FX 8370 Review

[ShintaiDK]

You dont keep the same hardware for 5 years, why use that example ??

Why suffer with slwoer hardware when there is no saving?

From how things are going, the FX will be faster in the future than dual or quad Intel CPUs. I bought my FX8350 two years ago, couple of months after i bought my Core i7 3770K. Both maintain the same performance they had two years ago. And as things are going (mantle, DX-12 etc) the FX will need to be replaced the same time as my 3770K.

Not to mention that i can play exactly the same games at the exactly the same settings on both of them. So no, the FX will not last less even than more expensive Intel CPUs.

Oh really. Are you sure? Its been the same story since the Phenom X6 series. So when is this going to happen? When is the FX going to be faster?

So buy slower and inefficient now, in hope that the future may change?

 

[Abwx]

Looking on sales, its also obvious that the wast majority think so

I would be curious, have you some hard numbers.?.

Personaly all i have are gross speculations but i estimate, grossly as said, that the AM3+ CPUs sell five times more than the S2011 CPUs, of course the price bracket is not the same.

Oh really. Are you sure? Its been the same story since the Phenom X6 series. So when is this going to happen? When is the FX going to be faster?

So buy slower and inefficient now, in hope that the future may change?

Hardware.fr just updated a few benches of their suite since they were still using things as Winrar 4.0, this resulted in the 8350 increasing its advance in the average score by 10% over the 4670K and as they said not evertything on their bench suite is correctly multithreaded, some softs that are supposed to are somewhat lacking in this department.

 

[AtenRa]

And no, electricity is the most expensive way to heat a home if thats your next argument.

I use Pellets not electricity.
But my initial argument was that having 100W extra heat from the FX PC will allow you to spend less for heating the house in winter (any kind of heating). Capisce ??

 

[AtenRa]

Oh really. Are you sure?

I have them both, im 100% sure

So when is this going to happen? When is the FX going to be faster?

It doesnt have to be faster, they both play the same Games at the same settings and the FX was cheaper. It will mature the same as the Core i7 3770K. Its not that difficult to understand really

All next gen games are using Game Engines that utilize more than 4 threads, add Mantle and DX-12 and the FX will be fine for two or more years easily.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I would be curious, have you some hard numbers.?.

Personaly all i have are gross speculations but i estimate, grossly as said, that the AM3+ CPUs sell five times more than the S2011 CPUs, of course the price bracket is not the same.

Apples and oranges segment wise.

What is AMDs marketshare again?

 

[ShintaiDK]

I have them both, im 100% sure

It doesnt have to be faster, they both play the same Games at the same settings and the FX was cheaper. It will mature the same as the Core i7 3770K. Its not that difficult to understand really

All next gen games are using Game Engines that utilize more than 4 threads, add Mantle and DX-12 and the FX will be fine for two more years or more easily.

The 3770K can push higher FPS and keep higher minimums. There is no way your FX will mature more gracefully and somehow catch up. Unless you get whole new type of software that somehow scales very well to 8 cores. And thats not going to happen in their lifespans. Historically the slower weaker CPU ahve also always matured worse than the other. K8 vs P4 is another example there. There is no magic fix waiting for the FX, just like there was no magic fix for the P4.

 

[Qwertilot]

Wildly off topic of course, but Denmark (and all the Scandinavian countries really) are doing quite nicely out of all the efficiency stuff

They're also incredibly organised about it on a collective level, so would do things like building lots of super efficient housing so you can have less power stations on a country wide level. The whole mind set is about as different to America (or Greece I'd expect) as can be imagined.

 

[Abwx]

Apples and oranges segment wise.

What is AMDs marketshare again?

6 months ago market share of the FX was about 10% of the desktop market.

It will mature the same as the Core i7 3770K.

All next gen games are using Game Engines that utilize more than 4 threads, add Mantle and DX-12 and the FX will be fine for two or more years easily.

It will mature better, the 4C/4T are already more or less maxed out as shown by Hardware.fr, the 8 threads CPUs have some reserve left by the virtue of the remaining threads capability but where one has Hyperthreading in reserve the other one has full cores.

Btw, set apart the 990 serie what are the other AMD chipsets that work with the FX?

I did read the 890G wich has an IGP but do the 780/790 series work as well.?.

 

[ShintaiDK]

6 months ago market share of the FX was about 10% of the desktop market.

AMDs marketshare? Because its not total.

AMD stated quite some time ago that AM3+ chips accounted for 30% of their sales. And FX chips will only be a part of that. And 8 cores even less.

 

[Erenhardt]

280mm insulation in walls? Im rolling on the floor right now. How about 120 in best case scenario? Funny we went so far offtopic, talking about super energy efficient housing, but forget about 3.0 L cars we drive (double that since it is US forum ).

I enjoyed the additional heat from mining cryptos </OT>

 

[frozentundra123456]

Fifty bucks over a year is inconsequential imo. My bill varies month to month up and down fifteen or twenty bucks. I couldn't track fifty a year if I had to.

Not that I totally disagree about starting from scratch right now, just don't think the power bit is good for anything other than arguing for the sake of arguing.

If 50.00 per year in power savings is inconsequential, then the extra 50.00 or even 100.0 extra for the initial purchase of an i5 should be considered inconsequential as well. So then you might as well get the overall faster processor, which is the i5.

 

[ShintaiDK]

280mm insulation in walls? Im rolling on the floor right now. How about 120 in best case scenario? Funny we went so far offtopic, talking about super energy efficient housing, but forget about 3.0 L cars we drive (double that since it is US forum ).

I enjoyed the additional heat from mining cryptos </OT>

3L cars?

http://www.bilimp.dk/statistics/index.asp

You can see year, models, manufactor etc.

 

[Abwx]

AMDs marketshare? Because its not total.

I though the topic is the FX, hence if market share is a concern and to be discussed it should be about this CPU marketshare, what is the relevance of APUs when discussing the FX..???.

AMD stated quite some time ago that AM3+ chips accounted for 30% of their sales.

Hence my speculations, this would amount to about 20 millions FX, to be compared to Intel wich has 99% of their CPUs with an integrated IGP, wich point to 3-4 millions S2011 CPUs if Peddie Research is right in his numbers, that s a big chunk of their sales and it s likely that it account for at least half of their CPU/APU revenues.

 

[Abwx]

If 50.00 per year in power savings is inconsequential, then the extra 50.00 or even 100.0 extra for the initial purchase of an i5 should be considered inconsequential as well. So then you might as well get the overall faster processor, which is the i5.

What is inconsequential is to make theories out of a number extracted from nowhere by someone who use stretched datas, what if it is 15$.?.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I though the topic is the FX, hence if market share is a concern and to be discussed it should be about this CPU marketshare, what is the relevance of APUs when discussing the FX..???.



Hence my speculations, this would amount to about 20 millions FX, to be compared to Intel wich has 99% of their CPUs with an integrated IGP, wich point to 3-4 millions S2011 CPUs if Peddie Research is right in his numbers, that s a big chunk of their sales and it s likely that it account for at least half of their CPU/APU revenues.

The 30% number is quite some time ago. And AMD did sell more than the FX series for the AM3 platform back then. Also the 8 core may never even have broken 1 million per year in sales.

LGA2011 is a completely different league outside AMDs reach.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Wildly off topic of course, but Denmark (and all the Scandinavian countries really) are doing quite nicely out of all the efficiency stuff

They're also incredibly organised about it on a collective level, so would do things like building lots of super efficient housing so you can have less power stations on a country wide level. The whole mind set is about as different to America (or Greece I'd expect) as can be imagined.

This is getting slightly OT, but I'll respond anyway.

You also have keep in mind that we're a very small country, to give a comparison to Americans we're larger then the state of Maryland, but smaller then West Virginia in area. What's more is that there are only 5.6m Danes. This is something people have a tendency to forget.

This means that these kind of changes are "easily" implemented compared to countries with larger area and populations.

 

[ShintaiDK]

This is getting slightly OT, but I'll respond anyway.

You also have keep in mind that we're a very small country, to give a comparison to Americans we're larger then the state of Maryland, but smaller then West Virginia in area. What's more is that there are only 5.6m Danes. This is something people have a tendency to forget.

This means that these kind of changes are "easily" implemented compared to countries with larger area and populations.

As a chinese would tell you. Its just a number and completely irrelevant. There is simply no excuse. It doesnt matter if there is 1M people or 1B. Its the exact same job.

The only difference is culture, information and education.

 

[SlowSpyder]

We pay 0.4x$ here. Thats already over 50$ in your example as a TCO penalty per year to select the inferiour product that also needs replacement much faster. There is zero incentive in any way to pick the FX platform.

And I pay $.17. If you pay a lot for electric, then the power saving matters more. I get that and am not arguing anything contrary to that. But I think most people here pay quite a bit less than you. And I also am willing to bet most people don't game five hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.

And as I've brought up before, depending on where you live that extra heat energy isn't completely wasted.

So to me the energy use thing, for most people, is an issue only on computer forums. But in a practical real world way it is meaningless.

It does mean that the same cooler would have to work harder at times to keep temps down, so it could be noisier depending on your set up. My CPU fans aren't temp controlled, they are on a fan controller at a constant speed, so it doesn't matter what I have under the CPU block, it won't get louder.

That would be an interesting test to me, to see the same cooler put on an Intel and AMD FX CPU to see what the noise difference is due to the extra power on a given heatsink/fan combo. My guess is as long as the cooler has enough capacity, it will be another 'issue only on computer forums'.

 

[Abwx]

The 30% number is quite some time ago. And AMD did sell more than the FX series for the AM3 platform back then. Also the 8 core may never even have broken 1 million per year in sales.

LGA2011 is a completely different league outside AMDs reach.

A 9xx chipset combo must be in the 15$ at most, these were amortized RD wise a long time ago since they were devoted to the Phenom line IIRC, as for the FX it should sell relatively well otherwise they wouldnt bother releasing thoses parts, the 8370E is particularly adequate because lot of AM3 users are restricted to 95W plateforms that seems to use cheap chipsets like the 760GM, (hence my question to Atenra if thoses are officialy supported) in MBs that date back from 2011.

http://fr.msi.com/support/mb/760GMP23_FX.html#support-cpu

The 8 core is surely the best seller, FX4XXX are rare and the FX6xxx surely enjoyed a timely success due to a quite low price but overall in France the 8XXX has the biggest user base of all three SKUs, shouldnt be different in other countries, people here have not more money to pour in theses items, hence the sucess of thoses processors, as for the numbers,it was at least 30% last quarter as FM2/FM2+ CPUs are not common.

Ninety nine percent of Intel&#8217;s non-server processors have graphics, and over 65% of AMD&#8217;s non-server processors contain integrated graphics

http://jonpeddie.com/publications/market_watch/

 

[pw257008]

As a chinese would tell you. Its just a number and completely irrelevant. There is simply no excuse. It doesnt matter if there is 1M people or 1B. Its the exact same job.

The only difference is culture, information and education.

Uh, what does China have to do with this? lol

 

[ShintaiDK]

Uh, what does China have to do with this? lol

Just saying its an illusion than higher population numbers should be a barrier. If anything, it makes its easier since you can devote more ressources to it.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Well, that explains your little obsession with power figures. It still baffles me that people that bash FX proccesors dont know you can have the power consumption in check with the correct pstate control software. Well, probably the same kind of people that went full "OMFG LOOK AT THAT IDLE POWER CONSUMPTION, IVFR BEST DESIGN DECISION EVAH!!!one!!eleventy" with Haswell reviews, when it is really because the geniuses at intel finally figured out 800mhz was good enough for a idle pstate clock (and a accordingly low vcore to accompany it, obviously), instead of 1600mhz.

Yup, I'm willing to bet many posters here going on about efficiency don't touch idle voltage/speeds (or the voltage used at incremental speed steps) but have no problem overclocking and overvolting... then post on a forum about how the FX CPU's aren't efficient enough.

 

[mrmt]

The 30% number is quite some time ago. And AMD did sell more than the FX series for the AM3 platform back then. Also the 8 core may never even have broken 1 million per year in sales.

LGA2011 is a completely different league outside AMDs reach.

Not only that, but the bulk of iGPU-less CPUs from AMD aren't AM3+, but FMx CPUs. Those are the real high volume parts. AMD would have been bankrupt already if FX accounted for 30% of their sales at any time.

 

[NTMBK]

Not only that, but the bulk of iGPU-less CPUs from AMD aren't AM3+, but FMx CPUs. Those are the real high volume parts.

Any evidence for that? AMD offers only a tiny handful of FM2(+) CPUs with disabled IGPs, targeting only a single niche. I don't think I've ever seen an OEM machine using one of them.

 

[Abwx]

Any evidence for that? AMD offers only a tiny handful of FM2(+) CPUs with disabled IGPs, targeting only a single niche. I don't think I've ever seen an OEM machine using one of them.

Last quarter there was 5 SKUs, not exactly a strong offer, the current portfolio has increased by a single unity, at least for what is available publicly.

http://www.ldlc.com/informatique/pi...c4300/+fv579-10021,8324+fv160-8082,10159.html

Edit : 15 days for the 860K...