FuryX now = 980ti 1080p/1440p > 4k

[thesmokingman]

I was referring to the quote about it being mainly a driver issue.

Huh? Driver issue, whatever the issue. How do you believe what they say in reference to my post? Do they expect their users to be that freaken stupid?

 

[dogen1]

Huh? Driver issue, whatever the issue. How do you believe what they say in reference to my post? Do they expect their users to be that freaken stupid?

I never said I believed anyone. I was responding to a post that claimed there were only 2 explanations, neither of which were the company's own explanation. I was asking if there was any factual basis behind the dismissal.

 

[thesmokingman]

I never said I believed anyone. I was responding to a post that claimed there were only 2 explanations, neither of which were the company's own explanation. I was asking if there was any factual basis behind this.

You say perhaps they were telling the truth. What's your point then??

 

[dogen1]

You say perhaps they were telling the truth. What's your point then??

I already explained it clearly.

 

[thesmokingman]

I never said I believed anyone. I was responding to a post that claimed there were only 2 explanations, neither of which were the company's own explanation. I was asking if there was any factual basis behind the dismissal.

What the hell? How did you get lost?

I'm not your mother. Read my posts again yourself.

What's wrong, can't answer a simple question, what's your point?

Are you high? You said they could be telling the truth!

You entered the post to more or less defend the dev or what? You ask what facts there are behind the dismissal, dismissal of what? Lets look at your post again.

You say incompetent and yet the game runs quite well on console.

Have you considered that perhaps they are telling the truth?

I don't know of any information that rules out this possibility.

I get the feeling you are defending the devs? What facts are there to prove otherwise you ask? Like it's a conspiracy or something yea?

Fact, SlightlyStupid studios denied everything, yet they do not bother to explain how or why AMD is so crippled. Their denials does not explain a thing and it only makes them look even more culpable especially when we look at the connections, the in game ads and crippled AMD performance. It's all a big misunderstanding right? Just a coincidence ya?

 

[richaron]

One of the reasons I was a nVidia fanboy ~15 years ago was because their cards "get better with time", relative to competition and old drivers. People who followed benchmarks could see ongoing driver development, but more importantly the noobs and the loudmouths created some sort of "lore" about nVidia's superiority which has lastest all this time.

Of course in reality there has been a paradigm shift, one can only hope this "lore" is not set in stone.

 

[hawtdawg]

I'm glad this is the case, but the Fury's OC ability (or lack of) still makes the 980ti a better card for me personally.

 

[stuff_me_good]

This is what I call "optimizations".

Far Cry 4 sucked on launch day and guess what, it still sucks.

GameWorks - the new business model by Nvidia. The way consumers are meant to be played 😎

Corrected.

 

[3DVagabond]

Poor AMD. They work so hard to improve their performance via drivers, yet even their own fans don't believe that. Company can't catch a break!

You know it's just because they made such crap drivers that it's making them look better now. Look at all that time this performance was locked away and they weren't competent enough to unleash it. /sarc

Please, spare me your patronizing BS.

 

[Erenhardt]

You're not factoring in load power usage into any of these scenarios... an R9 390X at load under high-end games like Crysis 3 can use as much as 487 watts according to AnandTech Bench. The GTX 980 uses 308. What's the price difference in these cards? $100? $50 if you catch a GTX 980 at $480 w/ $30 rebate?

How long do you think it'll take you to use that $50 extra cost for the NVIDIA card in power usage? Sure, to a lot of people it just won't matter. It doesn't matter to me (clearly), but I know there's some people who value cost per watt even in their video cards.

$100 is around 3,5 to 4k Hours of gaming. With 3 hours a day = 1200-1300 days = 3,5 years of extreme gaming for 3 hours straight, each day, every day.

Not something that will break your bank. Paying 25% more upfront on the other hand is something that many will not do as it is another price tier level.

 

[3DVagabond]

You're not factoring in load power usage into any of these scenarios... an R9 390X at load under high-end games like Crysis 3 can use as much as 487 watts according to AnandTech Bench. The GTX 980 uses 308. What's the price difference in these cards? $100? $50 if you catch a GTX 980 at $480 w/ $30 rebate?

How long do you think it'll take you to use that $50 extra cost for the NVIDIA card in power usage? Sure, to a lot of people it just won't matter. It doesn't matter to me (clearly), but I know there's some people who value cost per watt even in their video cards.

Some scenarios, it would absolutely make sense to get the AMD product... if you live in an apartment where electricity is covered through rent, or say living in a college dorm for instance. Otherwise, at some point, you really do need to seriously consider power cost.

Furthermore, as you said, there's no real offering from AMD that can match the GTX 980 Ti... they can be had for $609.99 from Newegg right now, and they are power sippers compared to Fury X.

If you ask me, unless you have access to free power, AMD's offerings are a tough sell if you tend to hang onto video cards for awhile and can recoup the initial investment into the card through power savings over time.

If you have a 144Hz gaming monitor you'll use it at idle in no time.

 

[Mondozei]

GCN is very strong in the full PBR engines like CryEngine 3.4+ or the newest Frostbite. So this is not game specific. The primary reason for this is the robust cache design and the memory bandwith.

You are spreading light to ignorance. Heed his words, sontin.

 

[vissarix]

Games are optimized towards one company or another...the most neutral game i can think of is maybe bf4.

We should look at firestrike scores to get the real potential of these gpu's..

 

[boozzer]

How about actually reading what's been posted and discussing instead of posting dumb sarcastic remarks that don't add any value to this thread.

damn I was hoping for the next level of spin on my post but I got crap instead 😵 I am disappointed, very. :\

 

[96Firebird]

You know it's just because they made such crap drivers that it's making them look better now. Look at all that time this performance was locked away and they weren't competent enough to unleash it.

Sounds like you are finally starting to understand things 3D, I'm very proud of you! :thumbsup:

 

[3DVagabond]

Sounds like you are finally starting to understand things 3D, I'm very proud of you! :thumbsup:

Nice ninja edit to obscure the meaning of the post. Seems as if nothing is beneath you.

 

[tential]

Poor AMD. They work so hard to improve their performance via drivers, yet even their own fans don't believe that. Company can't catch a break!

Yes I mean we saw the increases over time with driver updates. But let's ignore all of that. It's clear the only thing that happened was kepler just magically got worse over time.
Not that amd continually provided performance boosts through driver update after driver update....

Edit:next up, we'll talk about how the 980ti "regressed" in performance too rather than amd improving drivers to work with hbm.

 

[railven]

Man them Lightning results are amazing! While I wanted one, glad I didn't wait for it. Woof, almost 5 months after all the other cards came out. No thanks.

Good to see AMD addressing performance issues quicker. Fury owners won't have to face the performance drought Tahiti owners did! Enjoy it 😀

 

[Sunaiac]

Good to see AMD addressing performance issues quicker. Fury owners won't have to face the performance drought Tahiti owners did! Enjoy it 😀

Care to elaborate ?

Because if I could have the lack of performance I had with tahiti my whole life, I'd be happy.

Of course I could also have shed 450€ for a 680 then 650€ for a 780 for a grand total of 1100€ to get the final performances of a 350€ 7970. That would have made me look awesome, because nvidia, but it still doesn't tell me how I've been missing performance ?

 

[railven]

Care to elaborate ?

Because if I could have the lack of performance I had with tahiti my whole life, I'd be happy.

Of course I could also have shed 450€ for a 680 then 650€ for a 780 for a grand total of 1100€ to get the final performances of a 350€ 7970. That would have made me look awesome, because nvidia, but it still doesn't tell me how I've been missing performance ?

Tahiti launched with some poor drivers. As time progress, the performance gains were pretty big. There was the Never Settle Driver in 2013 that basically put Tahiti on the top. But that came almost a year after it's launch.

 

[Sunaiac]

Ok, but it still was at least 30% faster then a GTX580, and as fast as a 680 (OK, 6% behind at base clocks).

It's not like performance was bad. The fact performance got even higher is icing on the cake, cherry on the top. Plus nVidia also got a huge gain in BF3 shortly after.

I ran mine at 1200 instead of 925 too. Performance was awesome.

 

[railven]

Ok, but it still was at least 30% faster then a GTX580, and as fast as a 680 (OK, 6% behind at base clocks).

It's not like performance was bad. The fact performance got even higher is icing on the cake, cherry on the top. Plus nVidia also got a huge gain in BF3 shortly after.

I ran mine at 1200 instead of 925 too. Performance was awesome.

Who said performance was bad? Of course it got better, that was the premise of my original post.

AMD is deliver performance FASTER than when they were doing Tahiti.

 

[Sunaiac]

Then it might be that english is not my mothertongue, but "drought" sounds like "bad" to me 🙂
Like, I don't know, "in the desert and thirsty".

 

[railven]

Then it might be that english is not my mothertongue, but "drought" sounds like "bad" to me 🙂
Like, I don't know, "in the desert and thirsty".

English is also not my native tongue, but drought also means "a long period of time without"

a prolonged absence of something specified.
"he ended a five-game hitting drought"

And it was "bad" for Tahiti users. IE, my post:

Good to see AMD addressing performance issues quicker. Fury owners won't have to face the performance drought Tahiti owners did! Enjoy it 😀

As an ex Tahiti owner, I can attest to us getting the short end of the stick for a while.

 

[thesmokingman]

Tahiti launched with some poor drivers. As time progress, the performance gains were pretty big. There was the Never Settle Driver in 2013 that basically put Tahiti on the top. But that came almost a year after it's launch.

They weren't poor to be exact, but hamstrung by the VLIW drivers. It took them time to re-write the memory management for GCN, so the transition to full GCN took some time. It's not exactly poor as in they did a poor job, but more along the line of logistics.