G80 Taped out.

[akugami]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Why does everyone think new gen video cards are synonymous with Vista? DX9 Performance should be more than stellar on the new hardware. Better than it is now for certain. You don't have to have Vista in order to buy a G80 or a R600. XP will be just fine.
Now when Vista does come out and people are actually willing to use it, then is the time to concern yourself with a video card that can properly run Vista with all the candy. That is not for a good while yet. Probably two gens/refreshes of vid cards from now.

I think the issue is that the Windows Vista hype will touting DX10 and Vista's new GUI effects. ATI and nVidia will be pimping their new video cards, which should be released two to three months before Vista. Even though you're probably better off not using the new GUI effects. For that matter, you're probably better off waiting to upgrade to Vista until they work out the initial bugs in the inevitable Vista service pack release.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: beggerking
good news for NV but there is no reason to get it now... Vista won't be out until 2007.

.....but beggerking you won't need to wait for Vista will you. Your hardware will be able to do DX10 just fine without this software right? Or will you just write an emulator to fool it.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: beggerking
good news for NV but there is no reason to get it now... Vista won't be out until 2007.

.....but beggerking you won't need to wait for Vista will you. Your hardware will be able to do DX10 just fine without this software right? Or will you just write an emulator to fool it.

Dont start it please!

Anyhow, i wonde what kind of IQ improvement they will bring. This is what im waiting for the most. It would be nice if they had an option to HDR plus MSAA and HDR plus SSAA.

Im thinking first G80 is 32 pixel shaders, 16 vertex, 16 Geometry shaders (total of 64), while the R600 has a total of 64 unified shaders to do pixel/vertex/geometry. R600 will have 16 TMUs?, but im wondering if G80 will have 32 TMUs, or will leave it at 16/24?

Ive been waiting for this card for 4 years or so. I think ill skip this gen altogether and save some cash for the NV50.

Also, people think you need vista for these cards, but even if vista is released the majority of the games will be S.M 3.0 AND dx9.0c. I dont think NV and ATi wants to abandon like 95% of the market straight away. Im sure these next gen parts are going to have mind blowing performance for DX9.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: beggerking
good news for NV but there is no reason to get it now... Vista won't be out until 2007.

.....but beggerking you won't need to wait for Vista will you. Your hardware will be able to do DX10 just fine without this software right? Or will you just write an emulator to fool it.

Ive been waiting for this card for 4 years or so. I think ill skip this gen altogether and save some cash for the NV50.

G80 is NV50.

 

[Nightmare225]

If you look at these companies previous track records: 1 next-gen high-end card = 2 current-gen high-end cards

I think I'm going to get an EVGA 7900GT and then Step-Up to the G80 ASAP in order to enjoy Crysis at full settings as soon as I can.

 

[fierydemise]

Wonder what power draw will be? 300W? Maybe a conservative 250W?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: beggerking
good news for NV but there is no reason to get it now... Vista won't be out until 2007.

Why does everyone think new gen video cards are synonymous with Vista? DX9 Performance should be more than stellar on the new hardware. Better than it is now for certain. You don't have to have Vista in order to buy a G80 or a R600. XP will be just fine.
Now when Vista does come out and people are actually willing to use it, then is the time to concern yourself with a video card that can properly run Vista with all the candy. That is not for a good while yet. Probably two gens/refreshes of vid cards from now.

Agreed. good point keys.

Originally posted by: redbox
but beggerking you won't need to wait for Vista will you. Your hardware will be able to do DX10 just fine without this software right? Or will you just write an emulator to fool it.

umm...redbox, please research before commenting.
G80 does support DX9. Besides, games need to be written to support DX10 before hardware can use it.

 

[BFG10K]

.....but beggerking you won't need to wait for Vista will you. Your hardware will be able to do DX10 just fine without this software right? Or will you just write an emulator to fool it.

Nah, he just needs to flash the BIOS on his video card to get DX10.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

.....but beggerking you won't need to wait for Vista will you. Your hardware will be able to do DX10 just fine without this software right? Or will you just write an emulator to fool it.

Nah, he just needs to flash the BIOS on his video card to get DX10.

There's no such thing as a driver path! The hardware will know through osmosis to run DX10 and it will be fully functional!

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: beggerking
good news for NV but there is no reason to get it now... Vista won't be out until 2007.

Why does everyone think new gen video cards are synonymous with Vista? DX9 Performance should be more than stellar on the new hardware. Better than it is now for certain. You don't have to have Vista in order to buy a G80 or a R600. XP will be just fine.
Now when Vista does come out and people are actually willing to use it, then is the time to concern yourself with a video card that can properly run Vista with all the candy. That is not for a good while yet. Probably two gens/refreshes of vid cards from now.

Keys,

With X1900 crossfire, 7900 GT/X SLI or 7950 quad, what DX9 game out there can you honestly say requires more power than they already provide? The G80 and R600 are pointless for now because they are built for DX10 yet Vista isn't even available yet. By the time Vista is available, the refresh for G80/R600 will be ready to roll and that's when people should give serious consideration to upgrading to the next gen.

 

[josh6079]

Nah, he just needs to flash the BIOS on his video card to get DX10.

There's no such thing as a driver path! The hardware will know through osmosis to run DX10 and it will be fully functional!

QFT. I think beggerking is just about on the same level as akshayt anymore. Who else would argue for pages about how hardware doesn't need drivers to be functioning as it was intended?

Anyway's, I do see the point in skipping G80 and R600 completely. The power consumptions may be better by the second round, possibly saving you the cost of an alternate power source. Time will tell though.

 

[redbox]

Well Joker I am one of those looking for the G80 or R600 simply because I have a 7800GT right now and want more performance in Oblivion and newer games plus if Nvidia get's their IQ act right I could finally play with HDR+AA on either brand of card. It took Nvidia quite sometime to get a refresh for the orig. G70 so I expect G81 to be about a year after the G80.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Keys,

With X1900 crossfire, 7900 GT/X SLI or 7950 quad, what DX9 game out there can you honestly say requires more power than they already provide? The G80 and R600 are pointless for now because they are built for DX10 yet Vista isn't even available yet. By the time Vista is available, the refresh for G80/R600 will be ready to roll and that's when people should give serious consideration to upgrading to the next gen.

I don't think it's a even a question of ultimate performance, but of cost. A G80 card is most likely going to be cheaper (and probably perform more consistently) than 7950GX2 quad SLI.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: beggerking
good news for NV but there is no reason to get it now... Vista won't be out until 2007.

.....but beggerking you won't need to wait for Vista will you. Your hardware will be able to do DX10 just fine without this software right? Or will you just write an emulator to fool it.

Ive been waiting for this card for 4 years or so. I think ill skip this gen altogether and save some cash for the NV50 or either known as G80.

G80 is NV50.

I meant the G80. NV50 sounds better

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: redbox
but beggerking you won't need to wait for Vista will you. Your hardware will be able to do DX10 just fine without this software right? Or will you just write an emulator to fool it.

umm...redbox, please research before commenting.
G80 does support DX9. Besides, games need to be written to support DX10 before hardware can use it.

Nope you won't even have to wait for the games to be written to support DX10. Cause a game is after all just software. Your hardware will just get input data and then output that said data. Doesn't matter what it is written with cause we all know software has nothing to do with hardware.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Wonder what power draw will be? 300W? Maybe a conservative 250W?

probably not much more than the 7900 series.

anyway is the G80 on a new die process or is it the same as G71.

Well I'm speaking from the POV of someone who already has a top-tier card(1900XT) so for me there's little benefit in going either G80 or R600 without DX10 being a reality. The DX9 performance will undoubtedly be better, by what amount remains to be seen. Whatever that DX9 advantage turns out to be, it won't be enough for me to justify another $600 bones upgrading.

the introduction of G80 will bring the prices of the x1900 and 7900 series down. that always good.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker


Keys,

With X1900 crossfire, 7900 GT/X SLI or 7950 quad, what DX9 game out there can you honestly say requires more power than they already provide? The G80 and R600 are pointless for now because they are built for DX10 yet Vista isn't even available yet. By the time Vista is available, the refresh for G80/R600 will be ready to roll and that's when people should give serious consideration to upgrading to the next gen.

You have good points, but that didn't stop people from buying a GF4 Ti4x00 that was built for DX 8.1 that ran DX7 games like superchamps. Or from buying an R300 built for DX9 when DX9 games didn't even exist yet, but ran the crap out of prev. DX9 games.

The setups you mentioned above are crazy powerful, but not unstoppable. Some games that exist today can bring them "dangerously" close to non playable framerates (approaching 30's) when resolutions are sky high and everything is turned on. Especially those of us who have large widescreen LCD's with crazy aspect ratios.

People want more power, is really the bottom line here. Well, at least those who want the best of the best all of the time. If I currently had anyone of the setups you mentioned, I would definately be thinking twice about purchasing a G80, but then again, you know I got to have one.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: beggerking
good news for NV but there is no reason to get it now... Vista won't be out until 2007.

Why does everyone think new gen video cards are synonymous with Vista? DX9 Performance should be more than stellar on the new hardware. Better than it is now for certain. You don't have to have Vista in order to buy a G80 or a R600. XP will be just fine.
Now when Vista does come out and people are actually willing to use it, then is the time to concern yourself with a video card that can properly run Vista with all the candy. That is not for a good while yet. Probably two gens/refreshes of vid cards from now.

Keys,

With X1900 crossfire, 7900 GT/X SLI or 7950 quad, what DX9 game out there can you honestly say requires more power than they already provide? The G80 and R600 are pointless for now because they are built for DX10 yet Vista isn't even available yet. By the time Vista is available, the refresh for G80/R600 will be ready to roll and that's when people should give serious consideration to upgrading to the next gen.

I don't understand this mis-conception about-

a.) G80 and R600 being DX10-only cards:
G80 and R600, aside from sporting the cool DX10 capabilities, will more importantly bring increased performance and support for DX9 - not only in Vista, but XP, as well. And this increased performance/support will be faster than both the Geforce 7 and Radeon x1k series, as well. (Which you'd think would be obvious, but apparently you're not understanding? )

G80 and R600 will be seeing far more DX9 code than DX10, thus it's ridiculous to presume that the only benefits potentially incurred from G80 and R600 will only be in DX10 applications. If you haven't noticed, there are no DX10 applications currently, nor will there be for a very long time (early games will sport certain DX10 capabilites, though, like Crysis and a handful of others in 2007. The list will get more prominent as you move through 2008).


b.) My ultra-highend x1k / Geforce 7 GPU does me good as it is!:
I think it's insulting that you have such strong disregard for the enthusiasts who desire maximum settings on a decent resolution (which I consider to be 1600x1200 or higher) at an average of 60+ FPS, and able to run all the cool features and eye candy the game posseses.
What right do you have to tell gamers what's good enough for them, and what isn't. You might be satisfied with 1024x768 4xaa, but surprisingly, there are people who'd prefer to run things on higher settings, with a higher resolution, and optimal performance. And I'm sorry, but even the ultra-highend cards of today can't handle that for the most demanding games, much less the games coming out later this year through 2007.

Your logic makes no sense. I don't understand how something offering support for technology not yet on the market automatically means it becomes obsolete to everything else. But I think it's because your logic is just based on mis-information, and hopefully I cleared things up for you.

)Nelsieus(

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

anyway is the G80 on a new die process or is it the same as G71.

I am inclined to say 90nm. nVidia will have some 80nm G73 and G72 chips coming around the same time as G80's launch, but because 90nm is more mature, it will likely be the best choice for the highend card.

Also, both G80 and R600 will be very powerhungry, as reported by Anandtech.

 

[ronnn]

Heck if the g80 beats the pants of everything else, with both IQ and fps, many people here will buy 2 regardless of price. And if the R600 comes out even faster, at least half of them will switch. Winning in benchmarking and overclocking doesn't even require games and I would guess that most of the most vocal here rarely game. (I am joking - sort of) :beer:

I expect we will hear very little about the g80 for a while as nvidia states that sales of the 7950 is good and won't want to kill them just yet. Both companies seem to be doing quite well that way - so little in the way of leaked info.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
With X1900 crossfire, 7900 GT/X SLI or 7950 quad, what DX9 game out there can you honestly say requires more power than they already provide? The G80 and R600 are pointless for now because they are built for DX10 yet Vista isn't even available yet.

There is definitely plenty of power but think about it...next-gen cards usually give about 50% more perfromance than the last?? Dual GPU also gives about 40-60% performance boost but the thing is that dual GPU will usually cost more than the next gen single GPU, so you get the same performance benefit for less money, and without dual gpu hassles.

For people that already have dual GPU then of course it's not worth it but for people that don't have dual GPU it is definitely worth it. This is of course assuming the performance jump to R600/G80 is at about 50%.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Heck if the g80 beats the pants of everything else, with both IQ and fps, many people here will buy 2 regardless of price. And if the R600 comes out even faster, at least half of them will switch. Winning in benchmarking and overclocking doesn't even require games and I would guess that most of the most vocal here rarely game. (I am joking - sort of) :beer:

I expect we will hear very little about the g80 for a while as nvidia states that sales of the 7950 is good and won't want to kill them just yet. Both companies seem to be doing quite well that way - so little in the way of leaked info.

Very true.

If nVidia really does expect to launch G80 in Sept., then we'll probably start hearing them disclose some more info on G80 in Aug. Not because it's a month before, but because that's when their 3rd FY QRT (Aug-Oct. 2006) begins, the quarter they'd be expecing G80 to start bringing in revenue.

If they started to talk about G80 now, it would affect 2nd FY QRT by potentially putting off 7950GX2 sales (for those who got excited about G80 and decided to wait for it). By not talking about G80 yet, they can count on 7950GX2 continuing to be a driver in their 2nd FY QRT, which will end in July.

 

[Keysplayr]

Yes, very little leaked so far. I have heard that G80 will not be a unified architecture. And a small glimpse of what it might be is Here.

 

[Regs]

(puts troll outfit on)


What the hell kind of word is "novemberish"?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Regs
(puts troll outfit on)


What the hell kind of word is "novemberish"?

It sits right between "Octoberwurst and Decembrick"