G71 taped out.

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Cooler
This gives time for the r590 to come out soon after that i think they have started tapping them out as well.
This is what i think will happen

G71beats x1900xtx
R590 beats G71

(G71 Might not be widely available because of extreme clock & memory speeds Same with r590)

Video Ultra high end has become a war of one up every six months with hidden high end cards and refreshes

Think about it r590 wil be a refresh of a refresh.

Thats what I think will happen too.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Interesting that Nvidia's and ATI's product cycles are almost 180 degrees out of phase at this point.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: Cooler
This gives time for the r590 to come out soon after that i think they have started tapping them out as well.
This is what i think will happen

G71beats x1900xtx
R590 beats G71

(G71 Might not be widely available because of extreme clock & memory speeds Same with r590)

Video Ultra high end has become a war of one up every six months with hidden high end cards and refreshes

Think about it r590 wil be a refresh of a refresh.

What do you think the G71 is. Its A refresh of a refresh.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Elfear
Do you guys think Nvidia would dare do a paperlaunch though after all the hype? If they continue with the more recent trend of hard launching (besides the 512MB 7800GTX) than I don't know if early March is that feasible.

i think they'd like to hard launch it but if they think they'll lose any sales by not having some tangible results out then they'll paper launch it.

people hold up the 7800 hard launch as some sort of new standard. i hope it is but the hard launch was made possible more by r520 delays than nvidia design.

 

[the Chase]

What's interesting is that a Nvidia spokesperson released this press release http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060124235047.html just 3 days ago(1/24/06). So if the chip really did just tape out say on January 10th then you add a optimistic 90 days from tape out to market this still ends up being April 10th and most likely later(May). So a 1-2 month difference in timelines. Nvidia knowing something we don't or just very optimistic?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky
I only taped out just now?! How do they expect it to be available in large quantities 1.5 months from now?

They said it taped out "mid January" and it's supposed to be launched "mid March". (second week of March)

Do you think it's impossible to go from tape-out to launch in two months Munky? Or what if Fuad was wrong and it was really early January? (or before?)

Remember, this isn't the R520, it will probably suffice to have one tape out instead of three.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: TSS
that news post makes it pretty much feel like the G71 is gonna be more of a let down then previously thought. but that was to be expected.

cmon, 700mhz? 32 pipes? thats alot. also first rumours where early febuary that it was supposed to come out, then march, now maybe april? they CAN'T do a paper launch now, else people will start losing faith in hard launches again and it'll be back to what it was.

in the end it'll be "done when its done" (gawd i hope not, especially after the last time i've heard that line )

Don't worry TSS. I'll be sure to pick up one or two and let you know how a card with more than 16 pipes performs.

 

[Alaa]

http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/9324 for X1900 owners

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Alaa
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/9324 for X1900 owners

Repost. And what does that have to do with this thread?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
I only taped out just now?! How do they expect it to be available in large quantities 1.5 months from now?

They said it taped out "mid January" and it's supposed to be launched "mid March". (second week of March)

Do you think it's impossible to go from tape-out to launch in two months Munky? Or what if Fuad was wrong and it was really early January? (or before?)

Remember, this isn't the R520, it will probably suffice to have one tape out instead of three.

That still leaves them only 2 months from tape out to mass availability. Do you know of any other card that was hard launched 2 months after tape out? (and was available in stock for more than a week ?)

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ElFenix

right, but nvidia had this card designed from the get go. it probably uses the same pcb as the quadro cards do. they just sat on it to spoil ati's fun. (well, that and the ram they designed it for wasn't out). regardless of what it is, what it isn't is a genuine refresh or generational release.

AFAIK, the GTX512's PCB had to be totally redone to accomodate the double density 64-bit 1.1ns memory modules Samsung had, and for different voltages.If you notice, the memory is all on one side, and thats 512MB worth. The regular GT/GTX has 1/2 that memory but is on both sides. This is presumably the reason for the initial high cost of the card. That, and the memory itself. It's availability is another story. So, more than a tiny bit of R&D had to go into the GTX512.

Not to get picky but my 7800GT has ram on ONE side....

Either way what I'm figuring is I'll wait for the end of the summer to buy a new card to replace my 7800GT, I figure around then all the product lines will be mature and I could probably get a real good deal on one of these refresh cards.

It would seem all 7800GT's are done this way. The 7800GTX's have mem on both sides.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ronin, are you permitted to say anything about the G71? Expected release/introduction date? I heard March at Cebit. If you can't, thats cool.

You knew the answer to that question before you asked it.

 

[Keysplayr]

:thumbsup:

 

[pibrahim]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ronin, are you permitted to say anything about the G71? Expected release/introduction date? I heard March at Cebit. If you can't, thats cool.

You knew the answer to that question before you asked it.

Was the answer 'Cebit' or 'can't say anything about it'?

=)

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
I only taped out just now?! How do they expect it to be available in large quantities 1.5 months from now?

They said it taped out "mid January" and it's supposed to be launched "mid March". (second week of March)

Do you think it's impossible to go from tape-out to launch in two months Munky? Or what if Fuad was wrong and it was really early January? (or before?)

Remember, this isn't the R520, it will probably suffice to have one tape out instead of three.

That still leaves them only 2 months from tape out to mass availability. Do you know of any other card that was hard launched 2 months after tape out? (and was available in stock for more than a week ?)

I take The Inquirer with a grain of salt. They're wrong as much as they're right, but time will tell.

I consider XBit more reliable
although to me they've always seemed more ATI oriented.

 

[SonicIce]

what does it mean to "tape out"?

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: SonicIce
what does it mean to "tape out"?

they created working example of the chip.

 

[SonicIce]

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: SonicIce
what does it mean to "tape out"?

they created working example of the chip.

thanks

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Not everything has to be an argument. I am merely discussing this. My comment was to address your comment on the amount of development that went into the PCB. I have no doubt that a core is exponentially more difficult to design and build than a PCB. That doesn't necessarily make designing and building a PCB to handle the components,voltages,clocks of a card any easier.

an argument being logic and reason following from facts...

M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A: I did!
M: You didn't!
A: I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not.
A: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M: No you did not.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't.
A: Did.
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A: I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.
Pause
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A: Thank you.
short pause
M: Well?
A: Well what?
M: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M: I just paid!
A: No you didn't.
M: I DID!
A: No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A: No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A: No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up.

 

[the Chase]

Wow- how long did that take to type out?

 

[Goi]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Beyond3d had an interesting chart showing the % of texture and math calculations from 2001 till now in games. It appears memory bandwidth is not what is holding back GPUs in today and tomorrows game but resources to crunch numbers.

Link?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Not everything has to be an argument. I am merely discussing this. My comment was to address your comment on the amount of development that went into the PCB. I have no doubt that a core is exponentially more difficult to design and build than a PCB. That doesn't necessarily make designing and building a PCB to handle the components,voltages,clocks of a card any easier.

an argument being logic and reason following from facts...

M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A: I did!
M: You didn't!
A: I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not.
A: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M: No you did not.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't.
A: Did.
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A: I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.
Pause
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A: Thank you.
short pause
M: Well?
A: Well what?
M: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M: I just paid!
A: No you didn't.
M: I DID!
A: No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A: No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A: No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up.

Yeah, ok..... Take it to OT.

 

[Drayvn]

ATi shipped their X1X00 with lower latency memory but said that they can switch out that memory and put in faster GDDR4 memory easily.

Couldnt nVidia have done this with their card, they could have foreseen that they would be using this PCB for some time and built in some measures so that they can put in better memory without having to build a different PCB?

 

[Skott]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Not everything has to be an argument. I am merely discussing this. My comment was to address your comment on the amount of development that went into the PCB. I have no doubt that a core is exponentially more difficult to design and build than a PCB. That doesn't necessarily make designing and building a PCB to handle the components,voltages,clocks of a card any easier.

an argument being logic and reason following from facts...

M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A: I did!
M: You didn't!
A: I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not.
A: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M: No you did not.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't.
A: Did.
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A: I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.
Pause
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A: Thank you.
short pause
M: Well?
A: Well what?
M: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M: I just paid!
A: No you didn't.
M: I DID!
A: No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A: No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A: No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up.

Yeah, ok..... Take it to OT.

Ahhh... Monty Python. Loved that show.