G4 vs P4 w/hyperthreading

[bagaki]

i will be getting into more video work in the near future and was wondering about an upgrade to my system. first of all, what is hyperthreading that intel will be including in their 3.06ghz and > p4's? and will a dual p4 3.06 with hyperthreading be fast enough to take on a dual g4 @ 1.25ghz? can this question even be answered right now, i dont know - but i will ask anyway.

EDIT: are any mobo companies even working on dual p4 boards? (besides xeon)

bagaki

 

[Mingon]

The only thing the g4 has going for it is final cut pro - if you like this get a mac, if not its PC all the way for performance.

 

[Adul]

the p4 would be faster or just has fast in all benchies. I don't really see any reason why to even waste money ona dual g4 when a single p4 3 gh would be a faster cheaper alternative.

 

[BFG10K]

A single P4 already demolishes a dual G4 system even without hyperthreading, especially for video/multimedia work.

 

[bagaki]

Originally posted by: Adul
the p4 would be faster or just has fast in all benchies. I don't really see any reason why to even waste money ona dual g4 when a single p4 3 gh would be a faster cheaper alternative.

the business pays for it, so i dont really care if it costs a little more

i prefer quicktime and really like final cut pro, anyone use the new adobe premier 6.5 software? i played with 6.0 a little bit, but not enough to really get to know it.

now, a sales person (for mac) was telling me about how the g4 can push raw uncompressed video across the system bus better than a p4 system, or that a p4 cant even do this (?). i forget the type of video he was talking about, but i know it was uncompressed and something else. anyone know what he might have been talking about?

bagaki

 

[McCarthy]

Well you can use quicktime on a PC just fine. As far as which is faster, I've listened to the rants and bragging on both sides, still don't know. Other than a PC being faster with After Effects filters I haven't been able to find any good side by side comparisons. Still love to see a Mac/P4 comparison on the main page one of these days....

 

[BFG10K]

now, a sales person (for mac) was telling me about how the g4 can push raw uncompressed video across the system bus better than a p4 system, or that a p4 cant even do this (?).

The P4's FSB and memory bandwidth utterly crushes a G4's.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

now, a sales person (for mac) was telling me about how the g4 can push raw uncompressed video across the system bus better than a p4 system, or that a p4 cant even do this (?).

The P4's FSB and memory bandwidth utterly crushes a G4's.

yes

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Well if money is no issue, I say go with whatever platform you feel most comfortable with. If you feel more comfortable with Final Cut than with Premiere than go Apple. Both are very fast and if money is no issue just go with whatever you feel most at ease with.

 

[cmdrdredd]

the new G4 sits on a 166Mhz FSB with PC2700 DDR memory which is not that fast and no overclocking. However...the OS is absolutely the best. Final Cut Pro is probably the best video editing software around that you can just buy at the store. It's not that hard to work with too. When you buy a Mac it just works...no adjusting bios and registry settings etc. Just startup and make money.

The MAJOR draw to the Mac is it's compatability with different output devices. I've seen more PCs not work with a large format printer because of some driver or font problem and it begins to cost a company money. The Mac always does perfect prints with no problems or downtime. This is totally unrelated to video work, but you can see my point.

I have a PC for games and a Mac that does my money making work.

 

[krackato]

You want to do video? You like Final Cut Pro? Get a Mac.

Video on the PC is a nightmare. I don't know why, and I would love for it to be a viable alternative to the Mac and their expensive technology, but having used both, for the love of god, save your sanity and get a Mac. Even a lower-end Mac will be fine especially if you can get atleast a G4 500mhz so that you can use FCP 3.0's built in real-time effects previews.

Trust me, as someone who's done more video than probably 99.9% of everyone else on this forum on both Mac and PC, the Mac's the way to go.

 

[Sunner]

I think you'd be better off asking this question to real professionals who have experience with both platforms.
Im definately not one, I can tell you that a P4 will utterly crush a G4 in SPEC, Quake3, After effects, etc, but if you want good oppinions, ask the people that know about your specific scenario.

Besides, this forum is unfortunately full of people who for some reason hate one platform or the other and will tell you that a P4 or G4 sucks no matter what.

 

[Utterman]

Check this out, The new OSX 10.2 (aka jaguar) improves performance by using more of the video card, rather than using the CPU. I think that for what you do, the G4 would be a lot better choice than the P4. It has been the tool of choice by video professionals for years.

 

[Goosemaster]

EIther get a MAc or a BOXX

'nuff said.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: krackato
You want to do video? You like Final Cut Pro? Get a Mac.

Video on the PC is a nightmare. I don't know why, and I would love for it to be a viable alternative to the Mac and their expensive technology, but having used both, for the love of god, save your sanity and get a Mac. Even a lower-end Mac will be fine especially if you can get atleast a G4 500mhz so that you can use FCP 3.0's built in real-time effects previews.

Trust me, as someone who's done more video than probably 99.9% of everyone else on this forum on both Mac and PC, the Mac's the way to go.

These are pretty much my thoughts as well.

The only PC editing I'd even recommend is using Avid software. Their ExpressDV is aimed at the FCP market, but it costs 600-700 dollars more, and it can only cut DV (where as FCP can cut whatever everformat you want, DV, Digi/Beta, HD, etc.,.). Of course you can get a PC based Media Composser, but that's gonna cost an arm and a leg.

IMO, get a G4 and FCP.

The above is just my opinioned after cutting on both platforms, and w/various editing proggies. You might want to check out Vegas Video though. It's for the PC, and seems to get pretty good reviews, but I've never used it myself so I can't comment on it directly.

Also, what kind of video work are you going to be doing? Films, coroporate, weddings/events, documentaries, etc.,?


Lethal

 

[Mingon]

The new OSX 10.2 (aka jaguar) improves performance by using more of the video card, rather than using the CPU

This is done in winxp as well by nvdia cards (unsure about ATI), using nview you can accellerate the maximising of the windows. Other things such as scrolling with mousewheel can use directx accelleration.

 

[bagaki]

thanks everyone for the replys

it is much appreciated

bagaki