAsLove

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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
I am trying to workoff some of the fat on my belly. I am not fat by any means, I just have a gut that I want to get rid of. I am about 6'1 and weigh about 180. Is the key just a bunch of crunches? If so how many sets and how often etc.? Also what kind of food is good to eat while on a "get lean" diet?

Edit - I also have a bowflex-esque machine and a treadmill in my house for access if that helps any.

The key to abs is NOT a bunch of crunches. Having visible abs is a combination of building the muscles up and having a low enough bodyfat to see them. You build them up by doing weighted ab exercises like cable crunches. Do them 1-2 times per week max. In reality, doing this is not nearly as important as losing the fat though.

The most important point is your diet though. You could have the largest ab muscles in the world and no one will be able to see them if they are covered with a layer of fat. The key to losing the fat is to burn slightly more calories than you consume over a long period of time. To really do this, you need to start tracking your daily caloric intake. For this, I recommend Fitday

The caloric deficit can be created through diet alone or with the addition of cardio. I prefer the diet only approach because doing cardio risks burning muscle along with it. Really though, if you are trying to lose fat you should be doing a heavy weightlifting program along with it to convince your body to hang on to as much muscle as possible.

There is a lot more info and specifics I could get into, but rather than type it all out yet again, I'll just refer you to the link in my sig. Go there, sign up, and make a post introducing yourself and stating your goals. There are a lot of people there who would be more than happy to help you. Or just PM me sometime.

Do you have any food/drink reccomendations that are healthy but yet dont taste like chalk?
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
I am trying to workoff some of the fat on my belly. I am not fat by any means, I just have a gut that I want to get rid of. I am about 6'1 and weigh about 180. Is the key just a bunch of crunches? If so how many sets and how often etc.? Also what kind of food is good to eat while on a "get lean" diet?

Edit - I also have a bowflex-esque machine and a treadmill in my house for access if that helps any.

The key to abs is NOT a bunch of crunches. Having visible abs is a combination of building the muscles up and having a low enough bodyfat to see them. You build them up by doing weighted ab exercises like cable crunches. Do them 1-2 times per week max. In reality, doing this is not nearly as important as losing the fat though.

The most important point is your diet though. You could have the largest ab muscles in the world and no one will be able to see them if they are covered with a layer of fat. The key to losing the fat is to burn slightly more calories than you consume over a long period of time. To really do this, you need to start tracking your daily caloric intake. For this, I recommend Fitday

The caloric deficit can be created through diet alone or with the addition of cardio. I prefer the diet only approach because doing cardio risks burning muscle along with it. Really though, if you are trying to lose fat you should be doing a heavy weightlifting program along with it to convince your body to hang on to as much muscle as possible.

There is a lot more info and specifics I could get into, but rather than type it all out yet again, I'll just refer you to the link in my sig. Go there, sign up, and make a post introducing yourself and stating your goals. There are a lot of people there who would be more than happy to help you. Or just PM me sometime.

Do you have any food/drink reccomendations that are healthy but yet dont taste like chalk?

I'll give you a link to a famous post on that message board I linked called "What a Bodybuilder Eats". Granted some of it may not taste good, but keep in mind you have some choices. I hate the taste of tuna, but that's OK becuase I can also get my protein from chicken breast, lean ground beef, fish, etc. You can also add 0 calorie sauces and spices to make things more flavorful. My point is that while this stuff may not be as exciting to eat as pizza, ice cream, etc., there are ways to make it taste better without sacrificing its nutritional value. Anyway, here is the link:

What a Bodybuilder Eats

The really important thing though is to find your maintenance calories, and start from there. You can do that using a calculator here: link This calculator will give you your approximate "maintenance" calories. This gives you the amount of calories you would need to eat to keep your weight exactly the same (again, approximately). Since you want to lose fat, you will want to decrease this somewhat.

Start by eating your maintenance calories for a couple weeks and see what happens to your weight. If it stays the same, you know the calculator was right on. If you gain some weight, you know the calculator estimated too high, and if you lose weight, well that's what you want to do anyway.

Now, if your weight stayed the same or went up during those two weeks, you need to reduce your calories by say 10%. Track your weight for another week and see what happens. If you are still have not lost weight, then drop another 100 cals the next week. Keep this up each week until you are losing about 1-2 lbs. per week. You may have to make further reductions to keep the fat loss going.

As to your diet, I recommend getting about 40% of your cals from protein, 40% from carbs, and 20% from healthy fats.

Remember to weigh yourself first thing every morning. Do NOT get one of those bodyfat scales. They use bioimpedance to measure bodyfat, which is a highly inaccurate method. Instead use the mirror as your ultimate guide.

Also I cannot stress this enough - you NEED to track your calories every day on Fitday.

This should be enough info to get you started, but I would still recommend going to that board in my sig and registering. There is a ton of good info on there, and lots of helpful people too. As I mentioned earlier, you really need to add a weight training program along with your fat loss plans to see optimal results.

Also there is the whole issue of supplements - For a beginner I would only recommend a protein powder and a multivitamin. Just think of the protein powder as a convenient form of food - it's much faster and easier to mix up a shake than it is to cook a meal, so the powder helps in that regard.

 

PhoenixOrion

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In line with above advice,

less calorie intake: complex carbs has the highest but so does fat calories so minimize pasta, breads and rice. if you are hungry, hit the bowl of salad or fresh fruits.
some people forget about beverages. same idea, cut down on beer calories and sweet fruity cocktails.

high calorie output: run!!! if you are concerned with impact on knees and back, try elliptical and go low impact (lower resistance) but keep regimen/time longer, for example, minimum 60 minutes on precor elliptical.

set a practical goal: for less stress make sure goal is practical, ie 6 months, 9 months of discipline, etc. you're not gonna get it overnight or in a few weeks.
 

BoldAsLove

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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
I am trying to workoff some of the fat on my belly. I am not fat by any means, I just have a gut that I want to get rid of. I am about 6'1 and weigh about 180. Is the key just a bunch of crunches? If so how many sets and how often etc.? Also what kind of food is good to eat while on a "get lean" diet?

Edit - I also have a bowflex-esque machine and a treadmill in my house for access if that helps any.

The key to abs is NOT a bunch of crunches. Having visible abs is a combination of building the muscles up and having a low enough bodyfat to see them. You build them up by doing weighted ab exercises like cable crunches. Do them 1-2 times per week max. In reality, doing this is not nearly as important as losing the fat though.

The most important point is your diet though. You could have the largest ab muscles in the world and no one will be able to see them if they are covered with a layer of fat. The key to losing the fat is to burn slightly more calories than you consume over a long period of time. To really do this, you need to start tracking your daily caloric intake. For this, I recommend Fitday

The caloric deficit can be created through diet alone or with the addition of cardio. I prefer the diet only approach because doing cardio risks burning muscle along with it. Really though, if you are trying to lose fat you should be doing a heavy weightlifting program along with it to convince your body to hang on to as much muscle as possible.

There is a lot more info and specifics I could get into, but rather than type it all out yet again, I'll just refer you to the link in my sig. Go there, sign up, and make a post introducing yourself and stating your goals. There are a lot of people there who would be more than happy to help you. Or just PM me sometime.

Do you have any food/drink reccomendations that are healthy but yet dont taste like chalk?

I'll give you a link to a famous post on that message board I linked called "What a Bodybuilder Eats". Granted some of it may not taste good, but keep in mind you have some choices. I hate the taste of tuna, but that's OK becuase I can also get my protein from chicken breast, lean ground beef, fish, etc. You can also add 0 calorie sauces and spices to make things more flavorful. My point is that while this stuff may not be as exciting to eat as pizza, ice cream, etc., there are ways to make it taste better without sacrificing its nutritional value. Anyway, here is the link:

What a Bodybuilder Eats

Thanks for the link, I will bookmark it. Also, do you know any reccomendations for a nice scale that will also accurately measure my body fat?
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
I am trying to workoff some of the fat on my belly. I am not fat by any means, I just have a gut that I want to get rid of. I am about 6'1 and weigh about 180. Is the key just a bunch of crunches? If so how many sets and how often etc.? Also what kind of food is good to eat while on a "get lean" diet?

Edit - I also have a bowflex-esque machine and a treadmill in my house for access if that helps any.

The key to abs is NOT a bunch of crunches. Having visible abs is a combination of building the muscles up and having a low enough bodyfat to see them. You build them up by doing weighted ab exercises like cable crunches. Do them 1-2 times per week max. In reality, doing this is not nearly as important as losing the fat though.

The most important point is your diet though. You could have the largest ab muscles in the world and no one will be able to see them if they are covered with a layer of fat. The key to losing the fat is to burn slightly more calories than you consume over a long period of time. To really do this, you need to start tracking your daily caloric intake. For this, I recommend Fitday

The caloric deficit can be created through diet alone or with the addition of cardio. I prefer the diet only approach because doing cardio risks burning muscle along with it. Really though, if you are trying to lose fat you should be doing a heavy weightlifting program along with it to convince your body to hang on to as much muscle as possible.

There is a lot more info and specifics I could get into, but rather than type it all out yet again, I'll just refer you to the link in my sig. Go there, sign up, and make a post introducing yourself and stating your goals. There are a lot of people there who would be more than happy to help you. Or just PM me sometime.

Do you have any food/drink reccomendations that are healthy but yet dont taste like chalk?

I'll give you a link to a famous post on that message board I linked called "What a Bodybuilder Eats". Granted some of it may not taste good, but keep in mind you have some choices. I hate the taste of tuna, but that's OK becuase I can also get my protein from chicken breast, lean ground beef, fish, etc. You can also add 0 calorie sauces and spices to make things more flavorful. My point is that while this stuff may not be as exciting to eat as pizza, ice cream, etc., there are ways to make it taste better without sacrificing its nutritional value. Anyway, here is the link:

What a Bodybuilder Eats

Thanks for the link, I will bookmark it. Also, do you know any reccomendations for a nice scale that will also accurately measure my body fat?

Please refer to my above post which I edited to answer your question and add a lot more info.

 

Shadowknight

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If you plan on building up your abs, make sure you also work out your back to prevent muscular imbalance.
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
In line with above advice,

less calorie intake: complex carbs has the highest but so does fat calories so minimize pasta, breads and rice. if you are hungry, hit the bowl of salad or fresh fruits.
some people forget about beverages. same idea, cut down on beer calories and sweet fruity cocktails.

high calorie output: run!!! if you are concerned with impact on knees and back, try elliptical and go low impact (lower resistance) but keep regimen/time longer, for example, minimum 60 minutes on precor elliptical.

set a practical goal: for less stress make sure goal is practical, ie 6 months, 9 months of discipline, etc. you're not gonna get it overnight or in a few weeks.

Your advice is correct but as I said before, just track everything and take the element of uncertainty out of it. Don't rely on general strategies like "cut down on beer", "eat salad instead of chips", "drink water instead of juice", etc.

If you have an exact caloric goal you know you need to be hitting (and not exceeding) each day, and you know that ~40% of your calories must come from protein, ~%40 must come from carbs, and ~20% from healthy fats, the rest will come out in the wash. You just have to be diligent and track what you eat.

 

Ctrackstar126

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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
In line with above advice,

less calorie intake: complex carbs has the highest but so does fat calories so minimize pasta, breads and rice. if you are hungry, hit the bowl of salad or fresh fruits.
some people forget about beverages. same idea, cut down on beer calories and sweet fruity cocktails.

high calorie output: run!!! if you are concerned with impact on knees and back, try elliptical and go low impact (lower resistance) but keep regimen/time longer, for example, minimum 60 minutes on precor elliptical.

set a practical goal: for less stress make sure goal is practical, ie 6 months, 9 months of discipline, etc. you're not gonna get it overnight or in a few weeks.

Your advice is correct but as I said before, just track everything and take the element of uncertainty out of it. Don't rely on general strategies like "cut down on beer", "eat salad instead of chips", "drink water instead of juice", etc.

If you have an exact caloric goal you know you need to be hitting (and not exceeding) each day, and you know that ~40% of your calories must come from protein, ~%40 must come from carbs, and ~20% from healthy fats, the rest will come out in the wash. You just have to be diligent and track what you eat.


What was said here is outmost important. You cant just think about the things that are better. Writing it down is the sure way to success.
 

mikelish

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yep, abs are more a low BF than having big muscles.

I don't think it's possible to target what area of your body you're going to lose weight. so you have to just lose overall body weight by burning more calories than your body is taking in.
 

amol

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Originally posted by: Shadowknight
If you plan on building up your abs, make sure you also work out your back to prevent muscular imbalance.

What exercises/machines would you do for that?
 

Xyclone

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Originally posted by: Amol
Originally posted by: Shadowknight
If you plan on building up your abs, make sure you also work out your back to prevent muscular imbalance.

What exercises/machines would you do for that?

No machines are needed... just use dumbells/barbells. Do deadlifts, yates rows, wide-grip pullups and dips.
 

amol

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Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: Amol
Originally posted by: Shadowknight
If you plan on building up your abs, make sure you also work out your back to prevent muscular imbalance.

What exercises/machines would you do for that?

No machines are needed... just use dumbells/barbells. Do deadlifts, yates rows, wide-grip pullups and dips.

Already do those, guess I'm good :)
 

ubercaffeinated

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I don't have a 6 pack, but I do have a 4 pack. I got it by excessive running/cardio, and lowering caloric intake. Situps/ab work outs I do only about twice a week, but only to improve definition. There's a saying around the gym that says that abs are made in the kitchen. It's true. You've gotta give up crappy foods, and run like hell. HIIT workouts help alot too, so throw those in. Lower your body fat %. It depends on the person when abs will be come apparent. For me it was around 7-8%.
 
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You wan't it fast? You can get it in roughly 1 week.

1) Do 8 minute abs at least 5 times a day (see Youtube), and in addition to that do a bunch of crunches on your own.
2) Juice fast. It worked for me. I dropped a belt size in 3 freaking days. Hell, you lost a buttload of weight too.
3) Hit the gym. work out MWF, cardio TuTh.
4) Start eating RIGHT.

Still working on getting my abs, but you gotta keep at it.
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: Amol
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: Amol
Originally posted by: Shadowknight
If you plan on building up your abs, make sure you also work out your back to prevent muscular imbalance.

What exercises/machines would you do for that?

No machines are needed... just use dumbells/barbells. Do deadlifts, yates rows, wide-grip pullups and dips.

Already do those, guess I'm good :)

Don't discount the value of deadlifts. They hit your core muscles like no other. Wide grip pullups and dips are certainly good lifts but they are not even close to a substitute for deadlifts.

 

Special K

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
You wan't it fast? You can get it in roughly 1 week.

1) Do 8 minute abs at least 5 times a day (see Youtube), and in addition to that do a bunch of crunches on your own.
2) Juice fast. It worked for me. I dropped a belt size in 3 freaking days. Hell, you lost a buttload of weight too.
3) Hit the gym. work out MWF, cardio TuTh.
4) Start eating RIGHT.

Still working on getting my abs, but you gotta keep at it.

I hope 1-2 (especiallly 1) is a joke.