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Future Crossfire cards not limited to 1600x1200 @ 60 Hz

Yep, should be an interesting race for the speed and feature crowns. Ati has pretty well cleared out the bad news - so maybe time for some good. :wine:
 
We took the opportunity to ask ATI about the reason for implimenting the DVI connecton instead of an internal hardware link like the nVidia product. The company stated that an internal connection would also have alienated existing X8xx series customers. If the new cards had such a link, then the existing cards would not have a way to interface with the new cards. Going forward, ATI felt that a DVI connection was the "best solution for all existing and future card owners."
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I thought the reason is because nVidia has a patent.

Regardless, the ability to match any two cards is a good feature that gets lost in the 60Hz laugh-fest.
 
That article made no sense because they ended it like this....
According to ATI, this current maximum is necessary to support as many current customers as possible and that the dongle (external cable) would not be replaced any time soon.
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Further proof that THG sucks.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
That article made no sense because they ended it like this....
According to ATI, this current maximum is necessary to support as many current customers as possible and that the dongle (external cable) would not be replaced any time soon.
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Further proof that THG sucks.
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I think if you read the article, that conclusion makes perfect sense.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
That article made no sense because they ended it like this....
According to ATI, this current maximum is necessary to support as many current customers as possible and that the dongle (external cable) would not be replaced any time soon.
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Further proof that THG sucks.
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This is not proof the THG sucks, just that you don't have very good reading comprehension.
 
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: Wreckage
That article made no sense because they ended it like this....
According to ATI, this current maximum is necessary to support as many current customers as possible and that the dongle (external cable) would not be replaced any time soon.
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Further proof that THG sucks.
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This is not proof the THG sucks, just that you don't have very good reading comprehension.
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Here you are again, being a typical jerk to everyone... I guess that is what you do best.
 
It means they are going to keep using the dongle and continue to have problems. Although I'm sure they can magically fix everything wrong with crossfire by next week when the R520 comes out.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
It means they are going to keep using the dongle and continue to have problems. Although I'm sure they can magically fix everything wrong with crossfire by next week when the R520 comes out.
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The dongle is not what is causing the resolution limitation. In fact the dongle is not a problem at all, except that some people don't like the idea of having an external cable.
 
Actually, the dongle is a liability to customers since it is a low volume items and the production cost has to be shifted to the consumers. I estimates with the low volume quantity it will cost around ~$3.50 minimum for the dongle itself from Molex or Tyco. Well, if you know how industry works, the cost to the consumers will be at least $10 to $20 more if the production cost increase by$3~4.
Anyway, I think by R600 the dongle should be gone and the crossfire solution will likely be integrated in the chips and no external components ( no extra BOM) needed.
 
Originally posted by: gunblade
Anyway, I think by R600 the dongle should be gone and the crossfire solution will likely be integrated in the chips and no external components ( no extra BOM) needed.
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I am surprised, given the fact that no card is even close to using all 16 PCI-E lanes, that neither the Crossfire or SLI do this already. Does PCI and PCI-E allow for two devices to communicate directly, or does it have to go through the Northbridge? Either way, I can't imagine it would be much slower than a dongle or link adapter. Hopefully next generation.

PS - Crossfire needs a good acronym.
 
"But ATI promises to remove that limitation with its next-generation graphic chip."

"This may be true of the current cards but this will not be the way of the future."

Lord help them if they make this mistake twice.
 
Originally posted by: Golgatha
"This may be true of the current cards but this will not be the way of the future."
Lord help them if they make this mistake twice.
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What confuses me is that in the next generation, that won't have this limit, does that mean you will not be able to Crossfire an X18 with an X8? If you still can Crossfire these two different generations together, then ATI is plain out lying about their excuses why the 'wanted' this limitation in this generation.

 
there probably is a reasom why ati sticks with external dongle. if i see it corectly the dongle has 1 master connector and 2 slave connectors. there is possibility that xfire can optimise more than 2 cards, single master with multiple slaves.
 
Originally posted by: route66
Originally posted by: gunblade
Anyway, I think by R600 the dongle should be gone and the crossfire solution will likely be integrated in the chips and no external components ( no extra BOM) needed.
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I am surprised, given the fact that no card is even close to using all 16 PCI-E lanes, that neither the Crossfire or SLI do this already. Does PCI and PCI-E allow for two devices to communicate directly, or does it have to go through the Northbridge? Either way, I can't imagine it would be much slower than a dongle or link adapter. Hopefully next generation.

PS - Crossfire needs a good acronym.
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SLI no longer requires the bridge chip, and I beleive that you can now SLI any two NVIDIA PCI-E cards together with the same gpu - even cards like the 6600, which weren't SLI capable in the past due to lack of a socket for the bridge chip. There is a performance hit for operating sans bridge chip though, so anyone that has an SLI rig that supports the bridge chip uses it. Getting rid of the bridge basically opens up SLI to the lower end of NVIDIA's line up as an upgrade option. We'll see if it holds any real value.
 
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