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jagec

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I think it would be the 9800 pro stock, but I'm pretty sure the 5900XT catches up when you start overclocking them.

Depends on the game of course...some games are faster on Nvidia.
 
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Well they are very very even. For the most part ATI dominates PS2.0 Games tho. Nvidia does OC better and is faster in the older games. Like Jagec said it depends on the game. Also its personal preference. Either card you get is plenty flast for right now. Unless you wanna invest in a nex gen card.

-Kevin
 
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I am going to show my nVidia bias here, yet again:
I would think a 9800Pro would beat a 5900XT in almost every game, by a fair amount at Far Cry, Wallet Raider: Angel of Sloppy Code, and Colin McCrae.
The 9800 Pro is a better all around card if you can afford either.

The question isn't fair though, as the 5900 XT was never meant to compete against the 9800Pro.

Switch it to 5900 Ultra and I'd say toss a coin.
 
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Rollo is right (oddly enough) absolutely no comparison here...9800 PRo will win every contest....but with a 5900 U...all should be square until AA/AF is turned on, at which point the ATI will once again win every test. :)
 
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Originally posted by: Rollo
I am going to show my nVidia bias here, yet again:
I would think a 9800Pro would beat a 5900XT in almost every game, by a fair amount at Far Cry, Wallet Raider: Angel of Sloppy Code, and Colin McCrae.
The 9800 Pro is a better all around card if you can afford either.

The question isn't fair though, as the 5900 XT was never meant to compete against the 9800Pro.

Switch it to 5900 Ultra and I'd say toss a coin.
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Rollo I didn't realise you live in Wisconsin, I was there last year and had a wonderful time! :)

BTW I agree with you about the 9800 Pro being faster than the 5900 XT!
 
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I definately agree with you in the last statement. However the 9800Pro does not beat the 5900XT in that much. It is more of a 60:40 ratio. I would go witht he 5900XT (as i did :) ) because i wanted to have VIVO (just to have it :) ) But the 5900XT is definately competition with the 9800PRO. However i will say the 9800Pro is a little faster (60:40)

-Kevin
 
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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I definately agree with you in the last statement. However the 9800Pro does not beat the 5900XT in that much. It is more of a 60:40 ratio. I would go witht he 5900XT (as i did :) ) because i wanted to have VIVO (just to have it :) ) But the 5900XT is definately competition with the 9800PRO. However i will say the 9800Pro is a little faster (60:40)

-Kevin
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You are crazy gamingfreak, the 9800pro laps the 5900XT. IMO, the 5900XT is one of the most overpriced cards for the performance. I wouldnt recommend that card to anyone. The 5900XT is more of a competitor to the 9700pro. The 9700pro still beats the 5900XT in most benches I've seen, especially at games like UT2K3/4.
 
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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I definately agree with you in the last statement. However the 9800Pro does not beat the 5900XT in that much. It is more of a 60:40 ratio. I would go witht he 5900XT (as i did :) ) because i wanted to have VIVO (just to have it :) ) But the 5900XT is definately competition with the 9800PRO. However i will say the 9800Pro is a little faster (60:40)

-Kevin
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ASUS's 9800 Pro has VIVO too.
 
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Basically it comes down to this: the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra blows the socks off the Radeon 9800 Pro when running OpenGL apps and ATI wins by a landslide running DirectX 9.0 apps. If your favourite games are mostly in OpenGL then the 5900 Ultra is the card you want and if your favourite games are mostly in DirextX 9.0 then ATI is the route to go.:beer:
 
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Take a look at Anandtechs 30 card round up. Its from a while back but nonetheless. The 5900XT is a LITTLE slower than the 9800Pro. The 9800 doesn't run laps around sh!t unless you compare it to something like a 5700 or 9600. As for 5900XT being over priced. HELL NO!!! That card and th e9800PRO are the best price performance cards on the makret. (of course with exceptions to the new gen). If you have some benches showing the 9800Pro running laps around anything do post. Like i said if you question me the 30card round up from anandtech is a perfect example. I would even say a little in Nvidia's favor.

-Kevin

btw there is no 5800xt. And wtf are you smoking. the 9800Pro does not destroy Nvidias entire current lineup.
 
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No i was talking about this:

Anandtech 20 Card Round Up

As you can see the 9800 series gets pummeled. It also is common knowledge that Tom's has a bias toward ATI. Seriously how the hell could a 9700Pro beat a 5950 Ultra. There is something wrong there!

-Kevin
 
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#1 none of those links are working. I dont get anything but ads.

#2 HL 2 is HEAVILY HEAVILY in favor of ATI cards. Has like no Nvidia optimizations. You would especially know that when a 9600 beats a 5950 Ultra. I mena cmon 4 pipeline slower clockspeed 128mb card beating 256bit memory (8 pipes) fast clocked card and 256mb of RAM. That is really F***** up.

-Kevin
 
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I was researching this a few months ago when my 9700 Pro died and found most reviews showing that the 5900XT was slower in the games I play then the 9700 Pro and that a 9800 Pro was 10 - 15% faster then a 9700 Pro, the price dif was about 30$ and not an issue for me so I went 9800 Pro.

Games I play: Quake 3 (fps obviously not an issue in this one), UT2K4, CoD, and Far Cry
 
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Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
Too bad they are using old mostly cpu limited games at low resolutions.

Half-life 2 beta. 9600 XT beats the 5950. But that's a beta game so

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0404/itogi-video-hl2-wxp-aaa-1024.html
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0404/itogi-video-u2-wxp-aaa-1024.html
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0404/itogi-video-traod-wxp-aaa-1024.html
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0404/itogi-video-cod-wxp-aaa-1024.html
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GeneralGrievous, you are basically on crack.

Another ATI fan boy trumping up minor differences and benches of games that don't exist. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
No i was talking about this:

Anandtech 20 Card Round Up

As you can see the 9800 series gets pummeled. It also is common knowledge that Tom's has a bias toward ATI. Seriously how the hell could a 9700Pro beat a 5950 Ultra. There is something wrong there!

-Kevin
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I don't what was up with that round-up, every other hardware site I checked pretty much confirmed tom's round-up, showing basically the opposite of anand's. On easy (old) stuff and ogl, nvidia's cards are on t0p but as soon as the load gets tough with lots of pixel shader use and aa/af, the ATI cards take over (this is pre-6800/X800).
 
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The 5900XT is the third best card in nVidia's lineup (behind the 5950U and 5900U). How can you expect it to compare to the 9800pro. Like I said before, the 5900XT is a good comparison to a 9700pro, but you will still see that in DX games (which are the good ones), the 9700pro still stomps on the 5900XT. Anybody who bought a 5900XT instead of a 9700pro (which are roughly the same price), is either really dumb, or a real big proponent of nVidia cards.
 
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Originally posted by: jhurst
The 5900XT is the third best card in nVidia's lineup (behind the 5950U and 5900U). How can you expect it to compare to the 9800pro. Like I said before, the 5900XT is a good comparison to a 9700pro, but you will still see that in DX games (which are the good ones), the 9700pro still stomps on the 5900XT. Anybody who bought a 5900XT instead of a 9700pro (which are roughly the same price), is either really dumb, or a real big proponent of nVidia cards.
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LOL DX games are the good ones? Maybe to you they are, but my favorite games have always been based on Carmack's OpenGL engines. If you're into shooters, so far, he's been the man.
The 9700Pro isn't that clear a choice over a 5900XT either.
 
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Well they are very very even. For the most part ATI dominates PS2.0 Games tho. Nvidia does OC better and is faster in the older games. Like Jagec said it depends on the game. Also its personal preference. Either card you get is plenty flast for right now. Unless you wanna invest in a nex gen card.
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The 9800 Pro dominates the 5900 XT. Nvidia is only faster at some OpenGL games. The idea that Nvidia is faster at older games is a myth.

The question isn't fair though, as the 5900 XT was never meant to compete against the 9800Pro.
Switch it to 5900 Ultra and I'd say toss a coin.
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The truth really is that the 9800 Pro was meant to compete with the 5900 Ultra. Although, I would still pick the 9800 Pro as the victor, the 5900 Ultra isn't a bad card and is definitely worth a look.

Take a look at Anandtechs 30 card round up
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That article is crap. Two out of those games were practically made for Nvidia cards and they were run at a low resolution. ATI never had a fair contest, especially with Jedi Knight. Plus that is an Overclocking article in which the Overclocking of the 5950 or 5900 Ultra had great effect against the weak overclocks of the Radeons.

#2 HL 2 is HEAVILY HEAVILY in favor of ATI cards. Has like no Nvidia optimizations. You would especially know that when a 9600 beats a 5950 Ultra. I mena cmon 4 pipeline slower clockspeed 128mb card beating 256bit memory (8 pipes) fast clocked card and 256mb of RAM. That is really F***** up.
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Wrong, the 9600 may be a 4 pipeline card, but so is the 5950. Plus, the 9600 is clocked faster and the memory bandwidth probably won't mean squat since it is run at a low resolution.
 
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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
No i was talking about this:

Anandtech 20 Card Round Up

As you can see the 9800 series gets pummeled. It also is common knowledge that Tom's has a bias toward ATI. Seriously how the hell could a 9700Pro beat a 5950 Ultra. There is something wrong there!

-Kevin
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Dunno 'bout that but it's way more than common knowledge on their processor reviews.
 
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