FX600-GLN vs ENS-0560G vs OZC powerstream 520

[Nlight95]

Gosh, now I have a scratch that needs itching... :laugh:

I'm also looking for a decent power supply to replace my venerated Enermax Whisper EG465P-VE 430w unit.

After some research at Hexus, Anandtech, Club Overclocker, johnnyGuru, and many different forums, I've narrowed down my selection to two choices:

FSP Group (Fortron Source) FX600-GLN 600w
SILVERSTONE SST-ST60F 600w

The Silverstone is $20 more than the FSP but is modular.

Would either of these have enough oomph for the following setup? Or should I choose another?

Lian Li PC61 case with 4 80mm fans, + ps fan(s)
Crossfire 3200 mb
A64 3000 oc'ed to 2653 core (1.60v)
2x1GB DDR500 with possibly another 2GB later
Two SATAII drives in RAID0 with a third SATA drive for backup/archiving/imaging
FDD, DVD burner, CD burner
Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS
5 USB peripherals (Keyboard, mouse, 2 printers + scanner)
Enough reserve current/power for two X1900XTX cards in the future

FYI: Currently the case has pretty good ventilation with average temps around 30C. CPU currently idles at 31 and peaks at 44-45 after running Stress Prime for 8 hours.

 

[Howard]

Both should be able to handle that rig (don't remember the ST60F's current rating off the top of my head).

 

[Nlight95]

Originally posted by: Howard
Both should be able to handle that rig (don't remember the ST60F's current rating off the top of my head).

I tried the Extreme Outervision PSU guide but it seemed to put my power requirements quite high, around 560w. And that's with only one video card.

Here are the specs:

• Single Processor
  Athlon 64 3000+ venice 1.40v
  100% TDP (wasn't sure what to set this to)
  Overclocked CPU @2346MHz, 1.60v; wattage=114
  4 sticks DDR SDRAM
  Vid card= currently one X1800XT (700/1600) but another simlar one down the road
  Type =Crossfire
  3 SATA II drives
  CD-RW, DVD-RW, FDD
  Motherboard, keyboard, mouse
  PSU Utilization=100% (didn't know what to set this to)
  Capacitor Aging=same as above (??)
  Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
  3 USB devices
  Firewire used on ooccaisonal basis but not frequently
  Fan controller
  5 80mm case fans

I left surge protection & cap aging unselected.

This gave me a figure of 559W but I know of people with just as many peripherals and a pair of X1900XTs or 7900GTXs get by fine with less power (using an OCZ Powerstream 520w, for example).

So I don't understand the numbers. Perhaps I'm not plugging in some values correctly. I want a PSU that will more than meet the minimum specs because I know I'll be adding more devices in the future.

Any ideas?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: aqlumen

Originally posted by: Howard
Both should be able to handle that rig (don't remember the ST60F's current rating off the top of my head).

I tried the Extreme Outervision PSU guide but it seemed to put my power requirements quite high, around 560w. And that's with only one video card.

Here are the specs:

• Single Processor
  Athlon 64 3000+ venice 1.40v
  100% TDP (wasn't sure what to set this to)
  Overclocked CPU @2346MHz, 1.60v; wattage=114
  4 sticks DDR SDRAM
  Vid card= currently one X1800XT (700/1600) but another simlar one down the road
  Type =Crossfire
  3 SATA II drives
  CD-RW, DVD-RW, FDD
  Motherboard, keyboard, mouse
  PSU Utilization=100% (didn't know what to set this to)
  Capacitor Aging=same as above (??)
  Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
  3 USB devices
  Firewire used on ooccaisonal basis but not frequently
  Fan controller
  5 80mm case fans

I left surge protection & cap aging unselected.

This gave me a figure of 559W but I know of people with just as many peripherals and a pair of X1900XTs or 7900GTXs get by fine with less power (using an OCZ Powerstream 520w, for example).

So I don't understand the numbers. Perhaps I'm not plugging in some values correctly. I want a PSU that will more than meet the minimum specs because I know I'll be adding more devices in the future.

Any ideas?

Choosing Crossfire means there are 2 video cards.

 

[Nlight95]

Choosing Crossfire means there are 2 video cards.

I only chose Crossfire because that is the type of mb I intend to purchase but will only be running one card initially.

My mistake on the overclock. It's 2646MHz--not 2346--bumping the power up to 129w for 100% utilization. But the CPU is certainly not under 100% load all the time. How do I determine a realistic TDP?

After changing the overclock value and removing Crossfire I ended up with 445w. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I have seen many posters with considerably more hardware (like 2 raptors in RAID0 & two vid card cards in SLI) with just a 500-550w ps, and no reported stability problems. Either they're lying or some figures are off somewhere.

What are your comments on this article?

http://www.extremetech.com/print_article2/0,1217,a=172570,00.asp

Seems like the greatest emphasis for stability is on load balancing the psu, not necessarily a huge amount of current on the 12v rails.

Now I REALLY don't know which psu to purchase. Even some of the best (Antec, Seasonic, Thermaltake) failed the tests--and these were SLI-certified units! I don't feel like spending $200 on a psu only to have it run into problems or go obsolete in 2 years like my expensive Enermax.

p.s. If you hadn't noticed, the PCP&C 510w drive passed all tests, yet had the least amount of power of all the units.

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: you2
Johnny:


My build is initially:
1 mother board (probably epox sli)
1 hd
1 optical drive
2 pci cards (sound card and either cheapo scsi or tv tuner)
1 cpu
2gb ram
1 video card (proably 7900gt)
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Hum then why get a 600w psu. Well I might upgrade to a second video card which (if I did my math correctly) puts me over the limit of a 500w fortron.
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so in the intial build I would (or could) have 1 12v rail free if the power supply can handle this and then use it on the second graphic card if i ever go that route.

I dont think that you should be looking at 600w PSU's for that build... take a look at some of the Zippy and FSP 550w and 500w systems. The important thing with PSU's are the the 12v rails. Keep that in mind, and stay away from Aspire and Ultra.

 

[DidlySquat]

jonny are you like the guy from the movie "the guru" ?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: aqlumen

Choosing Crossfire means there are 2 video cards.

I only chose Crossfire because that is the type of mb I intend to purchase but will only be running one card initially.

My mistake on the overclock. It's 2646MHz--not 2346--bumping the power up to 129w for 100% utilization. But the CPU is certainly not under 100% load all the time. How do I determine a realistic TDP?

After changing the overclock value and removing Crossfire I ended up with 445w. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I have seen many posters with considerably more hardware (like 2 raptors in RAID0 & two vid card cards in SLI) with just a 500-550w ps, and no reported stability problems. Either they're lying or some figures are off somewhere.

445W ~= 33A required off +12V. There are quite a few 5xxW PSUs that supply 33A.

 

[you2]

btw ewize has the enhance back in stock @ 99. I went with the fortron @110 parly because ewiz was out of stock and partly because the fortron sounded like a nifty eng. job.

 

[Nlight95]

Originally posted by: you2
btw ewize has the enhance back in stock @ 99. I went with the fortron @110 parly because ewiz was out of stock and partly because the fortron sounded like a nifty eng. job.

They do? I don't see the Enhance on eWiz's web site any more. This was a direct link to it: https://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-EN0560G#

The Fortron is considerably more expensive and the PowerStream 520 doesn't have dual 12v rails, something I want for a future Crossfire setup, not to mention the total output is "only" 520W.

eWiz carries the Enhance ENS-0565 but it appears to not provide as much current on the 12v rails compared to the 560G.

 

[you2]

They had it in stock the day i made that post. The fortron was $112 (I had a coupon the day i ordered) - i think directon has it for $117. Well I guess they no longer have the enhance back in stock. However, the fortron is $112 @ ewiz. Not bad. Not sure if I would consider that considerably more expensive 🙂

 

[Luckyboy1]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817711002#DetailSpecs

 

[you2]

So the powerstream is around the same price as the fortron. I would contend from reviews tha the fortron is a better power supply with a niftier design - but I do not know this factually. However, that was one of the reasons I chose the fortron over the ozc (because I think it is a niftier design and performs better).

 

[Luckyboy1]

I'm not familiar with the "nifty" standards. Does 'nifty" have a stadrards and practices board of EE Engineeers? Does 'nifty" offer a 5 year warranty on their products with unsurpassed customer service?

I'm not asking this question to affect you, because you made up your mind long ago. I'm just trying to save some poor sap who's reading your nonsense some greif.

 

[JEDIYoda]

you1ll have to forgive luckyboy1......even when hes had his ass handed to him on a silver platter in other threads that are PSU related --he still tries to promote the OCZ brand........rofl

 

[you2]

I read that the ocz new psu is fortron epislon rebranded. Anyways - read the xbitlabs review of the epislon 700W. There are a few interesting features of the psu that makes it different than others in its class. This does not nec make it better just different.

 

[Luckyboy1]

I simply will no longer tolerate seeing the diahrrea that Galvanized, you and others spread like so much poor and brown art around here. All these companies are, are contractors and you bet your life they make it to OCZ specs or they can forget making it at all. The OCZ doesn't produce squeeling cap noise and has better quality fans. The parts are similar, but far from the same. It's like the difference in definition of lightning vs. lightning bug.

Each and every time I see your "Mine Kamph" type stuff posted around here, I'll call you out on it. the OCZ product offers a full 5 year warranty backed by unsurpassed customer service. The specs the advertise are realistic and responsible, constant duty specs at 50 C. Your offering simply does not hold up to reality and science.

 

[Luckyboy1]

I know of only two marketers of power supplies that spec their products on constant duty and at 50C or anything close to that and that's PC Power & Cooling and OCZ. I would love to have more choices than this. Does anyone know of any other companies that produce their specs on contant duty science rather than hopefull thinking and warm, pee in the pool thoughts?

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: Luckyboy1
I simply will no longer tolerate seeing the diahrrea that Galvanized, you and others spread like so much poor and brown art around here. All these companies are, are contractors and you bet your life they make it to OCZ specs or they can forget making it at all. The OCZ doesn't produce squeeling cap noise and has better quality fans. The parts are similar, but far from the same. It's like the difference in definition of lightning vs. lightning bug.

Each and every time I see your "Mine Kamph" type stuff posted around here, I'll call you out on it. the OCZ product offers a full 5 year warranty backed by unsurpassed customer service. The specs the advertise are realistic and responsible, constant duty specs at 50 C. Your offering simply does not hold up to reality and science.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
you1ll have to forgive luckyboy1......even when hes had his ass handed to him on a silver platter in other threads that are PSU related --he still tries to promote the OCZ brand........rofl

My, my, my, how quickly our allegiances change. In any case, there's nothing wrong with OCZ.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: aqlumen

Originally posted by: you2
btw ewize has the enhance back in stock @ 99. I went with the fortron @110 parly because ewiz was out of stock and partly because the fortron sounded like a nifty eng. job.

They do? I don't see the Enhance on eWiz's web site any more. This was a direct link to it: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-EN0560G#"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-EN0560G#">https://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-EN0560G#</a></a>

the PowerStream 520 doesn't have dual 12v rails, something I want for a future Crossfire setup

If anything, a single rail means less worry for multiple video card systems.

 

[AnandTech Moderator]

Originally posted by: Luckyboy1
I simply will no longer tolerate seeing the diahrrea that Galvanized, you and others spread like so much poor and brown art around here. ....

You will find doing so difficult if you don't tone down your attacks and rhetoric. That's because you will not be posting here anymore. Understand?

 

[Luckyboy1]

You seem to be reserving the tone down stuff unevenly here. As a result, let me beat you to the punch by letting everyone know that Galvanized and the rest of the whiners have won and I resign from this sad state of biased cencorship. If allowed and I'm not feeling like vomiting at the thought of posting here in a few months and you are willing to take me back, I'll try again. If not, no great loss to you or me, so never fear me trying to post here under another name or from a different IP address, because that's just plain bad form and I simply will not do it!

Bye kids, have fun storming the castle!

A quote from the movie, "The Princess Bride" that I feel is appropriate at this point.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
you1ll have to forgive luckyboy1......even when hes had his ass handed to him on a silver platter in other threads that are PSU related --he still tries to promote the OCZ brand........rofl

My, my, my, how quickly our allegiances change. In any case, there's nothing wrong with OCZ.

Actually Howard this wasn`t an allegiance issue at all!!

I for one still believe the same way.

But based solely an the question the OP was asking any of those 3 will suffice for the OP.

In all fairness of the 3 PSU`s mentions the OCZ would be my last choice.

But it will still do the job!

I try to cut through all the crap concerning different brand CAPs. Also concerning people who think that rebadged PSU`s are ALL totally 100% bad,,,etc
Also concerning the price of PSU`s....etc...

We actually have smart people who tend to go over board and have no clue what the following words mean-- As long as you are happy then thats all that matters!

How do the these three psu compare against either other?

From what I have read this is the way I see them:

OZC powerstream 520: most expensive (130-140) high efficiency quiet.
FX600-GLN middle price (117) very high efficiency
ENS-0560G: loud - least efficiency (75%) least expensive (110)

However - that's what I gather from reviews - anyone have an authorative
opinion ?

yet we have people who are mistaken when they say ER rating is everything etc etc...

Finally the OP asked how do these PSU`s compare against each other....

So again no change of loyalties.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
you1ll have to forgive luckyboy1......even when hes had his ass handed to him on a silver platter in other threads that are PSU related --he still tries to promote the OCZ brand........rofl

My, my, my, how quickly our allegiances change. In any case, there's nothing wrong with OCZ.

Actually Howard this wasn`t an allegiance issue at all!!

No, no, I was talking about how you used to back Luckyboy1 up in arguments and the like. Maybe my memory is off, but that's how I used to remember it.

Also concerning people who think that rebadged PSU`s are ALL totally 100% bad,,,etc
Also concerning the price of PSU`s....etc...

Really, I don't think there's anybody who says all rebadged PSUs are bad. It's just that the fact that rebadged PSUs are almost always the same as the OEM PSUs means that it's simply not a good financial decision to buy a rebadged PSU if there's something exactly like it, for less money. Sorry about the run-on sentence.