fx 8320/6300 on an ssd vs 3570k on an hdd

[The Alias]

considering amd chips plus the ssd would amount to about the 3570k's price which do you think would perform better an 8320/6300 with an ssd or an 3570k with an hdd ?

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://www.microcenter.com/product/401796/FX_8320_Black_Edition_35GHz_AM3_Boxed_Processor

http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_LGA_1155_Processor

Just buy at MC and they cost the same.

Also you forgot to mention the sizes. And the usage.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

considering amd chips plus the ssd would amount to about the 3570k's price which do you think would perform better an 8320/6300 with an ssd or an 3570k with an hdd ?

If you refer to "snappiness" and perceived speed the 8320/6300 will be better with an SSD. For absolute performance the 3570K is better...

 

[The Alias]

http://www.microcenter.com/product/401796/FX_8320_Black_Edition_35GHz_AM3_Boxed_Processor

http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_LGA_1155_Processor

Just buy at MC and they cost the same.

Also you forgot to mention the sizes. And the usage.

come on man you know alot of us don't have microcenters nearby

128 gb crucial m4 for windows, programs, and a few of your favorite games ( http://www.microcenter.com/product/...ATA_60Gb-s_25_Internal_Solid_State_Drive_(SSD) )

 

[The Alias]

If you refer to "snappiness" and perceived speed the 8320/6300 will be better with an SSD. For absolute performance the 3570K is better...

so which one would you prefer to use ?

 

[blckgrffn]

#1 - what do you use your PC for?

Games? Go Intel.

General usage? Now you need to compromise or spend more. Personally, I only do ssd builds anymore, for anyone. Even my Grandma has a 128 GB SSD.

Reliability and time to build them and surface them is my reason why. Plus, you don't really feel the difference between really fast CPUs and fast CPUs when browsing the web or using Word, but you notice the SSD in those cases.

My $.02. "Perform better" is way to ambiguous. Get more done? SSD. More FPS? Intel.

 

[The Alias]

#1 - what do you use your PC for?
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for me it's kind of both because I'm the type of guy that'll open like five different tabs on chrome inbetween bf3 rounds or playing mmos just to see the effect a certain attachment or skill is going to have on my character and I want the tabbing/chrome to be fast and have my game running at a reasonable fps when I exit out of chrome and tab back in game sooo yeah I'm weird in that regard lol

 

[inf64]

Go with an 8320 with an SSD. Better multitasking resources(CPU) and snappier system(thanks to SSD). What kind of GPU config you have? In single GPU systems 8320 ,especially with an easy 4.5Ghz OC , will be more than enough with high(er) end card.

 

[AtenRa]

Go with an 8320 with an SSD. Better multitasking resources(CPU) and snappier system(thanks to SSD). What kind of GPU config you have? In single GPU systems 8320 ,especially with an easy 4.5Ghz OC , will be more than enough with high(er) end card.

Yeap, i would go 6300/8320 and OC to 4GHz - 4.5GHz + SSD. For single GPU thats more than enough even for HD7970 GHz edition for the majority of the games at 1080p and above.

 

[fralexandr]

the fx-8320 should be able to handle battlefield 3 fine, and the SSD will make alt+tabbing in games more responsive (assuming the game allows for it and doesn't crash on you)
the only thing i might be worried about is starcraft 2 on ultra
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5

that said, you could always run bf3 in windowed mode, thus negating the need to have an SSD for alt+tabbing
the i5 3570k is better at games, and uses ~half the power of the 8320 at load (even more exaggerated if overclocking)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/8

 

[beginner99]

If you go ssd you also need to factor in at least like $60 (rather more) for a HDD for storage. 128 Gb will just not cut it unless you really only play the same 2 games all the time AND have 0 media files.

Once you start factoring in re-installing games or other maintenance tasks due to limited space on ssd you better go hdd in the first place. What I'm trying to say is that available space is also a pretty big consideration. with 128 GB you will have not much more than 100GB usable and of that you should leave 20% free (preferably) to ensure performance hence a 128 GB ssd in real life only has +/- 80 GB for usage.
If you use hibernate and have 16 GB of RAM Windows will block 16 GB for hibernation file...

for desktop 128 gb ssd + hdd is the best options and if you can't save the like $120 for the ssd I guess I don't consider it important enough. Compared to a smoker I probably save 1 ssd every 1-2 weeks...You see what I mean.

 

[The Alias]

Go with an 8320 with an SSD. Better multitasking resources(CPU) and snappier system(thanks to SSD). What kind of GPU config you have? In single GPU systems 8320 ,especially with an easy 4.5Ghz OC , will be more than enough with high(er) end card.

I'm planning on springing for a 7870 idk tho I haven't seen much in the way of overclocking reviews with the 12.11 drivers I'm just trying to get a system that does what I specified above @1080p as cheaply as possible with christmas coming up and me and my girl getting a nexus 7 and 10 (respectively) so being frugal is a huge must

 

[AtenRa]

I'm planning on springing for a 7870 idk tho I haven't seen much in the way of overclocking reviews with the 12.11 drivers I'm just trying to get a system that does what I specified above @1080p as cheaply as possible with christmas coming up and me and my girl getting a nexus 7 and 10 (respectively) so being frugal is a huge must

For BF3 MP get the 8320 and OC to 4GHz or above with default voltage if possible. 7870 will let you play at 1080p at mix of high and Ultra settings but dont use any AA because you will dive below the 60fps mark and believe me you dont want that in MP.

 

[Termie]

You might find this review of the FX-6300 helpful, which has more game testing than Anandtech's review - http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...57615-amd-vishera-fx-6300-fx-4300-review.html

Basically, it can beat a 3570k in certain applications, but definitely not games, in which it loses out badly. Overclocked to 4.8 it can almost match an i5-2400 in Skyrim.

So, are you building this for games or for everything else?

Also, I don't see the 8320 as an alternative here if you're trying to save money for an SSD. At $180, it's pretty close to an i5, and not in the same price bracket as the 6300.

 

[hokies83]

3570k Hands down a SSD can wait to later.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

3570k anyday

 

[The Alias]

You might find this review of the FX-6300 helpful, which has more game testing than Anandtech's review - http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...57615-amd-vishera-fx-6300-fx-4300-review.html

Basically, it can beat a 3570k in certain applications, but definitely not games, in which it loses out badly. Overclocked to 4.8 it can almost match an i5-2400 in Skyrim.

So, are you building this for games or for everything else?

Also, I don't see the 8320 as an alternative here if you're trying to save money for an SSD. At $180, it's pretty close to an i5, and not in the same price bracket as the 6300.

the thing is they were both on an ssd I have either the option of a 6300 with an ssd or a 3570k without one and no site has published benchmarks with that config . I get why but then again it would be helpful if they explored more options to increase price to performance

 

[Termie]

the thing is they were both on an ssd I have either the option of a 6300 with an ssd or a 3570k without one and no site has published benchmarks with that config . I get why but then again it would be helpful if they explored more options to increase price to performance

The only benchmarks that would change without an SSD would be PCMark7, in which a 6300+SSD would likely beat a 3570k. Everything else you can assume would perform very similarly configured without an SSD.

Remember, an SSD mostly helps with loading of applications or transitions between applications - once an application (or benchmark) is loaded, an SSD has almost no effect.

Again, you have to ask yourself, are you buying this primarily for games or primarily for general purpose use? The choices are clear - for gaming, absolutely 3570k, for general use, absolutely SSD (with just about any current >$100 CPU).

 

[AtenRa]

With the HD7870 at 1080p he will be GPU limited in the majority of the games, the 3570K will not help him except in Skyrim.

Even with the GTX670 in the Hardwarecanucks review, FX8350 is close to 3570K except again in Skyrim. In DIRT 3, FX6300 is as fast as 3570K and i can tell you for sure that in BF3 MP even with the FX4300 the HD7870 will be your limiting factor at 1080p.

 

[The Alias]

The only benchmarks that would change without an SSD would be PCMark7, in which a 6300+SSD would likely beat a 3570k. Everything else you can assume would perform very similarly configured without an SSD.

Remember, an SSD mostly helps with loading of applications or transitions between applications - once an application (or benchmark) is loaded, an SSD has almost no effect.

Again, you have to ask yourself, are you buying this primarily for games or primarily for general purpose use? The choices are clear - for gaming, absolutely 3570k, for general use, absolutely SSD (with just about any current >$100 CPU).

oh I just want to retain adequate gaming performance with loading times being as quick as possible I hate having my pc rendered useless because a bunch of programs are loading while a game is running

 

[Mallibu]

With the HD7870 at 1080p he will be GPU limited in the majority of the games, the 3570K will not help him except in Skyrim.

Even with the GTX670 in the Hardwarecanucks review, FX8350 is close to 3570K except again in Skyrim. In DIRT 3, FX6300 is as fast as 3570K and i can tell you for sure that in BF3 MP even with the FX4300 the HD7870 will be your limiting factor at 1080p.

Nope. He will be GPU limited in some games and CPU limited in some others. The others beeing not only Skyrim, but Starcraft 2, World of Warcraft, Shogun 2, Borderlands 2, bla bla http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8350_6.html#sect0

Some people just don't stop spreading their bias.

 

[Termie]

oh I just want to retain adequate gaming performance with loading times being as quick as possible I hate having my pc rendered useless because a bunch of programs are loading while a game is running

Then definitely go for an SSD. The Samsung 830 128GB has been on sale lately for $70-80, which is an excellent price and would fit in your budget with an FX-6300.

 

[podspi]

For people talking about space issues, I survive with a 64GB SSD without any problems.

My secret? Symlinks.

All my music, games, virtual machines, those are on spinning platters. The page file, hibernation file, OS, those are on the SSD, which seriously boost performance.

Another big thing I do make sure to do is have the HDs only sleep after an hour of inactivity, that way they don't spin down, which will be incredibly annoying if you don't (since the OS isn't on the drives).


I am sure it would be BETTER if I could just get a huge SSD, but this works cheaper and better. Most data is on the spinning platter, while the productivity apps (OS, Office, Browsers, Minecraft) are on the SSD.

 

[soccerballtux]

oh I just want to retain adequate gaming performance with loading times being as quick as possible I hate having my pc rendered useless because a bunch of programs are loading while a game is running

why would a bunch of programs be loading while a game is running?

At any rate, if you have enough ram, it should be able to do all of those at once no problem-- BF3 stays in ram, other programs thrash the HDD, BF3 not affeted...

 

[The Alias]

why would a bunch of programs be loading while a game is running?

At any rate, if you have enough ram, it should be able to do all of those at once no problem-- BF3 stays in ram, other programs thrash the HDD, BF3 not affeted...

because as I said earlier I like to look up stats for attachments and weapons inbetween rounds so I get an idea what things I'd like to try out before the next round