G2020 and Radeon 7750

[toyota]

60+ fps in nearly every game is not suitable for you?

lol that cpu will not maintain 60 fps by a long show in many games. heck there are a few where my 2500k cant even do it the whole time.

the cpu is fine if he is happy with 30-40 fps in many newer games and does not intend to use vsync. I would certainly go with a cpu that can handle 4 threads if at possible though.

 

[DigDog]

as a 7750 owner, i cannot recommend it. the card wont OV, and will not OC more than 3-5%. a 7770 is a much better prospect for a little more money.

 

[toyota]

as a 7750 owner, i cannot recommend it. the card wont OV, and will not OC more than 3-5%. a 7770 is a much better prospect for a little more money.

at 1024x768 it is more than enough as he would need a way faster cpu to even come close to getting the most out of just that card in most newer games. a 7750 at 1024 would be about like a gtx670 at 1920.

 

[vass_badass]

Also, 7750 will always bottleneck before G2020.

Will it affect gaming? The bottlenecking thing?

 

[vass_badass]

at 1024x768 it is more than enough as he would need a way faster cpu to even come close to getting the most out of just that card in most newer games. a 7750 at 1024 would be about like a gtx670 at 1920.

Agreed!
So, should i go for G2020?

 

[DigDog]

to be completely honest, i will ignore your reasonable analysis and stick with my recommendation, adding that the OP should invest some cash in a used 1680 monitor.

srsly who games at that resolution. It's 2013 for christ's sake.

 

[SPBHM]

Also, 7750 will always bottleneck before G2020.

if you go for "high settings" sure, but if you turn down a few things this is incorrect,
my i3 2100 can bottleneck a 5750 in many games with "realistic settings" (for good framerate),

 

[DominionSeraph]

I can get the i3-3210 but then i have to go for 6670 1GB GDDR5(*budget*). I wont be playing multiplayer at all. Will the 6670 be enough for 1024*768?

Go. To. General. Hardware.
Fill out sticky.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=80121

 

[frozentundra123456]

as a 7750 owner, i cannot recommend it. the card wont OV, and will not OC more than 3-5%. a 7770 is a much better prospect for a little more money.

I would agree with you to go with the 7770 instead of the 7750 if the power supply can handle it . Maybe 30 pct or more better performance for a slight increase in price. However I would not count on great overclocking from it. I have a 7770 that is factory overclocked 50 MHz and won't overclock a lick more. Even trying to overclock 5 MHz more crashes the video driver and hard locks my computer. Only thing I am disappointed with about the card though. Otherwise it gives decent performance, low power use, and I got it on sale for a nice price.

 

[frozentundra123456]

if you go for "high settings" sure, but if you turn down a few things this is incorrect,
my i3 2100 can bottleneck a 5750 in many games with "realistic settings" (for good framerate),

Not doubting your post, but I am just curious. What games bottleneck your CPU with a 5750?
I suppose it is possible if you turn down the IQ settings to shoot for 60fps.

I have a 7770 and an i5 2320 and have only been able to max out the CPU by playing a 10 player skirmish match in SC 2. I am satisfied with 30 to 40 fps though, so I may be using relatively high video settings compared to you.

 

[SPBHM]

Not doubting your post, but I am just curious. What games bottleneck your CPU with a 5750?
I suppose it is possible if you turn down the IQ settings to shoot for 60fps.

I have a 7770 and an i5 2320 and have only been able to max out the CPU by playing a 10 player skirmish match in SC 2. I am satisfied with 30 to 40 fps though, so I may be using relatively high video settings compared to you.

any i3 is much slower than the i5 2320.

it's impossible to list the games, because there are to many, and I haven't used that card for quite some time,

but even on things like Witcher 2 (famous GPU bound game), GPU load on the 5750 could go down to 50-60% at my regular settings during the worst fight (and framerate was 24FPS with some stutter, when in most parts of the game the frameate is around 40 with the GPU fully loaded at the settings I used), other games like GTA 4 it would easily go to 60% GPU usage with the framerate at 30-25 in some bad areas.
Skyrim also had a few places where the CPU couldn't handle the keep the VGA at 100% (with medium to high settings and low anti aliasing I think)

same goes for any MMO I've played, like LOTRO or SWTOR, with sub 30FPS and low GPU usage in the worst places (when in the 100% GPU load areas was over 50)...

and things like like Sleeping Dogs (probably medium), TF2 and others.

obviously I'm talking about a lower level of graphics settings, like medium and not 1080p which for me was the most comfortable way of playing these games (with a smaller screen), but it's all relative,
a slower card doesn't necessarily mean lower frame rate and less CPU load, it can simply mean lower visual quality (which can or cannot affect the CPU)

 

[DigDog]

7770 will take overvolting; this doesn't guarantee a great overclock, but you have decent chances of a 15%. dat' silicone lottery.

 

[Yuriman]

Will it affect gaming? The bottlenecking thing?

In short, what we're saying is that some games may run choppy regardless of how low you drop your graphics because your CPU will struggle. That said, I would still not buy less than a 7770 for gaming, and the Pentium can potentially be swapped for an i5 later when you have a budget for it.

Alternatively, you might even consider getting an i5 4xxx right now (something with Intel HD4600) and throw in a proper video card later. Intel integrated graphics isn't amazing but it'll get you by for a while at 1024x768, and you'll have a *good* processor to pair it with when you can afford it.

 

[toyota]

Will it affect gaming? The bottlenecking thing?

he is flat out wrong as it will be your cpu that will be the limitation for many games to play properly. you are only at 1024 too which means you dont need much graphics power so really that cpu will be the main limitation for you. there are different levels of cpu bottleneck. for instance a stock 2500k will bottleneck a Titan at 1920x1080 but not really enough to matter for the most part. it just will not give 100% full use of the Titan in every game which is a waste if spending big bucks on a gpu. then there is a playable bottleneck where the cpu is a playable limitation in general. a g2020 will certainly keep some games from playing all that well.

 

[Kristijonas]

he is flat out wrong as it will be your cpu that will be the limitation for many games to play properly.

And I believe you are flat out wrong. I think he needs to do some research himself and find the true answer.
Another thing OP should consider, is buying a new display. I'd rather have a very weak card with 1080p monitor than the most powerful gpu with that 1024 resolution

 

[Bman123]

Anyone suggesting a dual core cpu in 2013 is a down right fool. I gamed at 1366x768 on a 720p hdtv for years, from cod4 to nba 2k13 time frame. I heard it all in terms of advice on what to buy. Trust me get a quad core. A dual core would run cod4 era games fine, but not today's games.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Anyone suggesting a dual core cpu in 2013 is a down right fool. I gamed at 1366x768 on a 720p hdtv for years, from cod4 to nba 2k13 time frame. I heard it all in terms of advice on what to buy. Trust me get a quad core. A dual core would run cod4 era games fine, but not today's games.

E8400 was the go-to gaming CPU of 2008, and a G2020 is faster. An APU is slower than the best GPU of 2006. If his choice is between a G2020 + discrete and an APU, he should get the G2020 + discrete. On the CPU side there is a price difference between the G2020 and any worthwhile quads, so it's not like you can just "spec a quad" -- he actually has to have the funds to purchase the components for a suggestion to be of any use.

He really needs to go to General Hardware so we can sort all this out.

 

[toyota]

And I believe you are flat out wrong. I think he needs to do some research himself and find the true answer.
Another thing OP should consider, is buying a new display. I'd rather have a very weak card with 1080p monitor than the most powerful gpu with that 1024 resolution

he is at 1024 so YES you are 100% WRONG to claim a 7750 will bottleneck before his cpu will. a 7750 at 1024 is basically the same as gtx670 at 1920x1080. anyone with a lick of sense knows a freaking G2020 would be a massive limitation for a gtx670 at 1920x1080. and again a G220 is limitation in general for some games.

 

[Bman123]

So he's already got a board just needs a cpu and gpu for $200? Where is he located at? We needs mo info foo

Where are you located? I am sure we can figure you out something

 

[alexruiz]

I don't understand why you guys keep dishing advice. The OP didn't come for advice, he came for affirmation. He was expecting the "you did great", he didn't get it, he is not back.

ps. Yes, all those of you recommending dual cores are out of your mind. Put that G2020 into far cry 3, crysis 3, BF3 MP, Tomb Raider or any newer game and see how that fares... yes, might do great at older games, but so would many other CPUs. Those of you with dual cores recommending it, enjoy your stuttering, you also made up your mind on it, live with it; just don't propagate lies.

 

[Kristijonas]

ps. Yes, all those of you recommending dual cores are out of your mind. Put that G2020 into far cry 3, crysis 3, BF3 MP, Tomb Raider or any newer game and see how that fares... yes, might do great at older games, but so would many other CPUs. Those of you with dual cores recommending it, enjoy your stuttering, you also made up your mind on it, live with it; just don't propagate lies.

I tried all the games you mentioned here except I played BF3 on SP only and everything except Crysis 3 (But I suspect it was gtx 550Ti that was dragging, I played on ultra) went smooth.

Another funny thing is that Intel G2020 is BETTER than the officially RECOMMENDED hardware for ALL of the games you have mentioned.

 

[Stuka87]

I tried all the games you mentioned here except I played BF3 on SP only and everything except Crysis 3 (But I suspect it was gtx 550Ti that was dragging, I played on ultra) went smooth.

Another funny thing is that Intel G2020 is BETTER than the officially RECOMMENDED hardware for ALL of the games you have mentioned.

How so? It is not a quad core. The games he mentioned all have quad cores listed as the recommended CPU.

And what is your definition of "smooth", we talking 60fps? As thats typically what smooth means. But I already know the answer to this if you played any of those on "Ultra" preset with a 550Ti.

 

[Rio Rebel]

I don't understand why you guys keep dishing advice. The OP didn't come for advice, he came for affirmation. He was expecting the "you did great", he didn't get it, he is not back.

ps. Yes, all those of you recommending dual cores are out of your mind. Put that G2020 into far cry 3, crysis 3, BF3 MP, Tomb Raider or any newer game and see how that fares... yes, might do great at older games, but so would many other CPUs. Those of you with dual cores recommending it, enjoy your stuttering, you also made up your mind on it, live with it; just don't propagate lies.

I always chuckle at how "gaming" always means the very latest games at the very highest settings, but "budget" always means 'suggest the minimum that *I* would want as long as it's within 2X his budget or so.'

I really don't know how you buy even an i3 with a motherboard and discrete legitimate graphics card for under $200. I am no expert, though, so his idea of going with a very peppy g2020 chip for the time being at 1024 or less graphics (and a nicely flexible upgrade path) sounds like a good one.

 

[alexruiz]

I always chuckle at how "gaming" always means the very latest games at the very highest settings, but "budget" always means 'suggest the minimum that *I* would want as long as it's within 2+ X his budget or so.'

I really don't know how you buy even an i3 with a motherboard and discrete legitimate graphics card for under $200. I am no expert, though, so his idea of going with a very peppy g2020 chip for the time being at 1024 or less graphics (and a nicely flexible upgrade path) sounds like a good one.

Those $200 are for CPU and GPU only, he stated it himself

If he was buying the board also, I would suggest a totally different route. FX6300 + HD7770 + AM3 mobo, call it a day even if it exceeded the $200 budget. Even if he is out of the USA, you can ALWAYS delay the purchase 1 or 2 weeks, get the additional $40 or $50 needed.

Budgets are to limit expenses, but in some cases, a budget readjustment makes much more sense, specially as here it would only be 25% max. Furthermore, being on a budget means upgrades won't come as often, hence why suggesting the better parts makes even more sense. It is not about playing the newest games at 2560 x 1400 max detail 16x MSAA HBAO, but rather to have the capability to play them at all. A G2020 won't play them.

FX6300 + HD7770 + AM3+ mobo would give him the best setup at the $250-$300 price point.

 

[Stuka87]

I always chuckle at how "gaming" always means the very latest games at the very highest settings, but "budget" always means 'suggest the minimum that *I* would want as long as it's within 2X his budget or so.'

I really don't know how you buy even an i3 with a motherboard and discrete legitimate graphics card for under $200. I am no expert, though, so his idea of going with a very peppy g2020 chip for the time being at 1024 or less graphics (and a nicely flexible upgrade path) sounds like a good one.

He specifically said he wanted to play games like FC3 and BF3. Both of which want a CPU with at least 4 threads.