fvcking awesome :(

[BD2003]

What class is that the prof takes attendance and marks people late for coming in at 7:21 to a 7:20 class?

Sounds like UoHell to me.

 

[Blazin Trav]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
you know, folks, if you work in a job where you can't be trusted to do your work without conforming to a strict timetable, that's not "responsibility."

that's babysitting. you are children who have to be babysat. so don't get on a soapbox about the real world. the only place where 2 minutes makes a difference is McDonald's.

at my job, all employees are responsible (note that word) for setting their own schedules, meeting their 40 hours a week, and producing a certain minimum amount of billable time for the company. we fill out our own timesheets. we fill out our own mileage reimbursement. we may go days without coming in the office, because there's these things called cell phones, pagers, and VPN's. we have team meetings once a week, and people are always late, and nobody cares, because we just start without them and don't worry about it. if i want to come in at 8:01 AM, i can. if i want to come in at 2:34 PM, i can do that. if no one sees me for days, a supervisor might ask me what i've been up to, and that's about the extent of it. this is because i have been given tremendous responsiblity, and i am a responsible person. my company trusts me and my co-workers to get their work done. guess what? we get it done. the irony is our time is accountable to huge lists of government laws and regulations, and we can still operate this way. chances are the only people you folk are accountable to are HR, and they aren't even in the same building as you. so relax.

even in stricter situations, everyone knows that traffic is unpredictable, and no one expects you to always arrive 30 minutes early to prevent yourself from being late the 1 time in 50 that there is an accident. once again, everyone has cell phones. you can call and say you'll be held up and start the meeting without you. no panties get bunched.

LOL you totally just pwned yourself. If you are responsible for your owno schedule that means you can come in whatever time you want. Meaning being late doesn't matter, as long as you get the work done. In essence that system rewards being late / lazy, if anything. Especially since they trust you with your own hours, etc etc.

 

[Blazin Trav]

Why?? Is what I said not the factual truth? I know that it is, from personal experience. From 20+ years in the working world. From getting FIRED. From having TO FIRE people. I live in the real world.

The world you live in: Do they have oxygen there?

Chances are you weren't working hard enough, then you woke up and starting working hard, not that you started showing up on time. I'm willing to bet on that. Wow 99% of the people who post on here are full of ******.

 

[Blazin Trav]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

hey, friend - i did my undergrad in 5 semesters and i'm starting med school in the fall. the year i've spent working did nothing but enforce how damn important it is to be punctual and reliable -- how effective you are in the office, in the labs, in the clinic comes definitively second. I had an attitude when I first started working too - cocky, fresh with the big MCL B.S., I did what I wanted, when I wanted. Learned the hard way fast that no one gives a sh!t what you're capable of if you can't be counted on to be present.

Though it's been beaten to death by now- Even if it's not now, you'll learn eventually that no one really cares what your excuses are. No one cares about anything about your productivity, and you won't get an ounce of sympathy past what the government and official policies mandate be shown to you. Learn it with an F, or learn it with a pink slip and a police escort - it's your choice.

This post was perfect. Nailed every bullet point perfectly WITH experience for that matter.

Nah just sounds like he has a good work ethic. That reinforces the trust, not his tardiness. Coming in on time probably helps reinforce this, but doesn't make someone work harder. I bet people know plenty of bosses who come in whenever they want. Does that mean they are working less than the other people in the office? ****** no.

There is not a general forumla that applies to everything in life.

 

[Eeezee]

1) You should be able to grade appeal, but I don't think the dean of admissions has anything to do with that. At my university, there's some sort of hearing where all of the facts and testimonies are laid out on the table and a decision is made.

2) I've read the rest of the post, and your argument for being late isn't a very good one. Yes, it sucks that you only get 4 hours of sleep. However, the different between 4 hours and 3 hours 45 minutes of sleep is insignificant. You should have set your alarm earlier so that you could make it to the class on time. When your grade is on the line, it's better that you make it to class even if you're going to be groggy and have difficulty understanding the material. It sounds like the professor made this clear.

 

[Specop 007]

1) Talk to Dean and professor at the same time, make sure you have a Drs explanation.

If your grades are in good order...

2) Lawyer up

 

[Blazin Trav]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
1) You should be able to grade appeal, but I don't think the dean of admissions has anything to do with that. At my university, there's some sort of hearing where all of the facts and testimonies are laid out on the table and a decision is made.

2) I've read the rest of the post, and your argument for being late isn't a very good one. Yes, it sucks that you only get 4 hours of sleep. However, the different between 4 hours and 3 hours 45 minutes of sleep is insignificant. You should have set your alarm earlier so that you could make it to the class on time. When your grade is on the line, it's better that you make it to class even if you're going to be groggy and have difficulty understanding the material. It sounds like the professor made this clear.

Actually 4 hours is one REM cycle, almost 4 hours is no REM cycles. So you will feel much better with that extra 15 min IMO.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Why is it critical to his learning experience that he needs to be there 2 minutes earlier? It's not.

It is because he fails if he doesn't do it. Maybe his professor is an asshole, but it doesn't matter, if he wants a degree, then he has to pass the class. If he wants to pass the class, he needs to be there on time. Hence, it's critical that he gets there on time.

That has nothing to do with the actual learning which is what I was mentioning... unless you consider what he learned to be nothing since he isn't actually getting the credit?

He learned two things

1) The material
2) Life isn't fair

He took a gamble and lost, end of story. He gambled his tuition dollars that the profesor would take pity on his condition. He lost. He may have learned the material, but he won't be getting any credit for it and has to retake the class.

 

[acole1]

Professors (most, if not all) have massive egos that do not permit them to be reasonable. Every professor thinks they have the most important subject in the world, and they are NEVER wrong in anything they do or say, even if they contradict themselves... oh, wait... they never do that either, because they are perfect geniuses! :disgust:

This is why I hate school.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
you can be failed for non-attendance?

*nod* One of the stupidest ideas ever. It's why I failed 80-90 percent of the classes in high school, and most of the cause of any low grades in college.

 

[randay]

I don't see why you can't be on time. Why can't you just adjust your medication schedule?

 

[DrPizza]

pwnage time??

OP is blaming his meds??

Maybe it's because the OP is sitting on the computer until late at night, starting useless threads. 11pm and 3am post on a Mon night in this thead:
here
(just off the top of my head, Missouri is one hour behind the east coast?)

here's a 2am post.. which is sweeter, pepsi or coke...

Yeah, I do that every once in a while... stay up really late online. In fact, I'd be willing to say that a lot of people here would agree that even when they're tired and could have been sleeping, they've stayed up much later than they should have and posted online. But, most of us don't do so consistently, and a quick search of your posts reveals that only occasionally do you post during late hours... (Not to mention you have 5000 posts in about a year... you spend quite a bit of time online here)

Not to mention that you're up til 3:30am or later on the weekend posting... Apparently, you get even less sleep on the weekend?

 

[Blazin Trav]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
pwnage time??

OP is blaming his meds??

Maybe it's because the OP is sitting on the computer until late at night, starting useless threads. 11pm and 3am post on a Mon night in this thead:
here
(just off the top of my head, Missouri is one hour behind the east coast?)

here's a 2am post.. which is sweeter, pepsi or coke...

Yeah, I do that every once in a while... stay up really late online. In fact, I'd be willing to say that a lot of people here would agree that even when they're tired and could have been sleeping, they've stayed up much later than they should have and posted online. But, most of us don't do so consistently, and a quick search of your posts reveals that only occasionally do you post during late hours... (Not to mention you have 5000 posts in about a year... you spend quite a bit of time online here)

Not to mention that you're up til 3:30am or later on the weekend posting... Apparently, you get even less sleep on the weekend?

Pwnt.

/thread

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
pwnage time??

OP is blaming his meds??

Maybe it's because the OP is sitting on the computer until late at night, starting useless threads. 11pm and 3am post on a Mon night in this thead:...

1) The medication is keeping him up, so therefore he is posting because he can't sleep. Not the reverse.

2) I still fail to see why he can't shift his ENTIRE schedule 15 minutes earlier. Keep taking the medication, but take it 15 mintues earlier. Then go to sleep 15 minutes earlier. Then wake up 15 minutes earlier. Then get to class on time. He has still failed to see how this will harm him. He still gets the same amount of sleep AND he passes his class. They aren't mutually exclusive ideas.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Doboji
Are you holier than thou types make me sick to my stomach. At the end of the day we all ****** out of the same hole...

I :laugh:, because I'm thinking of you as a "holier than thou" type. Your sh1t doesn't quite stink bad enough that you should be punished for not following what appears to be relatively simple and straightforward rules.

You're so much better than anyone else in the classroom, and their ability to get to class on time should not be considered - only your point of view. Not only that, but you feel the need to express violent thoughts and act against the professor for simply upholding his rule that you've been perfectly aware of since the start of the semester.

So, drop your holier than thou attitude and realize the same rules apply to everyone in the classroom, not just a select few. Your personal inability in get to class on time does not warrant special attention and preferential treatment.

 

[mflacy]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: DrPizza
pwnage time??

OP is blaming his meds??

Maybe it's because the OP is sitting on the computer until late at night, starting useless threads. 11pm and 3am post on a Mon night in this thead:...

1) The medication is keeping him up, so therefore he is posting because he can't sleep. Not the reverse.

Doesn't sitting in front of a computer screen all day & night effect your melatonin levels? Seems like it does more harm than lying in bed trying to fall sleep.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: mflacy
Eits, do you do anything physical everyday like running or biking? That sure as hell tires me out. Posting 12 times a day at AT doesn't count.

haha

yeah, i work out (whenever i don't have a cold that won't go away... jesus, i've had this for 2 weeks...)

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: dullard
Your professor is being a baby about this. Clearly, he is full of himself and it is his way or the highway. You have little you can do about it. Your only options are to retake the class or to make a big enough stink that someone will bend the rules for you. I don't think you'll have much success with bending the rules, and if you do, you'll make a lot of enemies.

That said, does your medicine make it IMPOSSIBLE to wake up 5 minutes earlier? I've never heard of something like that. More likely, it is your fault for being late and you are using your condition as an excuse.

it's not impossible to wake up 5 minutes earlier, but it is virtually impossible to sleep earlier, thereby getting more than 4 or 5 hrs of sleep. if you slept for 4 or 5 hours every day, you'd have a hard time waking up in the morning and functioning and awake enough to drive safely to school in traffic.

am i making excuses? absolutely. and it's a valid excuse to have. in order to succeed in my education, i need to have my medication. the downside to that is that it deprives me of sleep. you can be all indignant about how it's not impossible to wake up 5 minutes earlier, but you're not the one who can't fall asleep until 2 or 3 in the morning having to wake up at 6:30 just to get to class at 7:20 everyday.

So you're telling us 5 minutes of sleep is going to wind up making the difference between driving safely to school and not?

You're still beating around the issue here. HOW is losing 5 minutes of sleep that important that you simply could not do it?

without getting too technical, in order to be as attentive and awake as possible, you need to gradually wake up. you can't wake up in mid-rem sleep and be alert.

now, i know you're gonna say, "well, why not set your alarm clock earlier so you can gradually wake up earlier," and my answer to that is because i wouldn't get much meaningful sleep if i did that any earlier than i already do it.

sleep deprivation isn't exactly an easy thing to tackle... you can't just say "well, just wake up and quit being a baby about it... blahdy blah blah"... it's much more complex.

You're full of crap here... the medicine doesnt make you 3 minutes late for class....

the medicine doesn't make me 3 minutes late for class.... trying to milk as much sleep as i can from a serious lack of sleep from taking the medicine makes me 3 minutes late for class.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: mflacy
Doesn't sitting in front of a computer screen all day & night effect your melatonin levels? Seems like it does more harm than lying in bed trying to fall sleep.

I can't speak for everyone, but for me personally the worst thing I can do to distroy my sleep is to try too hard to sleep. I end up spending hours tossing and turning, making the bed hot and miserable. I just suffer and suffer trying to sleep when I can't. But if I get up for 10 minutes, take my mind of of trying to sleep, do something like watch TV or use the computer, I can finally let my body relax. Then I can go back to the bed and start fresh and it almost always puts me right to sleep.

 

[jumpr]

Why can't you adjust your sleep/wake times accordingly? In other words, you should start getting ready for bed at 7:00 p.m. so that you can be up well before class begins the next morning. If the prof's rule is unbending, your "rules" must conform to it.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: GarlicBreath
Your meds, right. Can't be your fault. Nobody's personally responsible for anything anymore.

How about this: If your class starts at 7:20, just tell yourself it starts at 7:00. Then if you're 2 minutes late, you'll really be 18 minutes early.

If my employees were habitually late for work or meetings, I'd fire them.

Take it as a life lesson and do better next time. The world's tough, kiddo. You gotta be tougher.

again, try doing that when you've had around 4 hrs of sleep every night.

It's a pity party now, isn't it?

Anybody who has majored in science or engineering knows exactly what it's like to get 4 hours of sleep every night for months.

months?

try years.

during all 10 trimesters of my schooling here, classes start at 7:20 in the morning. it wasn't a big deal in the past because some of the professors understood the problem and some professors weren't attendance nazis.

So I'm assuming you never rest on the weekends, and you never ever have vacations/breaks, right?

Like I said, months. Hell, if you want to play that game, it'd be years for them too.

on weekends, i go to bed at around 3am and wake up at around 10 or 11 am. on vacation breaks (which are only 3 weeks), i don't take my medicine because i'd never have a real sleep schedule because the it always resets itself. for example...

vacation day 1: sleep at 2am - wake up at 10am (take medicine).
vacation day 2: sleep at 3am - wake up at 10:30 am (take medicine).
vacation day 3: sleep at 4:30am - wake up at 12pm (take medicine).
vacation day 4: dad calls me a vampire before he goes to work. sleep at 7am - wake up at 3pm (take medicine).

get the idea?

sans medication:
vacation day 1: sleep at 2am - wake up at 9am
vacation day 2: sleep at 1am - wake up at 7am
vacation day 3: sleep at 2am - wake up at 7:30am
vacation day 4: sleep at 12am - wake up at 9am

i'm regular when i don't take my meds (as far as sleep and tardiness are concerned). however, without my meds, i can't understand what goes on in class and i talk to the people around me... i never get any learning done.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: BD2003
What class is that the prof takes attendance and marks people late for coming in at 7:21 to a 7:20 class?

Sounds like UoHell to me.

he doesn't mark them late... he marks them absent.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Blazin Trav

Originally posted by: Eeezee
1) You should be able to grade appeal, but I don't think the dean of admissions has anything to do with that. At my university, there's some sort of hearing where all of the facts and testimonies are laid out on the table and a decision is made.

2) I've read the rest of the post, and your argument for being late isn't a very good one. Yes, it sucks that you only get 4 hours of sleep. However, the different between 4 hours and 3 hours 45 minutes of sleep is insignificant. You should have set your alarm earlier so that you could make it to the class on time. When your grade is on the line, it's better that you make it to class even if you're going to be groggy and have difficulty understanding the material. It sounds like the professor made this clear.

Actually 4 hours is one REM cycle, almost 4 hours is no REM cycles. So you will feel much better with that extra 15 min IMO.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: GarlicBreath
Your meds, right. Can't be your fault. Nobody's personally responsible for anything anymore.

How about this: If your class starts at 7:20, just tell yourself it starts at 7:00. Then if you're 2 minutes late, you'll really be 18 minutes early.

If my employees were habitually late for work or meetings, I'd fire them.

Take it as a life lesson and do better next time. The world's tough, kiddo. You gotta be tougher.

again, try doing that when you've had around 4 hrs of sleep every night.

It's a pity party now, isn't it?

Anybody who has majored in science or engineering knows exactly what it's like to get 4 hours of sleep every night for months.

months?

try years.

during all 10 trimesters of my schooling here, classes start at 7:20 in the morning. it wasn't a big deal in the past because some of the professors understood the problem and some professors weren't attendance nazis.

So I'm assuming you never rest on the weekends, and you never ever have vacations/breaks, right?

Like I said, months. Hell, if you want to play that game, it'd be years for them too.

on weekends, i go to bed at around 3am and wake up at around 10 or 11 am. on vacation breaks (which are only 3 weeks), i don't take my medicine because i'd never have a real sleep schedule because the it always resets itself. for example...

vacation day 1: sleep at 2am - wake up at 10am (take medicine).
vacation day 2: sleep at 3am - wake up at 10:30 am (take medicine).
vacation day 3: sleep at 4:30am - wake up at 12pm (take medicine).
vacation day 4: dad calls me a vampire before he goes to work. sleep at 7am - wake up at 3pm (take medicine).

get the idea?

sans medication:
vacation day 1: sleep at 2am - wake up at 9am
vacation day 2: sleep at 1am - wake up at 7am
vacation day 3: sleep at 2am - wake up at 7:30am
vacation day 4: sleep at 12am - wake up at 9am

i'm regular when i don't take my meds (as far as sleep and tardiness are concerned). however, without my meds, i can't understand what goes on in class and i talk to the people around me... i never get any learning done.

Which is similar to any schedule for a student that has a hard major. Like I said, it's a pity party.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
pwnage time??

OP is blaming his meds??

Maybe it's because the OP is sitting on the computer until late at night, starting useless threads. 11pm and 3am post on a Mon night in this thead:
here
(just off the top of my head, Missouri is one hour behind the east coast?)

here's a 2am post.. which is sweeter, pepsi or coke...

Yeah, I do that every once in a while... stay up really late online. In fact, I'd be willing to say that a lot of people here would agree that even when they're tired and could have been sleeping, they've stayed up much later than they should have and posted online. But, most of us don't do so consistently, and a quick search of your posts reveals that only occasionally do you post during late hours... (Not to mention you have 5000 posts in about a year... you spend quite a bit of time online here)

Not to mention that you're up til 3:30am or later on the weekend posting... Apparently, you get even less sleep on the weekend?

the first thread was started at around 11pm
the second thread was started at around 6:30pm