G.Skill DDR2 800 HZ no longer have D9 Micron chip?

[69goat]

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
They're not using D9GMH anymore.
Want a more official confirmation ? Go to XtremeSystems Forums and post your question in the G.Skill Official Support section.
G.S.Technician aka G.Skill's technician from G.Skill's HQ will reply to you, just like I did, with the same answer, no longer D9

hmm isnt this interesting.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=152343
lol

 

[BenchZowner]

Yeah like saying that they started using D9GMH again ?
You can still get a kit with other chips, if the shop has some old batches.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
Yeah like saying that they started using D9GMH again ?
You can still get a kit with other chips, if the shop has some old batches.

According to G.Skill every set used Micron D9 but just lower speed and cheaper versions. Every set with the Black PCB is guaranteed to be D9GMH.

 

[JustaGeek]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
Yeah like saying that they started using D9GMH again ?
You can still get a kit with other chips, if the shop has some old batches.

According to G.Skill every set used Micron D9 but just lower speed and cheaper versions. Every set with the Black PCB is guaranteed to be D9GMH.

I would rather use cheaper Micron D9's than the top of the line Promos IC's.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: JustaGeek

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
Yeah like saying that they started using D9GMH again ?
You can still get a kit with other chips, if the shop has some old batches.

According to G.Skill every set used Micron D9 but just lower speed and cheaper versions. Every set with the Black PCB is guaranteed to be D9GMH.

I would rather use cheaper Micron D9's than the top of the line Promos IC's.

exactly my point. So here's what it looks like.

If you have the old style heatspreader with green PCB you have either D9GMH or some other form of D9. What this means is that DDR2-1000 4-4-4-12 is not guaranteed. You may need 5-5-5-12 or 5-5-5-15 and they will top out at a lower overclock or take more voltage to do it (lifespan decreased). Every set with the black PCB and new heatspreader design is D9GMH again which means DDR2-1000 4-4-4-12 is very possible and I've seen up to DDR2-1200 on certain boards at 5-5-5-15.

edit: I asked the G.Skill tech over at XS what voltage was safe for overclocking. He said "Don't go over 2.4v and please use active cooling." So I'm guessing that anything under 2.4 is considered safe limits although I don't know that I'd want to run 2.4v 24/7

 

[drakore]

i believe these sticks have switched to Promos chips

Promos are similar to microns except that have a voltage regulator on board so it limits the overclocks... they are decent chips for standard use... just not the greatest overclockers

 

[JustaGeek]

There goes another one with "I believe", "Apparently" and "Someone has told me".

If someone makes an "accusatory" statement of this nature, they should show the proof - a picture of the module with the proof of the date, an official statement by G.Skill, a review by a reputable source etc.

So far there has been a lot of "hear-say", but no one has actually proven anything. Even G.Skill officials confirm that these modules contain the D9 IC's.

What's wrong with all the people trying to prove that G.Skill is not a good memory...?

Just buy it, overclock it, and come back here to voice your opinions.

Thank you.

 

[BenchZowner]

I have a friend with 6400HZ that aren't using D9 chips, but he won't let me pop his heatspreaders off ( he wants his warranty you know ).
G.Skill's rep admitted that they used different ICs ( non Micron ) in some batches.

 

[JustaGeek]

Here we go again...

Names, dates, links... I still can't see that!

"Hear-say", my friend, is not a proof.

Why don't you just get a pair and test it, BenchZowner...

But please... don't be biased, be objective...

And please - show me one person that owns the HZ modules and has any complains.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
I have a friend with 6400HZ that aren't using D9 chips, but he won't let me pop his heatspreaders off ( he wants his warranty you know ).
G.Skill's rep admitted that they used different ICs ( non Micron ) in some batches.

No...ask over at xtrememsystems.org

Gskill rep said all HZ are D9 but not all were D9GMH (they have other varieties of Micron D9 you know...)

 

[BenchZowner]

Here you go then cmdrdredd... XbitLabs had a 6400-2GBHZ kit with Elpida ICs http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl.../ddr2-800_5.html#sect0

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
Here you go then cmdrdredd... XbitLabs had a 6400-2GBHZ kit with Elpida ICs http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl.../ddr2-800_5.html#sect0

Green PCB...ask about that over at xs...you need black PCB for D9 guarantee (they are all D9 now).

 

[BenchZowner]

So when I order a kit from XYZBRBSOPAK shop over the net even if they don't want to check the product for me or they don't have any, I'll command them to send me a black pcb set....

Why should I bother into this hassle, when I can simply order a high-binned Ballistix PC2-6400 D9GMH kit for the same price without worrying about the ICs on it at all ?

 

[JustaGeek]

This is becoming kinda ridiculous, with no other reason behind it, other than proving the point.

The review above is very old, and the original batches did, in fact, use Elpida IC's.

I would rather hear some legitimate complaints from disappointed users, unable to use these modules, or unable to overclock them.

It appears to me that this particular RAM is extremely flexible, with people with different degrees of knowledge being able just to put them in, and use them without issues. Reviews from the end users, especially the ones with limited knowledge, are the best prove that this is the RAM to buy.

I wish the same could be said about the other major companies, including Crucial, Corsair and Kingston.

 

[BenchZowner]

It appears to me that this particular RAM is extremely flexible, with people with different degrees of knowledge being able just to put them in, and use them without issues.

So you're just saying that if you buy the X RAM from the Y manufacturer you might not get it to work without doing anything, while with the Z RAM from A manufacturer all you have to do is plug it in ?

Ermm...nope, SPD is a common thing, not a G.Skill's limited feature.
Unless there's a very very bad programmed SPD or a incompatibility with the motherboard, the same will happen with any stick.

I can plug in any of the memory kits that I have here on the Asus Commando and use them directly without touching anything...and you know how many memory kits I have here, don't ya.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
So when I order a kit from XYZBRBSOPAK shop over the net even if they don't want to check the product for me or they don't have any, I'll command them to send me a black pcb set....

Why should I bother into this hassle, when I can simply order a high-binned Ballistix PC2-6400 D9GMH kit for the same price without worrying about the ICs on it at all ?

because the only GSkill set sold now is Black PCB...

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
So you're just saying that if you buy the X RAM from the Y manufacturer you might not get it to work without doing anything, while with the Z RAM from A manufacturer all you have to do is plug it in ?

Ermm...nope, SPD is a common thing, not a G.Skill's limited feature.
Unless there's a very very bad programmed SPD or a incompatibility with the motherboard, the same will happen with any stick.

I can plug in any of the memory kits that I have here on the Asus Commando and use them directly without touching anything...and you know how many memory kits I have here, don't ya.

he's talking about overclocking. Try buying a set of OCZ for the same price as the GSkill set and get the same exact overclock results. You won't, period.

BTW: EVERY G.Skill HZ is D9 guaranteed...that's right Guaranteed. The Green PCB was the original release before the Micron D9GMH IC was available.

 

[BenchZowner]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
So you're just saying that if you buy the X RAM from the Y manufacturer you might not get it to work without doing anything, while with the Z RAM from A manufacturer all you have to do is plug it in ?

Ermm...nope, SPD is a common thing, not a G.Skill's limited feature.
Unless there's a very very bad programmed SPD or a incompatibility with the motherboard, the same will happen with any stick.

I can plug in any of the memory kits that I have here on the Asus Commando and use them directly without touching anything...and you know how many memory kits I have here, don't ya.

he's talking about overclocking. Try buying a set of OCZ for the same price as the GSkill set and get the same exact overclock results. You won't, period.

BTW: EVERY G.Skill HZ is D9 guaranteed...that's right Guaranteed. The Green PCB was the original release before the Micron D9GMH IC was available.

I will take this in a funny way...because it's funny.

G.Skill F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ
Price: 130$

Crucial Ballistix PC2-6400
Price: 125$
Cheaper, and high binned nowadays.

Corsair Dominator 8500, 140$ [ not newegg sorry ]
high binned as well.

As for your overclocking claims...please this one was hilarious, and it's not reality.
It's all about the chips and your luck ( let's say that your overclocking skills are great )
Unless you're so sure about your 6400 HZ ( that you're fighting over like it's your company ) and you want me to get those three pairs and compare them in a review, retail kits from a shop, clean fight.

Do you still want to say what you said previously about overclocking ?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: BenchZowner

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
So you're just saying that if you buy the X RAM from the Y manufacturer you might not get it to work without doing anything, while with the Z RAM from A manufacturer all you have to do is plug it in ?

Ermm...nope, SPD is a common thing, not a G.Skill's limited feature.
Unless there's a very very bad programmed SPD or a incompatibility with the motherboard, the same will happen with any stick.

I can plug in any of the memory kits that I have here on the Asus Commando and use them directly without touching anything...and you know how many memory kits I have here, don't ya.

he's talking about overclocking. Try buying a set of OCZ for the same price as the GSkill set and get the same exact overclock results. You won't, period.

BTW: EVERY G.Skill HZ is D9 guaranteed...that's right Guaranteed. The Green PCB was the original release before the Micron D9GMH IC was available.

I will take this in a funny way...because it's funny.

G.Skill F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ
Price: 130$

Crucial Ballistix PC2-6400
Price: 125$
Cheaper, and high binned nowadays.

Corsair Dominator 8500, 140$ [ not newegg sorry ]
high binned as well.

As for your overclocking claims...please this one was hilarious, and it's not reality.
It's all about the chips and your luck ( let's say that your overclocking skills are great )
Unless you're so sure about your 6400 HZ ( that you're fighting over like it's your company ) and you want me to get those three pairs and compare them in a review, retail kits from a shop, clean fight.

Do you still want to say what you said previously about overclocking ?

I have personally taken 2GB of GSkill HZ to DDR2-1200 at 2.3v 5-5-5-15 on a Asus Commando.

Crucial does not bin their memory. I asked them about it and they don't bin. They test for stability at rated voltage/Mhz/timings and label them accordingly.

If you hate Gskill good for you, but get out of this thread cause you're posting false info about their kits.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=148715

DDR2-1200 at 5-4-4-8 on Asus P5B Deluxe (not even the best memory clocking mobo).

 

[BenchZowner]

So this is a e-penis fight ?
Ok then...let's give it a go then!
Screw the 6400 HZ, my Super Talent T1000UX2G5 are benchable at DDR2-1376 5-5-5-15 on the Commando.
Is that good enough ?
Or do you need to see my friends' 6400 2GBHZ reviewed and see what they got just for your own G.Skill satisfaction ?

And for your sake ( not God's ) don't you ever say again that I'm fookin biased against G.Skill because I'm not.
If you don't like me then congrats, but I refuse to go with the marketing bullcrap or fanboyism and suggest the 6400 HZ instead of the Ballistix at the moment.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I would hope that a DDR2-1000 kit can clock higher than a DDR2-800 kit, but what voltages are you using?

BTW: you said they (GSkill HZ)didn't use D9...they do. /end

 

[BenchZowner]

BTW I said that they didn't use D9 exclusively, and it's true.
/end now.

Voltages ? @ DDR2-1376 I used only 2.35V ( real measured with DMM )

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: BenchZowner
BTW I said that they didn't use D9 exclusively, and it's true.
/end now.

Voltages ? @ DDR2-1376 I used only 2.35V ( real measured with DMM )

They only use D9 now period. Past is past.