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ponyo

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It's pretty clear to me the era of ICE cars is coming to an end. So it might be wise to start thinking about last few ICE vehicles to buy and keep for personal enjoyment and as possible future collectable. So what cars do you think will be future collectable and sought after? I personally think any possible collectable must have manual gearbox. 5 or 6 speed manual is must IMO.
 

zinfamous

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My first thought is: models with low production runs/desired, fanboyish type cars. But then, you can't really "know" this until years later when a legend develops around them. But at least, you can look at how many will be built and it's probably best to start there above anything else, because you know there will eventually so few vehicles out there in years to come (bonus: find one from manufacturer that makes shitty but desirable cars, because then you hope that plenty of them will disintegrate over the years. So....an Italian car. But then, such owners will typically baby their cars, so probably less prone to rusting away).

Has to be unique in some way. Typically, you look for cars that are the first to try something, and that turns out to be an example of the system (old bi-turbos with sexy sounding engines; first AWD rally car types that laid the groundwork for standard designs across platforms, companies, and even the industry, etc). Or, a one-off unique? I want to think something like the gorgeous 5cyl engine in the Audi S3/RS3 is going to be that, and relatively few are made, that it might be worth considering. But...really, there isn't much else there. it's an Audi and at this point, they aren't really that interesting from a collectible standpoint. The history that Audi will ever make was made back in the 70s and 80s. The RS3 market is saturated with tons of competitors, and there's no reason to think that any one of them will be super special--even though that engine is very unique...so what?

Or whatabout crossover technologies? A lot of supercars in recent years that are deploying the ICE/EV hybrid systems for incredible actual performance and almost fantasy power numbers....these cars instantly jump in value, because they are extremely limited (you have to get invites directly from manufacturers to own one; and sometimes you aren't even allowed to keep it, lol. I'm thinking La Ferrari, the P1, etc). Those are easy to pick as future collectors, but you also need a couple million, and more now, just to invest. Good luck.

I don't think you can look at any newish car these days, from a styling standpoint, and consider that it might standout a few decades from now as truly beautiful, representative of something from today....because cars more and more look the same due to safety and regulation/efficiency requirements. It's just getting harder and harder to make something look different. The curve will only ever track towards a very common design.

So, supercars, basically, and more those that might not even be street legal. That's all that's left. You have to pay to play, I think. Meaning, you can't look at something like a reasonable priced generation of M3, M5 today, and expect it to go up in value like some of the prized generations of those models have before it. I think it's too difficult. The only way to guarantee serious collector value in dinosaur ICE vehicles is to start at, say Ford GT tier and beyond, lol. ...Maybe some one-off Porsches or "special" 911s? (lol, what is a special 911, anyway? This one, maybe?)
 
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zinfamous

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Zin, there are cars like the alpha 4c, or maybe an S 63 amg?

Yes, the alfa 4C definitely comes to mind. I was thinking that specifically, with "beautiful, desired, wonderful, also made to be shitty, like an Italian car." :D Should be very few of them, too?

I guess I could have thought more about it, so yeah, there are some more "reasonable," dependably predictable options out there. The 4C also doesn't have a whole lot of provenance, right? It's a "mostly new" model?

One way to expand on this, then--the collectabillity of a car within "whoknows" how many model years, is which year will be the one? That varies a lot from what are now pretty collectible cars: early Vipers (I think RT-10 from...some specific year is the one you want?), Supras, Integra Type-R.

It would seem that going for the birth year of a 4C is the best bet, but it's hard to say. Either way, all of them have a better chance of appreciating than say, your comparable M5 of the same model years, right?

Not bad, really:


Now, I don't know enough (anything, really), about how much mileage will effect value years down the road if it's just for collection purposes....but the gems are usually under 5k, right? Pretty tough to find something like that now, I imagine. Well, grab a new one and garage it, I guess?

But that would be like collecting Gundam and never taking them out of the box.....and way worse.
 
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ponyo

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Current, past, future models.

But I think people are going to want manual trans. Future EV cars will have such ridiculous 0-60 and computer assisted driving techs that focusing on current ICE performance is foolish and losing game. I think light handling, sound of the engine, type of the engine, and manual 5 or 6 speed trans will be what matters, IMO. Cars like manual Miatas will be desired. No automatic. Same with any Porsche or Ferrari. Automatic Porsche or Ferrari? Junkyard. If it doesn't have manual, it's not worth keeping IMO. So if you want GT3, it must be manual version. Because EV will crush ICE performance. So it has to be about driving feel, noise, and driver engagement.
 
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The 4C also doesn't have a whole lot of provenance, right? It's a "mostly new" model?

One way to expand on this, then--the collectabillity of a car within "whoknows" how many model years, is which year will be the one? That varies a lot from what are now pretty collectible cars: early Vipers (I think RT-10 from...some specific year is the one you want?), Supras, Integra Type-R.

Either way, all of them have a better chance of appreciating than say, your comparable M5 of the same model years, right?

plenty of alfa sports car history, but not that specific model designation. the 6c and 8c though.

who knows? i would think the m cars would continue to be good bets, but special models the M4, the alpina B7 etc.
 
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people that don't drive their fun cars often, also don't sell them quickly. I would say under 50k miles once you get some age on them. my dad for example, has an 87 aerocoupe monte carlo ss that was specifically ordered for racing we think, roll up windows, basic everything interior wise and an SS car with all those bits is a special order and never used with about 20k on it. better than showroom new. quite collectable. he sold the 87 notch back with about 7k on it about 10 years ago to purchase this aerocoupe car. he bought the notchback new, special order.
 

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OK, if you can find one, a WRX STI S209. Only made 209 of them!


here's the important part: it has a paddle to splash water into your intake, to keep things a wee bit cooler and gives you more horsepowers when boosting a lot. You want that because 20 years from now, it's going to be so bizarre, alien, ridiculous. What the hell were they thinking and why would I need that???? Like one of those Discman plate arms that you mounted over your hand brake to hold your discman, while playing your bitching CDs through a digital cassette-shaped adaptor in your radio.

The water paddle will look just as badass 20 years from now as that discman arm looks now. (I can't right now think of a good in-car example--like maybe the insane all digital console in that strange Aston Martin from 1987?' so the discman example will have to do--ah yeah, The Lagonda! Look at the sexy! :D). At least, it has the hoses connecting the system, routed into your engine bay to splash the water directly into the intake. It feels like that sort of stupid hand-made solution to a problem that you really don't have. That's why you want to collect this car.

Now, for the same price (probably cheaper), you can get a much, much, much cooler car, with absolutely zero nannies, pure driving goodness, and emulate the water cooling experience by keeping a jerry can filled with water in the trunk, pull over every 35-50 miles or so, pop the hood, and dump some into the bay to put out the fire. (that you will have).


And that's the kind of thing you want to do. It would be worth it, and you'd never look cooler. Bonus points if you instead choose to urinate directly into the radiator. These are the wonderful joys of the days of gentleman's motoring that will be lost in the future EV world, that you want to preserve.

(Yes, the 308 has actually always been my dream car, lol. I don't care if it's a piece of crap)
 
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A lot of JDM cars have already started rocketing in prices. Just look at supras, skylines, AE86's and even integras going up and up in price. The price will only rise as people crash them I think.

No guessing work required either, just pick something that's already appreciating fast.

My money would be on Evo's up to IX (9)
 
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zinfamous

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^great point. I was thinking it but forgot to put in my previous post: so many of those cars are going to end up wrapped around power poles and stop lights from overcompensated teenagers burning them from green light to green light. That will help remove stock--clean stock, anyway.
 

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^great point. I was thinking it but forgot to put in my previous post: so many of those cars are going to end up wrapped around power poles and stop lights from overcompensated teenagers burning them from green light to green light. That will help remove stock--clean stock, anyway.

Yep, exactly. Then you also have to take into account those that are "stored", but actually just rotting in a field and come out looking 100x worse :D

Oh, and don't forget the ones that just get beat on and never serviced. you bet the value of those will plummet, whilst the price of good examples will rise more.
 

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A Ford Mustang GT is always a solid choice. I'd imagine that car collectors will look fondly on 2010 era Mustangs, as that was the final "cool" era before they killed the brand by slapping a Mustang logo on an ugly electric crossover.
 
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yeah that...EV "Mustang" is a colossal joke of taste. What kind of goober would want to be seen in one of those abortions of common sense?

Anyway, the latest GTs are pretty gorgeous. It's not my preferred style, but I get it, and they are great at it. Someone in the neighborhood has a Shelby parked in front of their house, and it's beautiful. I love looking at that car. Of course, they also have an LE Accord with a "Mugen" sticker on it, and a Civic Sport--A SPORT; not even an SI--with the R Wing bolted onto the back. ...wtf. lol.
 
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herm0016

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oh yea, I love GNX's

I saw a mach-e and it looked great. much better than a model y or x, imho.

is it your opinion that all EV's are "abortions of common sense" ?
 

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I'm hoping my '02 Trans Am WS6 will someday become a collectible, keep thinking about selling and then decide to just hold on to it because it is fun to drive. Last year they were made, 6psd, rare color, and most have either been heavily modded or crashed.
 

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ponyo

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I found your car OP. You better jump on this thing and go. This will look right proper in your garage next to your CyberTruck, if that thing ever does exist


Better video:
(I love this dude--give him a chance. His work is quite clever in this series of videos)

Jay Leno is a complete turd, but whatever
I've never cared the GNX and never saw the appeal. I'm definitely getting the Cybertruck Tri-Motor. I wouldn't mind also getting the 2021 Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage edition as it's the last year for the US Land Cruiser but I can't really justify it because of the Cybertruck. Between the Cybertruck and Land Cruiser, I rather get the Cybertruck.

What I would like is small manual convertible sports car like the Miata, Boxster, or something similar. I never properly learned how to drive stick shift, and I would like to learn before it all disappears. It's too bad I bought automatic Corvette. At the time, I didn't want to deal with manual. Now I wish it was manual.
 

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I feel like the two ideas for the OP don't really go together. Keeping a car to enjoy generally means you are driving it but if you're driving it you're causing deprecation. You can have cars that hit a bottom and start to appreciate like various 911 have over the last 5+ years or so. But even then you have to maintain fairly low miles or appreciation is fairly low.

If you look at auctions a lot then a few things start to seem similar and they tend to be:

- Car is the top trim of its line up which also means they sold far fewer of the model
- Car was considered quite good for its time
- Car has fairly low mileage for it's age
- Car has depreciated about as far as it will go and you purchase it at this point (usually around 25-35% of its original value)

Easy example of the above is a 911 turbo. A not so good example is one that someone mentioned above which is the Alfa 4c. They originally produced both a coupe and a spider but neither sold in high quantity. Over the first few years the car depreciated slowly but fairly normal for a low production sports car. Then they announced they were discontinuing the coupe and now they sell used for 5-10k more than they did just a couple of years ago.



In regards to the Boxster the gens are like this:

986 - Old but cheap with very dated interior and softer handling
987 - Still fairly cheap, classic body style, last gen for hydraulic steering, handling is better but still dated interior and the minimum example I'd personally look at
981 - Much more modern interior, not so cheap anymore, updated exterior is more current Porsche and handling is equivalent to Cayman
982 - Current gen, basically does everything as well if not better than a 981, model name added 718, they dumped the NA flat 6 for a turbo 4 which is make or break for lots of people
 
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zinfamous

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I've never cared the GNX and never saw the appeal. I'm definitely getting the Cybertruck Tri-Motor. I wouldn't mind also getting the 2021 Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage edition as it's the last year for the US Land Cruiser but I can't really justify it because of the Cybertruck. Between the Cybertruck and Land Cruiser, I rather get the Cybertruck.

What I would like is small manual convertible sports car like the Miata, Boxster, or something similar. I never properly learned how to drive stick shift, and I would like to learn before it all disappears. It's too bad I bought automatic Corvette. At the time, I didn't want to deal with manual. Now I wish it was manual.

I don't know how one can like the Cybertruck looks and not get/see the appeal of the GNX. They both appeal to the same sort of sublime, invocation from terror.


Anyway, so then get a Hyundai i30N/Veloster N to learn how to drive stick in one of the funnest cars of the generation, that is pretty cheap cheap....might actually maybe worth something years from now when it becomes legend (but maybe not if you destroy the original clutch, lol),

and then spend a lot more money on something properly collectible?

Do you just want proper car without all the modern bullshit before it all disappears, more to have fun and look at, than truly hope it appreciates like the McClaren F1? I'm not sure both exists in one car....
 
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