fuzzy text

Malak

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Ok, so I'm using an old monitor on a new system. I get everything working, install latest drivers, but my text seems fuzzy. Now, I'm using a VGA -> DVI adapter because the monitor is vga but the video card is dvi. Could this be doing it? Or could it be something else? Windows maybe?
 

Malak

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Seems to be causing my some eye strain too :(

Everything seems fuzzy, never seen this before. I hope it's not the vga->dvi adapter, because that would mean I need a new monitor :(
 

CheesePoofs

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Thats one of the thing that happens if a monitor is dying. Mine started to go, and at 1280x1024 everything was unreadable.

Im not sure on this, but it could be because your vga to dvi adapter is a low quality one.
 

Malak

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Well I bought it at a local store(only one that had one). But that was because I couldn't find one which came with the video card, but I did find it. Maybe I'll try switching it out and see if that helps. I thought maybe my monitor could be getting old, except it wasn't doing this until after I hooked up the new machine, and that'd be an awful big coincidence..
 

Cerb

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The DVI adapter doesn't have long enough wires to matter. It could be that the card was made for using the DVI as...a DVI-D, and they just overlooked making its VGA output any good.

However, the monitor dying is more likely. Or you could need to mess w/ the h/v convergence. Try some crappy PCI video card and see if it is any different.
 

Jeffc777

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I'm happy I bumped onto this thread. I've been having similar troubles with my dual monitor setup on a new computer I purchased for video editing. I hooked up two crt monitors which I've been using for the past year. Both of my monitors are sharp with my older systems.

On the new system the primary display had blurry or fuzzy text which caused eyestrain after a short while and the 2nd display was blurry to the point of being unusable. The "fuzzy text" is soft around the edges and is not dark black, it looks grey. I should mention the blurred text is more noticable in CRT monitors than LCD monitors. I considered going to LCD monitors but they are not great for video editing. They have slower refresh rates and are too contrasty.

Someone having excellent eyesight may not notice a problem for a while. But someone that uses glasses or doesn't have 100% perfect eyesight will notice the problem fairly soon. The Geek Squad agent at Best Buy didn't see a problem on the primary monitor at first. But after 15 or twenty minutes on the computer he admited there was a problem.

The new computer is a Medion 5200 Composer with an nVidia PCX5300 PCI-Express x16 card. I changed refresh rates, removed all smoothing properties in the display settings and swapped monitors. None of this helped. I figured the problem could be with the PCX5300 card that came with the computer. Maybe it was a faulty video card maybe there was a problem with converting the DVI port to vga. So I purchased a nVidia FX5500 with two svga ports and a ATI X700 with one vga and one DVI port. I also purchased a nVidia Quadro NVS 280 which was supposed to be optimized for CAD and 2D applications instead of gaming.

The FX5500 secondary display was a bit better but both monitors had the same blurry text problem. The X700's primary display was pretty good but the seconday display still had blurry text. The primary display on the Quadro NVS 280 was excellent but the secondary display still caused eyestrain after a while.

I believe having a problem with 4 different video cards is a bit unlikely. I've read ghosting and other monitor quality problems can be caused by electrical interference not filtered out by the vga cables. In these situations triple shielded vga cables have solved the problem.

I was going to replace my vga cables but my monitors cables are not removable from the monitors. And my monitors are fine in my older systems. So I'm thinking the new machine could be producing more electrical interference for some reason.

Since I could not resolve the problem and my return deadline was near, I returned the Medion 5200 to Best Buy. I need to start on my video editing project soon but I don't want to buy a prebuilt system or build my own until I understand for sure what's going on.

At this point I'm thinking the fuzzy text or ghosting is caused by electrical interference. At first I thought it might be something consistant with Medion 5200's but have read of this problem with other manufacturers. Could it be a faulty power supply or something with the newer PCI-Express x16 slots or cards?

The easy solution would be to shop the stores and find a computer system with sharp text. But I live in a rural location and the only systems that in the stores are Compaq's, HP's and a few Medions, Gateways and Sony's. Most of those already have crappy displays. The ones with a better displays are $1500 to $2000+. Do I really have to pay that much to get a sharp display???

Any possible solutions would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
Jeff







 

Malak

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My only conclusion for me was that the dvi -> vga connection isn't very good. I had two adapters, so I tried the other one, it seemed to help a little but it's still fuzzy. I am in the process of searching for an LCD which I believe will cure this. Straight DVI.
 

Lorn

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I take it you guys have already looked into the Windows Cleartype options?
 

Jeffc777

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Thank you "NOLOVE" and "malak" for you inputs :)

It does seem most video card manufacturers are leaning toward the DVI and the LCD monitors so the quality of vga is probably going to suffer. I would consider going to LCD if I could find one which isn't too contrasty. I've been told by multiple video editors that any adjustments made on a LCD monitor in regards to brightness, contrast or sharpness will most likely not look good on CRT computer monitors or televisions.

I've heard there is a different type of LCD monitor which is lower contrast but it's VERY expensive. I have no idea what they are or who makes them. One thought occurs to me now, maybe the high contrast of the LCD that makes the "fuzziness" less noticable?

As far as Windows Cleartype, no I haven't looked into it. Since my monitors look fine on my older system, I was thinking the fuzzy text was a hardware problem and was hopeful of finding a hardware solution. I don't know how Cleartype works but one of my concerns would be how it would affect my videos or my still photographs. But I will check into it.

At this point I'm thinking there are multiple problems.....

First is the quality of the video card. I expect problems with the lower end cards but most of the high end cards seem to be optimized for gaming and less emphasis is placed on CAD like applications, text or movie editors.

Secondly, most new cards are now leaning towards DVI and LCD's. Hopfully there wouldn't be any quality loss when converting to VGA but it seems there is. The only exception to this that I have found is the nVidia Quadro cards. The movie editing vendors like the Quadros. That's why I tried one.

The NVS 280 I tried was one of the lowest priced in the group, around $158 at NewEgg. It has a DVI output but comes with a heavy Y adapter to two SVGA ports. Of the cards I tried, it had the sharpest text. The primary monitor looked really good and the secondary monitor was almost acceptable but not quite as sharp. If I don't find any other solutions, I might have to stick with this card.

Thirdly, I'm still thinking electrical interference could be part of the problem. As I mentioned earlier, some ghosting problems have been solved by using triple shielded vga cables. But then again, I didn't personally see the ghosting problems that were solved by better shielding.

High cpu and buss frequencies could cause harmomic frequencies which monitors don't like. But the most likely suspect would be the power supply. If it is under powered in any way, it could easliy set up problematic frequencies. And the prebuilt computer manufacturers are notorious for installing under powered power supplies. From what I've read, even the 350 watt supplies are not necessarily enough because there could be one voltage where the wattage is low.

I don't really have the time to build computers anymore but I also don't have time to waste dealing with the problems I'm having now. So I guess my next step will be to buy my own system and put in a good power supply. If that doesn't work, I'll try a more expensive Quadro or graphics (not gaming) card. If that doesn't work, I'll look for a really good (and expensive) LCD monitor and plan on eating beans for a few weeks :)

Again, thank you NOLOVE and malak for your comments.

If anyone else has any suggestions, I'd be very grateful !!

Cheers,
Jeff