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g92 (512MB/1024MB) "8800 GTS" Specs and Pics

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If the next card from nVidia is dual chip solution as some of the rumors make you believe, I think G92 GT/GTS is the way to go before new SINGLE chip solution is out.
 
Quite frankly, is the new 8800 GTS even going to be worth it? I mean until the R700 and the GeForce 9x00 series come out I would say that the 8800 GT and Radeon 3870 are going to be good enough to handle everything--including Crysis. Ok, if you want to run higher resolutions you'll probably want Crossfire/SLI but yeah... I don't see any reason to buy the G92 8800 GTS in light of the price and performance of the 3870 and 8800 GT.
 
I dunno man, only in Crysis the 8800gt really loses out against a 8800gtx at higher resolutions with AA. It's quite possible that factory oc-ed 8800gts 512mb will match or exceed GTX speeds in a lot of games. And for a lot less money to boot.
 
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I dunno man, only in Crysis the 8800gt really loses out against a 8800gtx at higher resolutions with AA. It's quite possible that factory oc-ed 8800gts 512mb will match or exceed GTX speeds in a lot of games. And for a lot less money to boot.
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More pixel/texel processing power will not help in many cases such as the memory bandwith limitations..
No matter how good the optimizations are in the Z-culling and the bus interface, it still has a 256bit bus and 512mb ram and lower Z-fillrate compared to stock 8800GTX/ultra..

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...erformance/default.asp

look the benches especially @1600x1200 and up with filters enabled ..They also test an O/Ced GT@660/1650/1900, and you don't have a change to look at playable 2560x1600 were the GT is castrated by the G80 high end

G92 GT/GTS are great cards that in lower that UXGA resolutions or even greater w/o filters will perform equally or even better that the GTX/Ultra in many cases.. They are great cards in the market they are meant to compete. The mainstream market.

But we do have to understand that noone purchases a high end card for mainstream resolutions or high end w/o filters.
In the high end department the GTX/Ultra still have the performance crown despite the fact that they are previous generation.

And of course a guy that already has a 8800GTX/Ultra for a long time now, and has high end expectations will have to wait for the G92 high end to upgrade.
 
Originally posted by: Mana
Quite frankly, is the new 8800 GTS even going to be worth it? I mean until the R700 and the GeForce 9x00 series come out I would say that the 8800 GT and Radeon 3870 are going to be good enough to handle everything--including Crysis. Ok, if you want to run higher resolutions you'll probably want Crossfire/SLI but yeah... I don't see any reason to buy the G92 8800 GTS in light of the price and performance of the 3870 and 8800 GT.
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It'll be worth it if it brings GT pricing back in line. At $250-$275 the GT is correctly positioned. At $325-$375 a GTS will be correctly positioned, given it's ten percent faster and ships with a dual slot cooler.

As we've seen, price gouging quickly changes the price to performance ratio however. But I don't think we'll see it with the GTS. If pricing shoots above $375, we can choose the GT and call it a day. Worse for nVidia, we can spend extra coin and go 3870CF.

Proper product positioning is needed to maximize market share. nVidia hasn't had to worry about that for some time. But they know about market share. I think as the GTS lanches, it and the GT need to be properly positioned, and I'm "assuming" nVidia knows that.

We'll see what happens..
 
More info which seems to contradict some earlier info...I don't necessarily believe this but here it is anyway. The last I heard, it's ~ Dec 15th release.

NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS

* There will be a refresh of the NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB.
* However, it won't be based on the G92, but an improved version of the G80 GPU.
* The new NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS will have a soft launch on December 3, 2007 with market availability only two weeks later, from December 17 onwards.


NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT

* Supply issues with the GeForce 8800 GT cards (and their inflated prices) will end by early December.
* The 256MB GeForce 8800 GT actually had a soft launch two weeks ago, but the first cards will only be available by the end of this month, or early December.


NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX & Ultra

* There won't be any refresh of these two models, at least not in 2007.
* One of their built-in feature will differentiate them from the other models when the new NVIDIA chipsets are launched. This will keep them desirable, at least to enthusiasts with deep pockets.
* The G80 variant used in the NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra is known internally as the G80+.
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SOURCE
 
That's old info and it is incorrect as new G80 8800GTS with 112sp's is already in stores. Furthermore we've already seen shots of new G92 GTS, just look at the op.
 
Originally posted by: SteelSix
...As we've seen, low supply quickly changes the price to performance ratio however...
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Fixed.

Items have no intrinsic value. The less there are of an item, the more people will pay to get it. If 8800 GT's floated down from the sky in millions of boxes every night, an 8800 GT would be worth less than a loaf of bread; conversely, if a total of only 5 cards at that performance level were made in a year, the price per card would be up over $10,000. So the notion of a fixed price that just happens to equal whatever a particular company chose for its MSRP is pure fantasy!

The term "price gouging" refers to goods and services that are necessities. A valid example of price gouging is selling drinking water at $30 per gallon when you have the only source of drinking water in the area. Why? People need water to survive. An invalid example of price gouging is selling a particular video card at a slightly higher price than some rather vocal people on Internet forums are willing to pay.

People here tend to assume that the whole world revolves around gaming...

To be perfectly clear, video cards designed only for mid/high end gaming are luxury items (i.e. entertainment value). You have no "right" to a "fair" price because there can be no objective notion of a "fair" price for a luxury item. If these cards were only being sold at $9,999, you would buy a game console, read a book, play sports, or whatever else you happen to find entertaining. You have alternatives for entertainment.

If you would blame NewEgg for selling things significantly over MSRP because they can get away with it, must you not also blame NewEgg customers for buying items significantly under MSRP because they can get away with it? Are such consumers not "cheating" the company of a "fair" price for those items? Why not berate the people in the Hot Deals forum?

If you wish to assign a term with negative connotation to raising the price above MSRP in response to supply and demand, what term will you use to assign a positive connotation when prices are lowered below MSRP in response to supply and demand? Price philanthropy? Price restoring?

The only way to continue using a negative term like "price gouging" in this situation and not use a corresponding positive term "price restoring" in the opposite situation is to develop some means of holding a grudge against companies in general -- e.g. We have to get all we can because companies are out to cheat us! -- but then the argument just descends in an "us vs. them" argument. In this case, the moral high ground is lost...because the discussion is just an issue of one group (consumers) versus another (companies).

This isn't intended as an attack on you; I only want to attack the idea behind the term "price gouging."

Who happens to be using the term is irrelevant...
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: taltamir
with 1GB of ram it might be faster then an ultra... actually it will PROBABLY be faster then an ultra... it will DEFINATELY be faster if you put it in a PCIE2 board where it gets double the bandwidth, taking away the ultra one advantage (bigger memory bandwidth)
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PCIE1 is nowhere near saturated. How will a PCIE2 board make a difference? What bandwidth is doubled? PCIE2 may have it's advantages, but making boards faster is not one of them.
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Yes, it is not saturated... the ultras are getting faster speeds then the GT though. And those can be attributed to either the extra ram or the extra ram bandwidth... or maybe their clock...

The new 1GB GTS has more ram, more ram bandwidth, and more clock speed, and a more efficient processor... so it beats the ultra on EVERYTHING and should thus be faster. For 300-350MSRP... ofcourse, that might get jacked up...
 
Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I think it will be faster then an ultra, it's pretty simple if you ask me, the memory bandwith bus might smaller, but in the end due to higher speeds the bandwith will still be the same or even more. Besides, the 8800GT is showing that even with the 256bit interface it's still faster then the old 8800gts.
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Doesn't the Ultra already have insane memory speeds, say ~2160, not counting o/c?
How can 320-bit x 1950 MHz overcome the bandwidth of a 384-bit x 2160 MHz board?

EDIT: completely forgot about the odd memory bus width on these cards! 😱

This new GTS is a refresh part that will beat the old GTS on features and performance.

IMO, SLi/CF-on-a-card products will be the new "high end" in the near future -- there's no point in introducing such multi-GPU solutions if a new single-GPU GTX/Ultra-killer is on the horizon because in that case few people would bother with the SLi/CF-on-a-card products.
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It's not even 320bit. Read carefully. It's 256bit memory bus.
 
Originally posted by: Denithor
2900XT: (1650MHz)(512-bit/8) = 105.6GB/s
G80 8800 Ultra: (2160MHz)(384-bit/8) = 103.7GB/s
G80 8800 GTS: (1600MHz)(320-bit/8) = 64.0GB/s
G92 8800 GTS: (1940MHz)(256-bit/8) = 62.1GB/s
G92 8800 GT: (1800MHz)(256-bit/8) = 57.6GB/s

So the new GTS at stock speed will have even less bandwidth than the G80 GTS. However, as shown by the 2900XT, extremely high bandwidth is not critical to great performance. It is also worth noting that the 8800GT with 10% less bandwidth than the G80 GTS still manages to get the upper hand in most games (the only place where it comes up short is due to limited VRAM, not bandwidth, because it beats the GTS-320 in every case).

Keep in mind these cards are being launched as the new "mid-level" cards. I expect within the next several months we will see the next generation "high-end" cards launched with significantly higher bandwidth (purely my opinion).
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2900xt couldn't even utilize it's memory architecture. It was a big waste as shown with 3870.

Cards like the GT, or the new GTS can surely use all the memory bandwidth it can give.

New GTS will not beat a gtx. 16SP shaders over GT is not going to beat a GTX. A overclocked GT at those clocks still can't beat a GTX so it won't beat it.
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: taltamir
with 1GB of ram it might be faster then an ultra... actually it will PROBABLY be faster then an ultra... it will DEFINATELY be faster if you put it in a PCIE2 board where it gets double the bandwidth, taking away the ultra one advantage (bigger memory bandwidth)
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PCIE1 is nowhere near saturated. How will a PCIE2 board make a difference? What bandwidth is doubled? PCIE2 may have it's advantages, but making boards faster is not one of them.
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Yes, it is not saturated... the ultras are getting faster speeds then the GT though. And those can be attributed to either the extra ram or the extra ram bandwidth... or maybe their clock...

The new 1GB GTS has more ram, more ram bandwidth, and more clock speed, and a more efficient processor... so it beats the ultra on EVERYTHING and should thus be faster. For 300-350MSRP... ofcourse, that might get jacked up...
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The bandwidth of the pci-e interface has nothing to do with video memory bandwidth. The pci-e interface is only used to pass data between the gpu and the cpu or the main system memory, and is nowhere as critical to performance as the interface between the gpu and the local video memory. With the 384-bit bus, the ultra has a big bandwidth advantage over the new gts if the latter uses a 256-bit interface.
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
The new 1GB GTS has more ram, more ram bandwidth, and more clock speed, and a more efficient processor... so it beats the ultra on EVERYTHING and should thus be faster. For 300-350MSRP... ofcourse, that might get jacked up...
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how'd you figure more bandwidth?

New GTS:- 1940MHz @ 256 bit = 60.625GB/sec

Stock Ultra:- 2160MHz @ 384 bit = 101.25GB/sec

last time I checked, 101 > 60..
 
Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Originally posted by: SteelSix
...As we've seen, low supply quickly changes the price to performance ratio however...
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Fixed.

Items have no intrinsic value. The less there are of an item, the more people will pay to get it. If 8800 GT's floated down from the sky in millions of boxes every night, an 8800 GT would be worth less than a loaf of bread; conversely, if a total of only 5 cards at that performance level were made in a year, the price per card would be up over $10,000. So the notion of a fixed price that just happens to equal whatever a particular company chose for its MSRP is pure fantasy!

The term "price gouging" refers to goods and services that are necessities. A valid example of price gouging is selling drinking water at $30 per gallon when you have the only source of drinking water in the area. Why? People need water to survive. An invalid example of price gouging is selling a particular video card at a slightly higher price than some rather vocal people on Internet forums are willing to pay.

People here tend to assume that the whole world revolves around gaming...

To be perfectly clear, video cards designed only for mid/high end gaming are luxury items (i.e. entertainment value). You have no "right" to a "fair" price because there can be no objective notion of a "fair" price for a luxury item. If these cards were only being sold at $9,999, you would buy a game console, read a book, play sports, or whatever else you happen to find entertaining. You have alternatives for entertainment.

If you would blame NewEgg for selling things significantly over MSRP because they can get away with it, must you not also blame NewEgg customers for buying items significantly under MSRP because they can get away with it? Are such consumers not "cheating" the company of a "fair" price for those items? Why not berate the people in the Hot Deals forum?

If you wish to assign a term with negative connotation to raising the price above MSRP in response to supply and demand, what term will you use to assign a positive connotation when prices are lowered below MSRP in response to supply and demand? Price philanthropy? Price restoring?

The only way to continue using a negative term like "price gouging" in this situation and not use a corresponding positive term "price restoring" in the opposite situation is to develop some means of holding a grudge against companies in general -- e.g. We have to get all we can because companies are out to cheat us! -- but then the argument just descends in an "us vs. them" argument. In this case, the moral high ground is lost...because the discussion is just an issue of one group (consumers) versus another (companies).

This isn't intended as an attack on you; I only want to attack the idea behind the term "price gouging."

Who happens to be using the term is irrelevant...
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excellent post my friend :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: cambit69
Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Originally posted by: SteelSix
...As we've seen, low supply quickly changes the price to performance ratio however...
Click to expand...
Fixed.

Items have no intrinsic value. The less there are of an item, the more people will pay to get it. If 8800 GT's floated down from the sky in millions of boxes every night, an 8800 GT would be worth less than a loaf of bread; conversely, if a total of only 5 cards at that performance level were made in a year, the price per card would be up over $10,000. So the notion of a fixed price that just happens to equal whatever a particular company chose for its MSRP is pure fantasy!

The term "price gouging" refers to goods and services that are necessities. A valid example of price gouging is selling drinking water at $30 per gallon when you have the only source of drinking water in the area. Why? People need water to survive. An invalid example of price gouging is selling a particular video card at a slightly higher price than some rather vocal people on Internet forums are willing to pay.

People here tend to assume that the whole world revolves around gaming...

To be perfectly clear, video cards designed only for mid/high end gaming are luxury items (i.e. entertainment value). You have no "right" to a "fair" price because there can be no objective notion of a "fair" price for a luxury item. If these cards were only being sold at $9,999, you would buy a game console, read a book, play sports, or whatever else you happen to find entertaining. You have alternatives for entertainment.

If you would blame NewEgg for selling things significantly over MSRP because they can get away with it, must you not also blame NewEgg customers for buying items significantly under MSRP because they can get away with it? Are such consumers not "cheating" the company of a "fair" price for those items? Why not berate the people in the Hot Deals forum?

If you wish to assign a term with negative connotation to raising the price above MSRP in response to supply and demand, what term will you use to assign a positive connotation when prices are lowered below MSRP in response to supply and demand? Price philanthropy? Price restoring?

The only way to continue using a negative term like "price gouging" in this situation and not use a corresponding positive term "price restoring" in the opposite situation is to develop some means of holding a grudge against companies in general -- e.g. We have to get all we can because companies are out to cheat us! -- but then the argument just descends in an "us vs. them" argument. In this case, the moral high ground is lost...because the discussion is just an issue of one group (consumers) versus another (companies).

This isn't intended as an attack on you; I only want to attack the idea behind the term "price gouging."

Who happens to be using the term is irrelevant...
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excellent post my friend :thumbsup:
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Yes, except price gouging DOES apply to all items not just necessities. However, in this instance, it's not price gouging, it's supply and demand. If Newegg etc charges more because of high demand and the willingness of people to pay it, good for them. It's called free enterprise people. The extra money they make on these may allow them to sell other products for less. If you don't like, don't buy 'em.
 
More rumor mill...

http://en.expreview.com/?p=51

There?s lots of info about G92-8800GTS, and we would like review it again: it will out in 11 Dec, have 128 SP, using 8800GT?s PCB design, and have a upgraded dual slot cooler. The frequency will be 650/1625/1940MHz(core/shader/memory), higher than refrence 8800GT.

Though source mention that G92-8800GTS will use two 6pin power connector, but the product looks only have one. the total power consumption will be as much as 140W. manufacturer suggest using a juicy ATX PSU.

There?s some pics leaked earlier, but the pic is too mall, and under that cooler actually is a naked 8800GT with changed different baffle plate. And also the power module is different.
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Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Originally posted by: SteelSix
...As we've seen, low supply quickly changes the price to performance ratio however...
Click to expand...
Fixed.

Items have no intrinsic value. The less there are of an item, the more people will pay to get it. If 8800 GT's floated down from the sky in millions of boxes every night, an 8800 GT would be worth less than a loaf of bread; conversely, if a total of only 5 cards at that performance level were made in a year, the price per card would be up over $10,000. So the notion of a fixed price that just happens to equal whatever a particular company chose for its MSRP is pure fantasy!

The term "price gouging" refers to goods and services that are necessities. A valid example of price gouging is selling drinking water at $30 per gallon when you have the only source of drinking water in the area. Why? People need water to survive. An invalid example of price gouging is selling a particular video card at a slightly higher price than some rather vocal people on Internet forums are willing to pay.

People here tend to assume that the whole world revolves around gaming...

To be perfectly clear, video cards designed only for mid/high end gaming are luxury items (i.e. entertainment value). You have no "right" to a "fair" price because there can be no objective notion of a "fair" price for a luxury item. If these cards were only being sold at $9,999, you would buy a game console, read a book, play sports, or whatever else you happen to find entertaining. You have alternatives for entertainment.

If you would blame NewEgg for selling things significantly over MSRP because they can get away with it, must you not also blame NewEgg customers for buying items significantly under MSRP because they can get away with it? Are such consumers not "cheating" the company of a "fair" price for those items? Why not berate the people in the Hot Deals forum?

If you wish to assign a term with negative connotation to raising the price above MSRP in response to supply and demand, what term will you use to assign a positive connotation when prices are lowered below MSRP in response to supply and demand? Price philanthropy? Price restoring?

The only way to continue using a negative term like "price gouging" in this situation and not use a corresponding positive term "price restoring" in the opposite situation is to develop some means of holding a grudge against companies in general -- e.g. We have to get all we can because companies are out to cheat us! -- but then the argument just descends in an "us vs. them" argument. In this case, the moral high ground is lost...because the discussion is just an issue of one group (consumers) versus another (companies).

This isn't intended as an attack on you; I only want to attack the idea behind the term "price gouging."

Who happens to be using the term is irrelevant...
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Well articulated. From here out, I will not use the term "gouging" when speaking of sudden price increases on high end graphics cards and processors.

Somthing to think about however, we typically don't see price increases on components or consumer electronics. Pricing goes down, spare fluctuations in memory pricing.

Call it what you will. But don't bend over. It's sneaking up behind you.. :Q
 
Originally posted by: Sheninat0r
I've seen these pictures before... as in MONTHS ago. Smells like fake to me.

Also, only one SLi bridge?
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Only one SLI bridge b/c nVIDIA wants to keep Tri-SLI to the GTX models only. And you've probably seen similar pics months ago but those are pretty genuine. The launch is next week.

Originally posted by: SteelSix
If December 3rd is a hard launch, product should be shipping. And if that's the case, we should see leaked benchies this week.
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Don't you mean paper launch? It's supposed to be in fewer quantities than the GT was at launch. LOL. What is up with all of these paper launches?
 
Originally posted by: PCTC2
Originally posted by: Sheninat0r
I've seen these pictures before... as in MONTHS ago. Smells like fake to me.

Also, only one SLi bridge?
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Only one SLI bridge b/c nVIDIA wants to keep Tri-SLI to the GTX models only. And you've probably seen similar pics months ago but those are pretty genuine. The launch is next week.

Originally posted by: SteelSix
If December 3rd is a hard launch, product should be shipping. And if that's the case, we should see leaked benchies this week.
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Don't you mean paper launch? It's supposed to be in fewer quantities than the GT was at launch. LOL. What is up with all of these paper launches?
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Link please?

 
Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Originally posted by: Rusin
Originally posted by: Griswold
Originally posted by: darkxknight
if its faster than a ultra, then i might hold off on the 3870 and get this bad boy.
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Its pretty safe to say it wont be faster than a Ultra if you love high resolutions and lots of AA/AF - if the statement about the 256bit interface holds true.
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Well.. memorybandwith doesn't hold down 8800 GT. It's biggest draw back is it's 512MB vram amount.
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Sure it does. Linky (yea yea, i know it's Tom's.. so sue me). Check out the Crysis numbers, the GTX delivers an absolute bitch-slapping at 16x12 w/AA.
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bitch-slapping meaning 6.5FPS (slideshow) vs. 18FPS (still a slideshow). Both are completely unplayable at that resolution with 4xAA.
 
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