Future of the Athlon XP

[MrEgo]

Is AMD pushing the Barton core any higher, or are they planning on ramping up clock speed with any other core for an Athlon XP?

 

[Ticktanium2038]

To the best of my Knowledge that is the end of Barton or Athlon XP in its current form.
The chip will move to a 700+ pin form factor that will be socket compatible with Opteron motherboards. But as it stand AMD is moving foward their Opteron line. As prices decrease over time the Opteron will replace the Athlon XP line.

So The answer is Yes and No.
In its current form this appears to be the last Athlon XP chip clock.
In its new form of a 700+ pin package it may get a die shrink and ramp up a few more clock speeds but that is not until some time next year.

 

[lookouthere]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
To the best of my Knowledge that is the end of Barton or Athlon XP in its current form.
The chip will move to a 700+ pin form factor that will be socket compatible with Opteron motherboards. But as it stand AMD is moving foward their Opteron line. As prices decrease over time the Opteron will replace the Athlon XP line.

So The answer is Yes and No.
In its current form this appears to be the last Athlon XP chip clock.
In its new form of a 700+ pin package it may get a die shrink and ramp up a few more clock speeds but that is not until some time next year.

AXP will move to the 754pin but under A64 without 64 bit processing. To my knowledge, it will be on Victoria core or Paris core, not sure. It will be pin and pin compatible to A64, not Opteron. Opteron has 940 pins which is currently compatible with A64-FX(does not support SMP). A64-FX will move to 939pins early next year. the 939pin will eliminate the problems of using ECC ram

 

[0roo0roo]

not until they ramp up production, and lower the a64 cost. die shrink is a must apparently to do this.

 

[redhatlinux]

It REALLY would be magic to move the Athlon XP to the 754 package and be able to run on A64 mobo's. Why ? XP needs a Northbridge with a memory controller !! The memory controller is built in to A64 and Opteron cpu's. The 'rumor mill' has it that AMD will 'lock' A64 cpu's in 32bit mode and these will replace the XP. Time will tell.

 

[dguy6789]

the barton and athlon xp will continure period. At least till q2 2004. The athlon xp 3800+ is due out in q2 2004, on socket 462, at 2.5Ghz. The 3400+ is due out before then end of this year. The 3800+ is all i know of, but athlon xp is still going strong.

 

[Sid59]

is there a sort of graphical road map?

 

[Richdog]

So is Athlon XP the longest ever running line of CPU's then?

 

[dguy6789]

yea, i had it in my favorites, but the site isnt working, the roadmap showed the athlon xps, and the 64 series, showed the athlon 64 FX when it reaches 2.8ghz. I guess it may be the longest line of cpus, but hey, cant argue with the price/performance ratio. The athlon xp may be the next duron, you never know

 

[zephyrprime]

the barton and athlon xp will continure period. At least till q2 2004. The athlon xp 3800+ is due out in q2 2004, on socket 462, at 2.5Ghz. The 3400+ is due out before then end of this year. The 3800+ is all i know of, but athlon xp is still going strong.

That's interesting. I didn't know that they could squeeze anymore speed out of the Athlon.

 

[joe2004]

http://www.amdboard.com/barton3400.html

I think there are two problems with continuation of this line. First there is pricing problem because they obviously cannot be comparable to Athlon64. On the other hand pricing them lower would undercut the sale of Athlon64.
Then there is a memory problem because it is obvious there is a bottleneck in comparison to newer processor and Pentium IV. AMD cannot hope to gain any advantage over Intel because of that.
So it becomes somewhat of a oddity and I guess they don't really know what to do with that.

 

[KF]

>The chip will move to a 700+ pin form factor...

Is there some creditable source for this, or is the some Inquirer horsecrap. Or is it just something some guy on some forum said?

You got a link? How about an AMD anouncement?

People go from one extreme to another on this. First the Athlon 64 is going to be so expensive that no one will buy it in quantity for several years. Then there is no sense getting an Athlon XP because the Athlon 64 is replacing it next month.

What makes sense: The Athlon 64 is going to gradually fill in the $150 and above range in the next year. The Athlon XP (socket 462) will handle the price range below that for the nest 1 1/2 to 2 years, and AMD will do processes shink to the extent needed to accomplish that.

Disabling 64 bit capability on the Athlon 64 is total idiocy (unless it will reduce chip size). If they have airheads like that at AMD, AMD is headed for trouble. AMD needs as many 64 bit chips out there as possible, so the market moves they way they need it to.

 

[Jeff7181]

Disabling 64 bit capability on the Athlon 64 is total idiocy (unless it will reduce chip size). If they have airheads like that at AMD, AMD is headed for trouble. AMD needs as many 64 bit chips out there as possible, so the market moves they way they need it to.

Right... a smarter prediction would be that they'll reduce the cache sizes and reduce the clock speed to create a value processor. Once 64-bit computing takes off, there will be no reason for AMD to continue to manufacture 32-bit CPU's. I'd say within the next 2 years, AMD will stop making all 32-bit CPU's. There's just no need for them except to accomodate those of us who already have money wrapped up in 32-bit platforms. Once the majority of AMD enthusiasts upgrade to 64-bit platforms, it would be a waste to keep making 32-bit CPU's seeing as how the Athlon-64's are backward compatible.

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Disabling 64 bit capability on the Athlon 64 is total idiocy (unless it will reduce chip size). If they have airheads like that at AMD, AMD is headed for trouble. AMD needs as many 64 bit chips out there as possible, so the market moves they way they need it to.

Right... a smarter prediction would be that they'll reduce the cache sizes and reduce the clock speed to create a value processor. Once 64-bit computing takes off, there will be no reason for AMD to continue to manufacture 32-bit CPU's. I'd say within the next 2 years, AMD will stop making all 32-bit CPU's. There's just no need for them except to accomodate those of us who already have money wrapped up in 32-bit platforms. Once the majority of AMD enthusiasts upgrade to 64-bit platforms, it would be a waste to keep making 32-bit CPU's seeing as how the Athlon-64's are backward compatible.

xbitlabs

[AMD Athlon XP ?Paris? for Socket 754 package with 256KB of L2 cache and single-channel PC3200 DDR SDRAM memory controller. Made using 0.13 micron SOI technology. Rumoured not to support AMD64 instructions.
AMD Athlon XP ?Dublin? for Socket 754 package with 256KB of L2 cache, single-channel PC3200 DDR SDRAM memory controller and PowerNow! technology. Made using 0.13 micron SOI fabrication process. Rumoured not to support AMD64 instructions.
AMD Athlon XP ?Victoria? for Socket 754 package with 256KB of L2 cache and single-channel PC3200 DDR SDRAM memory controller. Made using 90nm SOI technology. Rumoured not to support AMD64 instructions. ]

this is unofficial, but its something. who knows what amd will really do

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Richdog
So is Athlon XP the longest ever running line of CPU's then?

Perhaps the XP is the longest running CPU core, but I'm not sure. I would definately say that the Athlon is the longest running mainstream CPU, however. The XP only started a year or two ago at 1500+. The Athlon has gone from 500 MHz to 2.2 Ghz. In terms of raw MHz, the P4 has actually come farther - from 1.3 GHz to 3.2Ghz so far, but the Athlon has been around longer and had a higher total % increase.

The fact that a variation of the Athlon, a competitor to the Pentium II/III, still battles today with Intel's P4 is a testament to just how good AMD's original design was.

 

[jjyiz28]

original athlon slot A, athlon thunderbird, athlon palomino (xp), thourobred a & b (xp), barton (xp). yep, guess xp name was along long time

 

[Bateluer]

Regardless of what happens, the AXP cores will be relegated to the low end, in much the same way as Celerons. The AXP Barton 3200 is no match for the P4 3.2C, but the A64 FX can take it. You can get a Barton 2500 and a decent mobo for less than 120, both retail parts, so its reasonable to make that assumption.

 

[Falloutboy]

woudn't it be smarter to come up with a duron version of the 64? take out a bunch of the cache off the a 64 to make the die smaller. this way it get more 64bit chips out on the market and still makes for a cheaper chip

 

[Bateluer]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20031022184805.html