G84 and G86 would be consumers.

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


They are sometimes correct.

"Even a blind pig occasionally finds a truffle."

 

[apoppin]

actually theInq isn't backing down

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38719

The 2D mode is still set to return for mobile G84/86 parts, GeForce Go 8600 and Go 8500. Whether there is a problem with 2D Mode and it was disabled in the first rev desktop part, or if there is a real problem in the first batch of chips is largely irrelvant.

But there will certainly be a second batch of chips that will feature 2D and 3D mixed mode, as our own Charlie wrote in his article.

Both the G84 and G86 chips will come in a second rev and these will be oriented towards notebooks, as is usual.

Will those parts see the light of the day as desktop parts? If history has taught us anything (the 7950GX2 is one example of using mobile chips in desktop cards), again, yes.

Bear in mind that it is insanely expensive to develop and produce two different chips that are almost identical, and that graphics chips of today serve as both consumer and professional parts (for example: GeForce and Quadro).

The second rev is usually shipped as both desktop, professional and mobile parts (for example, GeForce, GeForce Go, Quadro). Chips hand-picked from the middle of wafer are sold either as mobile or overclocking parts to notebook vendors or premium card manufacturers.

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: apoppin
actually theInq isn't backing down

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38719

The 2D mode is still set to return for mobile G84/86 parts, GeForce Go 8600 and Go 8500. Whether there is a problem with 2D Mode and it was disabled in the first rev desktop part, or if there is a real problem in the first batch of chips is largely irrelvant.

But there will certainly be a second batch of chips that will feature 2D and 3D mixed mode, as our own Charlie wrote in his article.

Both the G84 and G86 chips will come in a second rev and these will be oriented towards notebooks, as is usual.

Will those parts see the light of the day as desktop parts? If history has taught us anything (the 7950GX2 is one example of using mobile chips in desktop cards), again, yes.

Bear in mind that it is insanely expensive to develop and produce two different chips that are almost identical, and that graphics chips of today serve as both consumer and professional parts (for example: GeForce and Quadro).

The second rev is usually shipped as both desktop, professional and mobile parts (for example, GeForce, GeForce Go, Quadro). Chips hand-picked from the middle of wafer are sold either as mobile or overclocking parts to notebook vendors or premium card manufacturers.

How are they not "backing down" in the rational sense? They just said that the controversey the Inq. created over this was largely irrelevant.

[rant]
On the other hand, if you expect press people to "back down" in the emotional sense of apologizing for the mistake and trying to correct it, that's just not going to happen regardless of whether they were right or wrong. For the press, apology is suicide.

People in the media are paid to shoot their mouths off, which sells ad products, not to say "nothing to see here, move along now," which sells nothing. Fabricated melodrama hits the front pages while the letters to the editor and such are just given lip service, conveniently nestled in money-making ads.

When was the last time you watched the news hour and did not see the anchors oozing melodrama over each and every news story? These people are news hawkers--they're paid to make the stuff sound appealing. The idea of a free press being responsible and always seeking out the truth regardless of personal danger is mostly urban myth.

The only way for society to get the benefit of a free press (i.e. accurate information) is that, when we get enough of these knuckleheads together, they start cannibalizing each other's organizations, allowing the truth to come tumbling out of the closet (bound and gagged) during the ensuing melee.
[/rant]

 

[blckgrffn]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: apoppin
actually theInq isn't backing down

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38719

The 2D mode is still set to return for mobile G84/86 parts, GeForce Go 8600 and Go 8500. Whether there is a problem with 2D Mode and it was disabled in the first rev desktop part, or if there is a real problem in the first batch of chips is largely irrelvant.

But there will certainly be a second batch of chips that will feature 2D and 3D mixed mode, as our own Charlie wrote in his article.

Both the G84 and G86 chips will come in a second rev and these will be oriented towards notebooks, as is usual.

Will those parts see the light of the day as desktop parts? If history has taught us anything (the 7950GX2 is one example of using mobile chips in desktop cards), again, yes.

Bear in mind that it is insanely expensive to develop and produce two different chips that are almost identical, and that graphics chips of today serve as both consumer and professional parts (for example: GeForce and Quadro).

The second rev is usually shipped as both desktop, professional and mobile parts (for example, GeForce, GeForce Go, Quadro). Chips hand-picked from the middle of wafer are sold either as mobile or overclocking parts to notebook vendors or premium card manufacturers.

How are they not "backing down" in the rational sense? They just said that the controversey the Inq. created over this was largely irrelevant.

[rant]
On the other hand, if you expect press people to "back down" in the emotional sense of apologizing for the mistake and trying to correct it, that's just not going to happen regardless of whether they were right or wrong. For the press, apology is suicide.

People in the media are paid to shoot their mouths off, which sells ad products, not to say "nothing to see here, move along now," which sells nothing. Fabricated melodrama hits the front pages while the letters to the editor and such are just given lip service, conveniently nestled in money-making ads.

When was the last time you watched the news hour and did not see the anchors oozing melodrama over each and every news story? These people are news hawkers--they're paid to make the stuff sound appealing. The idea of a free press being responsible and always seeking out the truth regardless of personal danger is mostly urban myth.

The only way for society to get the benefit of a free press (i.e. accurate information) is that, when we get enough of these knuckleheads together, they start cannibalizing each other's organizations, allowing the truth to come tumbling out of the closet (bound and gagged) during the ensuing melee.
[/rant]

"You killed a guy with a Trident! You better lay low for awhile..."

Media melee indeed...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin
actually theInq isn't backing down

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38719

The 2D mode is still set to return for mobile G84/86 parts, GeForce Go 8600 and Go 8500. Whether there is a problem with 2D Mode and it was disabled in the first rev desktop part, or if there is a real problem in the first batch of chips is largely irrelvant.

But there will certainly be a second batch of chips that will feature 2D and 3D mixed mode, as our own Charlie wrote in his article.

Both the G84 and G86 chips will come in a second rev and these will be oriented towards notebooks, as is usual.

Will those parts see the light of the day as desktop parts? If history has taught us anything (the 7950GX2 is one example of using mobile chips in desktop cards), again, yes.

Bear in mind that it is insanely expensive to develop and produce two different chips that are almost identical, and that graphics chips of today serve as both consumer and professional parts (for example: GeForce and Quadro).

The second rev is usually shipped as both desktop, professional and mobile parts (for example, GeForce, GeForce Go, Quadro). Chips hand-picked from the middle of wafer are sold either as mobile or overclocking parts to notebook vendors or premium card manufacturers.

Not backing down? Or trying to convince themselves that they were not incorrect?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: dreddfunk
It doesn't make much sense to me to interpret the fact the subsequent revisions might have some of their power saving features tweaked as evidence that a 'bug' exists in the original version.

so you would assume that they would add a hardware feature to a chip revision?

i don't know if subsequent chip revisions will feature seperate 2d clocks or not, but if they do, it would be safe to conclude the hardware part was there all along, and simply didn't work in the first revision.

at any rate, i don't see this as a big deal for anything other than laptops.