GAH! Learn how to shift evo/sti drivers

[spidey07]

1st gear - wahhhhh, sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipppppppppp, wahhhhh
2nd gear - sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipppppppppppppppppppp, wahhhh

And this is normal driving, not really getting on it.

You've heard it. There's like 3 seconds or more of the clutch slipping when they go into 2nd. I can understand if you're trying to shift smoothly but if so, let the RPMs drop a little until you can just dump the clutch with no slipping at all. Riced out civics are notorious for this as well.

If you're really getting on it even they you don't have too slip much. Just keep the RPMs where they need to be for minimal slippage.

 

[SpeedEng66]

I dont say anything to my friends
I let them continue how they drive

thats how I make my side $$ heh clutch jobs

one customer I installed a stage 4 clutch on his si

whhhhhhhhhhhaaaa clunk!!! oowwhhhhaaaaaaaaaa

hehe I will see him for mounts next month lol

 

[ViviTheMage]

hahaha, poor clutches.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hahaha, poor clutches.

Don't tell me you haven't heard it.

bwahhhhh...mmmmmmmmmwwwwaaaaahhhhdooooooommmmmmwhaaaaa.

Learn how to shift. it shoud sound like this...

bbwahhhhhh.......bwahhhhhhh...bwahhhhh..bwahhhh

Yep, the dots are meant to mean time.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Yep, the dots are meant to mean time.

I don't know why, but I lol'd at this.

 

[zerocool84]

some people are not that good at driving manual transmission. they will learn but until then just let them wear out their clutches, who cares

 

[b3av3r]

also the transmission is the huge weak link in the sti car. Any amount of boost/power and the tranny begins having problems, so maybe its more a weak component than a bad driver. Though I imagine some of it is a bad driver.

 

[alimoalem]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
some people are not that good at driving manual transmission. they will learn but until then just let them wear out their clutches, who cares

we don't have many evo's/sti's in my area so i can't say i've seen what you're talking about specific to drivers of these two cars but i have seen this happen with other cars quite often.

that being said, anyone that buys either of these two cars i would expect knows how to drive stick beyond a novice level. when i had just learned to drive stick a few years back i drove an sti a couple months after learning it and had no problems at all. but the two people that taught me taught me right. i think the issue here is (of course, i'm just speculating) that it's a mix of two problems: 1. boy racer gets a new car and wants to show the car is clearly manual transmission and 2. they never learned how to drive right.

either way, i do feel bad for the cars in the end

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: b3av3r
also the transmission is the huge weak link in the sti car. Any amount of boost/power and the tranny begins having problems, so maybe its more a weak component than a bad driver. Though I imagine some of it is a bad driver.

Two points here; firstly a 'weak' tranny it is not. The previous 5 speed was 'only' good for ~350ft lb or so of tq, but the 6 speed in the STi is much stronger. Secondly, a 'weak' tranny has nothing to do with how a driver shifts. If you slip the clutch, the key word is YOU.

 

[Blackjack200]

This thread is making me think that I'm shifting wrong. Of course, in normal driving I just try to match the engine speed to the wheel speed depending on the gear I'm shifting into. But when I'm trying to beat someone off the line I take it close to the red line and then clutch in, shift as fast as I can, and clutch out, and I make the clutch/flywheel eat the difference (isn't that what it's there for anyway?)

Good? Bad?

 

[Dman877]

Sounds like someone driving a civic is jealous.

 

[alimoalem]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200
This thread is making me think that I'm shifting wrong. Of course, in normal driving I just try to match the engine speed to the wheel speed depending on the gear I'm shifting into. But when I'm trying to beat someone off the line I take it close to the red line and then clutch in, shift as fast as I can, and clutch out, and I make the clutch/flywheel eat the difference (isn't that what it's there for anyway?)

Good? Bad?

i only have one hand available 2 type w/atm. that said, racers don't do everything by thebook.

 

[Zenmervolt]

To the OP: You're aware that the engine management on almost all modern engines prevents the revs from dropping quickly, right? These aren't like carbureted cars where the engine would spin down to idle very quickly. Most new cars will take a couple seconds to spin down because the ECU does not allow the throttle plate to snap shut (this is done to prevent a spike in HC emissions).

That may be all you're hearing.

ZV

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
To the OP: You're aware that the engine management on almost all modern engines prevents the revs from dropping quickly, right? These aren't like carbureted cars where the engine would spin down to idle very quickly. Most new cars will take a couple seconds to spin down because the ECU does not allow the throttle plate to snap shut (this is done to prevent a spike in HC emissions).

That may be all you're hearing.

ZV

nah, the motor is definately loaded. They're just slipping the clutch for 3-4 seconds.

 

[b3av3r]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: b3av3r
also the transmission is the huge weak link in the sti car. Any amount of boost/power and the tranny begins having problems, so maybe its more a weak component than a bad driver. Though I imagine some of it is a bad driver.

Two points here; firstly a 'weak' tranny it is not. The previous 5 speed was 'only' good for ~350ft lb or so of tq, but the 6 speed in the STi is much stronger. Secondly, a 'weak' tranny has nothing to do with how a driver shifts. If you slip the clutch, the key word is YOU.

I admit I am not an expert with either of these cars, but the few local sti guys I knew all had problems with their transmissions mainly due to launching hard and the transmission not being able to handle the launch.

All I was saying was if the tranny or the clutch were shot (or close to it) it can make driving a standard much more difficult and this could be some of the problem.

 

[thirdeye]

You'd probably cry if you heard me driving then. My Exedy twin disc makes it sound like I'm grinding every single gear.

 

[DougK62]

A local kid with a WRX tried to tell me that the Subaru clutches just "wear out" after about 40k miles and need to be replaced. He wouldn't hear anything about it just being that he doesn't know how to work a manual transmission. Of course, they never believe that my car with more than 120k miles on it is on the original clutch. Impossible! lol

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: DougK62
A local kid with a WRX tried to tell me that the Subaru clutches just "wear out" after about 40k miles and need to be replaced. He wouldn't hear anything about it just being that he doesn't know how to work a manual transmission. Of course, they never believe that my car with more than 120k miles on it is on the original clutch. Impossible! lol

Heh. We put 250k on a 4 cylinder Ranger on the original clutch. It was a finicky SOB even new, but it outlasted the truck

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: DougK62
A local kid with a WRX tried to tell me that the Subaru clutches just "wear out" after about 40k miles and need to be replaced. He wouldn't hear anything about it just being that he doesn't know how to work a manual transmission. Of course, they never believe that my car with more than 120k miles on it is on the original clutch. Impossible! lol

I replaced my clutch at 50k, but I blame myself as it's the first manual transmission vehicle I ever owned. I expect the current one to last atleast twice as long. As far as major things that are going to go bad, I suspect my transmission will be the first for the same reason.

<-- still remembers the days of noob, I probably made mechanics cry. (I stalled a diesel at an intersection)

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hahaha, poor clutches.

Don't tell me you haven't heard it.

bwahhhhh...mmmmmmmmmwwwwaaaaahhhhdooooooommmmmmwhaaaaa.

Learn how to shift. it shoud sound like this...

bbwahhhhhh.......bwahhhhhhh...bwahhhhh..bwahhhh

Yep, the dots are meant to mean time.

In that case mine goes something like:

screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebwaAHHHHHHHH.squeeelllchirpwwaaaaaAAAHHHH.chirpbwaaaaaaaaah.

I enjoy making my manual cars sound like an automatic and when driving in gas saving mode I can take off from a light and be in 4th by the time I cross the opposite crosswalk line.

I do slip the clutch a little bit when just casually driving, at least until I get my rear end rebuilt again and get rid of all the rubber bushings in the rear end so things aren't so loose and clunky back there.

But when I drive the Camry after extended time with the Cobra it tends to sound like what you describe. My clutch foot just feels so heavy and just will NOT let up on the Camry clutch because it's used to the Herculean effort required for the Cobra.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
<-- still remembers the days of noob, I probably made mechanics cry. (I stalled a diesel at an intersection)

Wow, that must have taken some doing! Was it on an uphill, at least?

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
<-- still remembers the days of noob, I probably made mechanics cry. (I stalled a diesel at an intersection)

Wow, that must have taken some doing! Was it on an uphill, at least?

Yeah, exiting a shopping center where I needed to make a sharp right.

 

[Vic]

Clearly driver error. I always find it comical to see some punk who put a loud exhaust on his car when he clearly can't drive stick properly. I'd be embarrassed if it were me.

There's no reason to slip the clutch in a WRX, STI, or EVO for regular daily driving. It's not like they're low on power. Any of them can do a normal start off from just a blip above idle. For spirited driving, you might do just a split second slip in order to cushion for a high rpm launch, but that's it.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
<-- still remembers the days of noob, I probably made mechanics cry. (I stalled a diesel at an intersection)

Wow, that must have taken some doing! Was it on an uphill, at least?

Yeah, exiting a shopping center where I needed to make a sharp right.

Meh. Stalling really doesn't wear anything. There's no much slip from stalling. A little stress on the engine from the sudden stop, but nothing to write home about.

ZV

 

[nweaver]

I passed my driving test the day I turned 16 in a stick that I had never driven in before. It's sick that folks can't figure a manual out, it's really not that hard. Having a good teacher is part of it, but also common sense, and maybe a small grasp of how a clutch works would help maybe? I never creep near a car on a hill, out of fear they are driving a manual and are going to lose 10 feet before they start moving again.