fvcking awesome :(

[eits]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: DrPizza
pwnage time??

OP is blaming his meds??

Maybe it's because the OP is sitting on the computer until late at night, starting useless threads. 11pm and 3am post on a Mon night in this thead:...

1) The medication is keeping him up, so therefore he is posting because he can't sleep. Not the reverse.

2) I still fail to see why he can't shift his ENTIRE schedule 15 minutes earlier. Keep taking the medication, but take it 15 mintues earlier. Then go to sleep 15 minutes earlier. Then wake up 15 minutes earlier. Then get to class on time. He has still failed to see how this will harm him. He still gets the same amount of sleep AND he passes his class. They aren't mutually exclusive ideas.

#2 = good argument. i'll work on it. ty.

 

[D1gger]

I am astounded how many people in this thread can't see that being late for work/school is unacceptable behaviour.

I run my own construction business, and many times my overall crew cost will be over $1,000 per hour. If my lead operator is late a few minutes, the entire crew stands there waiting for the work to begin, costing the company significant money. This is not acceptable behaviour and I have fired more than one otherwise good employee because they couldn't get their act together and show up on time.

In my office, I expect everyone to arrive on time unless they have let me know ahead of time they have another commitment. If one person starts showing up late, and consistently gets away with it, other employees will start to stretch the rules as well. If someone needs to arrive late or leave early, I am more than willing to give them the time, but don't try to take it for granted without asking first.

Secondly, sure school is not quite the same, but a good professor will be trying to instill the correct habits in his students from day one. If he says be on time, that is the rule, no exceptions. If he starts making an exception for the OP for 2 minutes 9 times in a semester, next semester someone will be asking for 5 minutes 10 times.

Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

In university, I had a prof who stood by the door until class time, and then closed it. He made it clear that if you weren't in the room when the door closed, you better not open it unless you were there to warn them of a fire. If you were 5 seconds late, you missed the class. Sure, I ranted about it to my friends, but I learned my lesson and I was in my seat before the door closed 99.9% of the time.

edit: for typos.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: DrPizza
OP is blaming his meds??
Maybe it's because the OP is sitting on the computer until late at night, starting useless threads. 11pm and 3am post on a Mon night in this thead:...

1) The medication is keeping him up, so therefore he is posting because he can't sleep. Not the reverse.

2) I still fail to see why he can't shift his ENTIRE schedule 15 minutes earlier. Keep taking the medication, but take it 15 mintues earlier. Then go to sleep 15 minutes earlier. Then wake up 15 minutes earlier. Then get to class on time. He has still failed to see how this will harm him. He still gets the same amount of sleep AND he passes his class. They aren't mutually exclusive ideas.

I still disagree on #1... explain the 3:30 am posts during the weekend..., yet only sporadic 2am posts during the week. There's no pattern. Given his high posts per day, I'd understand a little better if he was regularly up til 12, 1, or even 2... especially if he had ever posted "I have trouble sleeping." Instead, if you go back and look, it seems that the frequency of late late night posts is a pretty close match to the number of times he can't get his butt out of bed.

Has the OP even mentioned which medication keeps him up, other than "a stimulant?" If he's taking a medication that's causing this much of a problem, he probably should have complained a long time ago and had his meds switched.

Regardless, the pattern of late night computer usage is more indicative with someone simply staying up later than they should on occasion, rather than being online because they can't sleep.

 

[Blazin Trav]

Again, depends on the job.

Certain roles being late doesn't really affect anything, and others, it does.

I can see your point but in office jobs it doesn't matter. You come in late you stay late doing the work.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Regardless, the pattern of late night computer usage is more indicative with someone simply staying up later than they should on occasion, rather than being online because they can't sleep.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say it is a self-fulfilling cycle. He can't sleep, so he stays up and posts, so his body gets used to staying up, so he can't sleep. And then the cycle repeats.

I do agree, and have said above, that he can change this cycle. Don't use the medication as an excuse. The OP has a very real problem of not being able to sleep. But that is not an excuse to not get up in time. Sleeping problems are a major problem to many people - they aren't all late all the time. Life gave him lemons. It is his choice (A) make lemon-aid or (B) moan, complain, fail classes, and have untold other problems.

 

[Viper GTS]

Wow this thread is retarded. Figures a bunch of college kids would act this way.

There really is only one correct answer to this:

If you knew attendance was being tracked & still couldn't bring yourself to get there on time then you are an idiot.

Let this be a (relatively) cheap lesson in real life, it could have cost you a job.

Viper GTS

 

[DrPizza]

Yikes again! You were online at nearly 4am on a school night... link

Were you late for class in the morning?

 

[Shimmishim]

i've read a few pages of this thread.

and i just graduated from college.

policy is policy. if a teacher says 7:20AM is the start time, then 7:20AM is the start time. you have to do your best to adjust your schedule in order to make it on time, even adjusting the time you take your medication.

sleeping 4-5 hours a day is rough but being a chemical engineer for 4 years, i got used to it after a while. i made up some sleep by sleeping in on the weekends.

i think it sucks for you that the prof is so strict about it but that's life.

like others have said, when you start working and the boss says be in by 8AM and you're in at 8:02, you're late and you can be fired.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: BD2003
What class is that the prof takes attendance and marks people late for coming in at 7:21 to a 7:20 class?

Sounds like UoHell to me.

he doesn't mark them late... he marks them absent.

My mistake...but you still havent answered the question...

And if you're on ADD drugs, which I only assume, and they keep you up all night, you are taking WAY too much.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: D1gger
I am astounded how many people in this thread can't see that being late for work/school is unacceptable behaviour.

I run my own construction business, and many times my overall crew cost will be over $1,000 per hour. If my lead operator is late a few minutes, the entire crew stands there waiting for the work to begin, costing the company significant money. This is not acceptable behaviour and I have fired more than one otherwise good employee because they couldn't get their act together and show up on time.

In my office, I expect everyone to arrive on time unless they have let me know ahead of time they have another commitment. If one person starts showing up late, and consistently gets away with it, other employees will start to stretch the rules as well. If someone needs to arrive late or leave early, I am more than willing to give them the time, but don't try to take it for granted without asking first.

Secondly, sure school is not quite the same, but a good professor will be trying to instill the correct habits in his students from day one. If he says be on time, that is the rule, no exceptions. If he starts making an exception for the OP for 2 minutes 9 times in a semester, next semester someone will be asking for 5 minutes 10 times.

Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

In university, I had a prof who stood by the door until class time, and then closed it. He made it clear that if you weren't in the room when the door closed, you better not open it unless you were there to warn them of a fire. If you were 5 seconds late, you missed the class. Sure, I ranted about it to my friends, but I learned my lesson and I was in my seat before the door closed 99.9% of the time.

edit: for typos.

And I think people like you are blow hard, lying idiots.

 

[BD2003]

I also think its painfully ironic that its an academic professor who is a stickler for punctuality, when they on the other hand, can decide their day however the hell they please.

Gotta love academia...I come in to work "around 9" and leave "around 5".

 

[aswedc]

What a bubble we live in. There are millions of people in the world that would sleep two hours a night to be able to be in that class. And they would be on time every single day.

 

[Bryophyte]

I can't imagine a doctor keeping you on Concerta if you're one of the 5% or fewer that gets insomnia that bad. There are other drugs on the market for ADHD/ADD. If by some strange coincidence it's the ONLY one that works, why hasn't he or she tried you on some kind of prescription sleep aid? All you mentioned is melatonin and benadryl. Those aren't the only thing available for severe sleep problems.

Having said that, it is up to YOU to get to class on time. If you know that the prof takes attendance and you will be marked absent if late, don't be late.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: D1gger
I am astounded how many people in this thread can't see that being late for work/school is unacceptable behaviour.

I run my own construction business, and many times my overall crew cost will be over $1,000 per hour. If my lead operator is late a few minutes, the entire crew stands there waiting for the work to begin, costing the company significant money. This is not acceptable behaviour and I have fired more than one otherwise good employee because they couldn't get their act together and show up on time.

In my office, I expect everyone to arrive on time unless they have let me know ahead of time they have another commitment. If one person starts showing up late, and consistently gets away with it, other employees will start to stretch the rules as well. If someone needs to arrive late or leave early, I am more than willing to give them the time, but don't try to take it for granted without asking first.

Secondly, sure school is not quite the same, but a good professor will be trying to instill the correct habits in his students from day one. If he says be on time, that is the rule, no exceptions. If he starts making an exception for the OP for 2 minutes 9 times in a semester, next semester someone will be asking for 5 minutes 10 times.

Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

In university, I had a prof who stood by the door until class time, and then closed it. He made it clear that if you weren't in the room when the door closed, you better not open it unless you were there to warn them of a fire. If you were 5 seconds late, you missed the class. Sure, I ranted about it to my friends, but I learned my lesson and I was in my seat before the door closed 99.9% of the time.

edit: for typos.

And I think people like you are blow hard, lying idiots.

That is the real world..where teams depend on each other...

If someone is late the team's productivity falls apart. We already discussed this.

 

[1prophet]

When times get tough (think recession) excessive tardiness and absenteeism is one of the easier methods used to thin the herd.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: D1gger
I am astounded how many people in this thread can't see that being late for work/school is unacceptable behaviour.

I run my own construction business, and many times my overall crew cost will be over $1,000 per hour. If my lead operator is late a few minutes, the entire crew stands there waiting for the work to begin, costing the company significant money. This is not acceptable behaviour and I have fired more than one otherwise good employee because they couldn't get their act together and show up on time.

In my office, I expect everyone to arrive on time unless they have let me know ahead of time they have another commitment. If one person starts showing up late, and consistently gets away with it, other employees will start to stretch the rules as well. If someone needs to arrive late or leave early, I am more than willing to give them the time, but don't try to take it for granted without asking first.

Secondly, sure school is not quite the same, but a good professor will be trying to instill the correct habits in his students from day one. If he says be on time, that is the rule, no exceptions. If he starts making an exception for the OP for 2 minutes 9 times in a semester, next semester someone will be asking for 5 minutes 10 times.

Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

In university, I had a prof who stood by the door until class time, and then closed it. He made it clear that if you weren't in the room when the door closed, you better not open it unless you were there to warn them of a fire. If you were 5 seconds late, you missed the class. Sure, I ranted about it to my friends, but I learned my lesson and I was in my seat before the door closed 99.9% of the time.

edit: for typos.

And I think people like you are blow hard, lying idiots.

I really enjoy how your perspective is the only truth. Must makes things nice and easy for you, huh big guy? :laugh:

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: D1gger
Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

Thank You.

The main reason I don't sympathise with the OP is because of this. People feel they can waste everyone else's time because they can't seem to make it to class on time.

Edit: Having recently gone back to college, I notice this a lot. So irritating.

And, as far, as the "real world" is concerned, punctuality is a matter of respect. I respect my company/boss/job, and show it by being dependable, and on time.

This is especially important in any blue collar profession for two reasons: you are replaceable, and as others have mentioned, a team can only operate efficiently if all members are accounted for.

As crew chief for a land surveyor, my crew's job was to have the truck loaded by the time I was finished importing data (a 5 minute process), so we could be on the way to the job site asap. 5 minutes late is not acceptable in that situation. Try explaining to a construction site foreman why you are late to a meeting with all all the contractors. Belive me, my late employee wasn't in the hotseat... I was.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Armitage
I don't recall ever having a college class where they took attendance.

Exactly
I had some classes I showed up for once in a blue moon. Studied, knew the materials got my A/B and everyone was happy. Guess it could entirely depend on college and major though.

only a few profs bother with attendence at Rice. I think they figure if do well in their class then you've learned the material somehow and that's the whole point, anyway.

Most of my classes are to the point where the kids that don't show up fail, though, so i really only take advantage of the system with some distribution gut classes that I have to take.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: D1gger
I am astounded how many people in this thread can't see that being late for work/school is unacceptable behaviour.

I run my own construction business, and many times my overall crew cost will be over $1,000 per hour. If my lead operator is late a few minutes, the entire crew stands there waiting for the work to begin, costing the company significant money. This is not acceptable behaviour and I have fired more than one otherwise good employee because they couldn't get their act together and show up on time.

In my office, I expect everyone to arrive on time unless they have let me know ahead of time they have another commitment. If one person starts showing up late, and consistently gets away with it, other employees will start to stretch the rules as well. If someone needs to arrive late or leave early, I am more than willing to give them the time, but don't try to take it for granted without asking first.

Secondly, sure school is not quite the same, but a good professor will be trying to instill the correct habits in his students from day one. If he says be on time, that is the rule, no exceptions. If he starts making an exception for the OP for 2 minutes 9 times in a semester, next semester someone will be asking for 5 minutes 10 times.

Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

In university, I had a prof who stood by the door until class time, and then closed it. He made it clear that if you weren't in the room when the door closed, you better not open it unless you were there to warn them of a fire. If you were 5 seconds late, you missed the class. Sure, I ranted about it to my friends, but I learned my lesson and I was in my seat before the door closed 99.9% of the time.

edit: for typos.

And I think people like you are blow hard, lying idiots.

That is the real world..where teams depend on each other...

If someone is late the team's productivity falls apart. We already discussed this.

and I still stand by my statement that 3 minutes doesnt matter in the real world 99.99% of the time.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: D1gger
I am astounded how many people in this thread can't see that being late for work/school is unacceptable behaviour.

I run my own construction business, and many times my overall crew cost will be over $1,000 per hour. If my lead operator is late a few minutes, the entire crew stands there waiting for the work to begin, costing the company significant money. This is not acceptable behaviour and I have fired more than one otherwise good employee because they couldn't get their act together and show up on time.

In my office, I expect everyone to arrive on time unless they have let me know ahead of time they have another commitment. If one person starts showing up late, and consistently gets away with it, other employees will start to stretch the rules as well. If someone needs to arrive late or leave early, I am more than willing to give them the time, but don't try to take it for granted without asking first.

Secondly, sure school is not quite the same, but a good professor will be trying to instill the correct habits in his students from day one. If he says be on time, that is the rule, no exceptions. If he starts making an exception for the OP for 2 minutes 9 times in a semester, next semester someone will be asking for 5 minutes 10 times.

Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

In university, I had a prof who stood by the door until class time, and then closed it. He made it clear that if you weren't in the room when the door closed, you better not open it unless you were there to warn them of a fire. If you were 5 seconds late, you missed the class. Sure, I ranted about it to my friends, but I learned my lesson and I was in my seat before the door closed 99.9% of the time.

edit: for typos.

And I think people like you are blow hard, lying idiots.

I really enjoy how your perspective is the only truth. Must makes things nice and easy for you, huh big guy? :laugh:

It really does.... and I really am right... and you really are wrong.


everyone in this thread is pulling the typical ATOT perfectionist nonsense...

blah blah I'm a grown up, and grown ups are never late... blah blah blah... if you're 1 minute late the world could blow up... blah blah blah.... I fire people if they show up 2 minutes late blah blah blah I'm full of ****** but on the intraweb I can be whatever I want. blah blah blah

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: D1gger
I am astounded how many people in this thread can't see that being late for work/school is unacceptable behaviour.

I run my own construction business, and many times my overall crew cost will be over $1,000 per hour. If my lead operator is late a few minutes, the entire crew stands there waiting for the work to begin, costing the company significant money. This is not acceptable behaviour and I have fired more than one otherwise good employee because they couldn't get their act together and show up on time.

In my office, I expect everyone to arrive on time unless they have let me know ahead of time they have another commitment. If one person starts showing up late, and consistently gets away with it, other employees will start to stretch the rules as well. If someone needs to arrive late or leave early, I am more than willing to give them the time, but don't try to take it for granted without asking first.

Secondly, sure school is not quite the same, but a good professor will be trying to instill the correct habits in his students from day one. If he says be on time, that is the rule, no exceptions. If he starts making an exception for the OP for 2 minutes 9 times in a semester, next semester someone will be asking for 5 minutes 10 times.

Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

In university, I had a prof who stood by the door until class time, and then closed it. He made it clear that if you weren't in the room when the door closed, you better not open it unless you were there to warn them of a fire. If you were 5 seconds late, you missed the class. Sure, I ranted about it to my friends, but I learned my lesson and I was in my seat before the door closed 99.9% of the time.

edit: for typos.

And I think people like you are blow hard, lying idiots.

I really enjoy how your perspective is the only truth. Must makes things nice and easy for you, huh big guy? :laugh:

It really does.... and I really am right... and you really are wrong.


everyone in this thread is pulling the typical ATOT perfectionist nonsense...

blah blah I'm a grown up, and grown ups are never late... blah blah blah... if you're 1 minute late the world could blow up... blah blah blah.... I fire people if they show up 2 minutes late blah blah blah I'm full of ****** but on the intraweb I can be whatever I want. blah blah blah

No..some of us actually live by these rules, and force the people under us too. Again, you got a lukcy job where you can slack off without anyone caring, I know a few people like that. Jobs such as that I don't want to work, job's that require decipline you don't want to work, we can understand each other. It is not the typical ATOT holier than thou response, most of us who are supervisors/bosses/professionals live the life by the clock, and if we are late, we will be fired.

 

[Doboji]

I left out...

blah blah blah there are starving people in africa who would be more grateful and they would NEVER be 2 minutes late blah blah blah...

of course the OP is a douche for sticking with his Concerta excuse... dude as far as I'm concerned within 5 minutes of the class starting, is on time.... but this professor was an ass... you should dropped the class... the lesson here is... pay more attention to the syllabus and learn to cut and run like you're being chased by wild hyenas when you get an idiot prof like this...

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: D1gger
I am astounded how many people in this thread can't see that being late for work/school is unacceptable behaviour.

I run my own construction business, and many times my overall crew cost will be over $1,000 per hour. If my lead operator is late a few minutes, the entire crew stands there waiting for the work to begin, costing the company significant money. This is not acceptable behaviour and I have fired more than one otherwise good employee because they couldn't get their act together and show up on time.

In my office, I expect everyone to arrive on time unless they have let me know ahead of time they have another commitment. If one person starts showing up late, and consistently gets away with it, other employees will start to stretch the rules as well. If someone needs to arrive late or leave early, I am more than willing to give them the time, but don't try to take it for granted without asking first.

Secondly, sure school is not quite the same, but a good professor will be trying to instill the correct habits in his students from day one. If he says be on time, that is the rule, no exceptions. If he starts making an exception for the OP for 2 minutes 9 times in a semester, next semester someone will be asking for 5 minutes 10 times.

Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

In university, I had a prof who stood by the door until class time, and then closed it. He made it clear that if you weren't in the room when the door closed, you better not open it unless you were there to warn them of a fire. If you were 5 seconds late, you missed the class. Sure, I ranted about it to my friends, but I learned my lesson and I was in my seat before the door closed 99.9% of the time.

edit: for typos.

And I think people like you are blow hard, lying idiots.

I really enjoy how your perspective is the only truth. Must makes things nice and easy for you, huh big guy? :laugh:

It really does.... and I really am right... and you really are wrong.


everyone in this thread is pulling the typical ATOT perfectionist nonsense...

blah blah I'm a grown up, and grown ups are never late... blah blah blah... if you're 1 minute late the world could blow up... blah blah blah.... I fire people if they show up 2 minutes late blah blah blah I'm full of ****** but on the intraweb I can be whatever I want. blah blah blah

And you fail to comprehend what we're actually saying. We're not saying we're perfect. We just don't bitch and moan about something that was in our control to fix, and what we probably should've fixed.

Whether you like it or not, 3 minutes can mean the difference. It could be between passing and failing a class or between having your job and losing it. If a boss wants to be a prick and fire you, he'd have plenty of leverage with you being late 3 mintues or more 9 times in a few months. Another situation is where companies have punch clocks. Go over +/- 3 minutes, and you get a point. Get too many points in a certain amount of time, you're gone.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: D1gger
I am astounded how many people in this thread can't see that being late for work/school is unacceptable behaviour.

I run my own construction business, and many times my overall crew cost will be over $1,000 per hour. If my lead operator is late a few minutes, the entire crew stands there waiting for the work to begin, costing the company significant money. This is not acceptable behaviour and I have fired more than one otherwise good employee because they couldn't get their act together and show up on time.

In my office, I expect everyone to arrive on time unless they have let me know ahead of time they have another commitment. If one person starts showing up late, and consistently gets away with it, other employees will start to stretch the rules as well. If someone needs to arrive late or leave early, I am more than willing to give them the time, but don't try to take it for granted without asking first.

Secondly, sure school is not quite the same, but a good professor will be trying to instill the correct habits in his students from day one. If he says be on time, that is the rule, no exceptions. If he starts making an exception for the OP for 2 minutes 9 times in a semester, next semester someone will be asking for 5 minutes 10 times.

Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

In university, I had a prof who stood by the door until class time, and then closed it. He made it clear that if you weren't in the room when the door closed, you better not open it unless you were there to warn them of a fire. If you were 5 seconds late, you missed the class. Sure, I ranted about it to my friends, but I learned my lesson and I was in my seat before the door closed 99.9% of the time.

edit: for typos.

And I think people like you are blow hard, lying idiots.

I really enjoy how your perspective is the only truth. Must makes things nice and easy for you, huh big guy? :laugh:

It really does.... and I really am right... and you really are wrong.


everyone in this thread is pulling the typical ATOT perfectionist nonsense...

blah blah I'm a grown up, and grown ups are never late... blah blah blah... if you're 1 minute late the world could blow up... blah blah blah.... I fire people if they show up 2 minutes late blah blah blah I'm full of ****** but on the intraweb I can be whatever I want. blah blah blah

No..some of us actually live by these rules, and force the people under us too. Again, you got a lukcy job where you can slack off without anyone caring, I know a few people like that. Jobs such as that I don't want to work, job's that require decipline you don't want to work, we can understand each other. It is not the typical ATOT holier than thou response, most of us who are supervisors/bosses/professionals live the life by the clock, and if we are late, we will be fired.

point blank.... I don't believe you really live to that extreme.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: D1gger
I am astounded how many people in this thread can't see that being late for work/school is unacceptable behaviour.

I run my own construction business, and many times my overall crew cost will be over $1,000 per hour. If my lead operator is late a few minutes, the entire crew stands there waiting for the work to begin, costing the company significant money. This is not acceptable behaviour and I have fired more than one otherwise good employee because they couldn't get their act together and show up on time.

In my office, I expect everyone to arrive on time unless they have let me know ahead of time they have another commitment. If one person starts showing up late, and consistently gets away with it, other employees will start to stretch the rules as well. If someone needs to arrive late or leave early, I am more than willing to give them the time, but don't try to take it for granted without asking first.

Secondly, sure school is not quite the same, but a good professor will be trying to instill the correct habits in his students from day one. If he says be on time, that is the rule, no exceptions. If he starts making an exception for the OP for 2 minutes 9 times in a semester, next semester someone will be asking for 5 minutes 10 times.

Regardless of it being only 2 minutes late, it can be extremely disruptive to everyone else attending the class or meeting. Everything stops while all eyes go to the door to see who is late and watch them find a chair and settle in. It is human nature.

In university, I had a prof who stood by the door until class time, and then closed it. He made it clear that if you weren't in the room when the door closed, you better not open it unless you were there to warn them of a fire. If you were 5 seconds late, you missed the class. Sure, I ranted about it to my friends, but I learned my lesson and I was in my seat before the door closed 99.9% of the time.

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And I think people like you are blow hard, lying idiots.

I really enjoy how your perspective is the only truth. Must makes things nice and easy for you, huh big guy? :laugh:

It really does.... and I really am right... and you really are wrong.


everyone in this thread is pulling the typical ATOT perfectionist nonsense...

blah blah I'm a grown up, and grown ups are never late... blah blah blah... if you're 1 minute late the world could blow up... blah blah blah.... I fire people if they show up 2 minutes late blah blah blah I'm full of ****** but on the intraweb I can be whatever I want. blah blah blah

No..some of us actually live by these rules, and force the people under us too. Again, you got a lukcy job where you can slack off without anyone caring, I know a few people like that. Jobs such as that I don't want to work, job's that require decipline you don't want to work, we can understand each other. It is not the typical ATOT holier than thou response, most of us who are supervisors/bosses/professionals live the life by the clock, and if we are late, we will be fired.

point blank.... I don't believe you really live to that extreme.

Point blank, you are an idiot with no idea of my boss' expectations. Yes he demands punctuality, but the other benefits are nice, so I stay there.

Yes, some people do live to that "extreme."

I know that the post wasn't responding to me, but you seem to imply that you believe that about everyone in this thread.