GAH! Learn how to shift evo/sti drivers

[Demo24]

Originally posted by: b3av3r

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: b3av3r
also the transmission is the huge weak link in the sti car. Any amount of boost/power and the tranny begins having problems, so maybe its more a weak component than a bad driver. Though I imagine some of it is a bad driver.

Two points here; firstly a 'weak' tranny it is not. The previous 5 speed was 'only' good for ~350ft lb or so of tq, but the 6 speed in the STi is much stronger. Secondly, a 'weak' tranny has nothing to do with how a driver shifts. If you slip the clutch, the key word is YOU.

I admit I am not an expert with either of these cars, but the few local sti guys I knew all had problems with their transmissions mainly due to launching hard and the transmission not being able to handle the launch.

All I was saying was if the tranny or the clutch were shot (or close to it) it can make driving a standard much more difficult and this could be some of the problem.

sorry but if they had issues with an STI 6spd transmission then they were doing some crazy stuff to that car! That is a very strong transmission, and I have actually never heard of one breaking. Usually the clutch will go out if you abuse it, but the weakest part is the axles.

Originally posted by: Vic
Clearly driver error. I always find it comical to see some punk who put a loud exhaust on his car when he clearly can't drive stick properly. I'd be embarrassed if it were me.

There's no reason to slip the clutch in a WRX, STI, or EVO for regular daily driving. It's not like they're low on power. Any of them can do a normal start off from just a blip above idle. For spirited driving, you might do just a split second slip in order to cushion for a high rpm launch, but that's it.

Actually the wrx is pretty torque less below boosting levels. You can get it going with out throttle on flat patches of ground, but it can be tricky. Hills are the worse, especially with passengers.


On mine I usually only slip first and thats to get it going reasonably well. I take my time on second but I don't slip it unless I'm in the dead spot of these gears which is when its too fast to get into first(wont physically go in) but a bit slow for second.

 

[alkemyst]

we have a lot of them around here in south florida, can't say I have really 'heard' any of the drivers shift like that. You having witnessed many is strangely odd. How do you hear them so well anyway? Did you elect the no radio option in your Swift?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
we have a lot of them around here in south florida, can't say I have really 'heard' any of the drivers shift like that. You having witnessed many is strangely odd. How do you hear them so well anyway? Did you elect the no radio option in your Swift?

Nope. I'm out in Los Angeles and get to hear the STIs/Evos with young kids in them that can't drive.

bwaahhh.....whaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmboooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (ok I'm in second gear now) mmmmmmmm (still slipping) awoooowahhhhhhhh (ok, I'm in gear now and clutch is out).

 

[b3av3r]

Originally posted by: DEMO24

sorry but if they had issues with an STI 6spd transmission then they were doing some crazy stuff to that car! That is a very strong transmission, and I have actually never heard of one breaking. Usually the clutch will go out if you abuse it, but the weakest part is the axles.

I am not sure what transmission they had in their cars, it was a couple years back. Also these were cars that were raced so dropping the clutch at high RPMs was probably common for them.

Maybe they just meant clutch? However, I always heard the word transmission thrown around.

 

[paulxcook]

Sorry to be a noob, but what exactly is transmission "slip"? I can drive a stick, though I'm not that great with it since I don't drive one every day. The attempts in this thread to write out the "sound" of it aren't doing it for me.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Sorry to be a noob, but what exactly is transmission "slip"? I can drive a stick, though I'm not that great with it since I don't drive one every day. The attempts in this thread to write out the "sound" of it aren't doing it for me.

Transmission slip as oppose to slipping the clutch when it is partially engage probably refers to torque converters or clutch packs in automatics or LSDs or AWD transfer cases.

Basically any part of the drive train that temporarily loses rigid coupling with the engine such that engine RPM and vehicle acceleration are not proportional, but still enough friction that there is some motion transfer (and a lot of heat and damage from sliding friction vs. no heat from static friction when the two parts move at the same rate)

Also results from 'riding the clutch' pedal and making a new clutch last only 30k miles

Either doing it on purpose to a manual clutch by being abusive like high RPM clutch dumps and launching, lots of partial clutch engagements or slippage to negotiate steep slopes at very low speeds, etc. Or slippage that occurs automatically in the differential or AWD transfer unit as a result of constant application of uneven loads (i.e.: lots of turning at high speeds or difference in traction between wheels). Many of the cars in question here (Evo, STI, etc) have many of these components integrated into the transmission housing.

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Sorry to be a noob, but what exactly is transmission "slip"? I can drive a stick, though I'm not that great with it since I don't drive one every day. The attempts in this thread to write out the "sound" of it aren't doing it for me.

Transmission slip as oppose to slipping the clutch when it is partially engage probably refers to torque converters or clutch packs in automatics or LSDs or AWD transfer cases.

Basically any part of the drive train that temporarily loses rigid coupling with the engine such that engine RPM and vehicle acceleration are not proportional, but still enough friction that there is some motion transfer (and a lot of heat and damage from sliding friction vs. no heat from static friction when the two parts move at the same rate)

Also results from 'riding the clutch' pedal and making a new clutch last only 30k miles

Either doing it on purpose to a manual clutch by being abusive like high RPM clutch dumps and launching, lots of partial clutch engagements or slippage to negotiate steep slopes at very low speeds, etc. Or slippage that occurs automatically in the differential or AWD transfer unit as a result of constant application of uneven loads (i.e.: lots of turning at high speeds or difference in traction between wheels). Many of the cars in question here (Evo, STI, etc) have many of these components integrated into the transmission housing.

Crap, yeah, I meant clutch slip. See? Noobie, right here. Anyway, I think you still explained it, though. In very basic terms it's partially engaging the clutch while driving, yes? My dad wouldn't let me put my foot anywhere near the clutch pedal unless I was actually shifting gears, so I never developed that bad habit.

 

[Canai]

edit: found the answer

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Canai
OK, I can drive stick, but not very well, and my current car is an auto, but anyway, noob question: What do you mean by slipping the clutch?

The time spend between fully engaged and fully disengaged.

 

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