Fury Nano Discussion Thread

[HOOfan 1]

Some of the conclusions he came to at the end of those Fury/FuryX reviews were pretty damn one sided. I can see slamming the price and availability, but look at some of his conclusions.

Considering the 390X edges out the 980 - I'm not sure how he came to the conclusion that the Fury X's competition is the 980?

Doesn't sound unprofessional at all. Perhaps incorrect, but not at all unprofessional. Cherry picking review sites seems much less professional.

 

[el etro]

AMD not giving Hardocp sample either: http://www.hardocp.com/news/2015/09/03/amd_refuses_to_sample_hardocp_new_nano#.Veh30Z3BzRY

I can get why their pissed with hardocp ("Nano PAPER launch", Fury reviews), but don't think it helps their cause.

I dunno too. Hocp does good tests. This time is a exaggeration from AMD.



EDIT: Got why: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/08/27/amd_radeon_r9_nano_video_card_paper_launch

AMD should not do this, still.

 

[HOOfan 1]

HardOCP gave the 390X and 380 glowing reviews.

 

[NomanA]

HDMI 2 only matters for 4k60p content. HDMI 1.4 will do 4k24p and 4k30p. For 4k60p is is an issue but you can always 4k vsr 1080p and let the TV upscale to 4k.

HDMI 2.0 is also important for carrying HDCP 2.2 exchanges, which would be needed for 4k blu-ray. HDR from these devices will also need HDMI 2.0. 4K blu-ray is something I am looking forward to a lot, because it'll allow passive 3D viewing on a 4K panel without sacrificing the 1080p resolution. Downconverting first and then upscaling to get around HDMI 1.4 limitations for general PC use sounds bad too.

If you are planning to get a high quality 4K TV, then HDMI 1.4 sounds like a terrible limitation. It's made even worse, considering how good the Nano can otherwise be in an HTPC.

 

[Eymar]

EDIT: Got why: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/08/27/amd_radeon_r9_nano_video_card_paper_launch

AMD should not do this, still.

Yeah not a fan witholding tactic. If hardocp does a negative review, just be prepared for it. Tweet a tongue in cheek response like "Not a fan of conclusion, but we understand being from Texas you don't appreciate small."

 

[monstercameron]

It's why I want to start reviewing lol. I already make decent disposable income, with far more earning potential down the road, and I hate the fact that people are overly nice in reviews. Just tell it how it is, rip it apart if it has to, but I WANT A REAL OPINION.
Not just "EVery product is an 8.5+!"

Just plagiarizing RussianSensation alone would be enough for me to start a blog lol.



It is. If it wasn't for Wasabi Mango Korean displays, I'd have a 980ti right now. It's the best performance I can get for the price. But since I can use freesync at 4K on an "HDTV"? Then, I'll try it. But for EVERY person who is normal, and will buy a TV/has a TV already with HDMI2.0? Ya... AMD shot themselves in the food hard. No HDMI 2.0 but screaming this is a 4K card that can do SFF for HTPC? Lol.....

VSR is huge though. Just 1440p VSR adds a massive difference for me at 80 inches. I only want a new card to get more VSR lol. I'm going to try an R9 290/x for the meantime though. The value is just too good there, especially if I crossfire, to get new card.

I often don't agree with your opinions but that made me lol.


What I don't get is why scott and co. are sobbing about this? It surely must be a mutually beneficial relationship because they don't give their cards out to be reviewed. So what is in it for amd to send them review samples for them to control amd's image. Apple does this all the time, sounds like a good company to emulate.

 

[monstercameron]

Yeah not a fan witholding tactic. If hardocp does a negative review, just be prepared for it. Tweet a tongue in cheek response like "Not a fan of conclusion, but we understand being from Texas you don't appreciate small."

that sounds more petty than just not dealing with them.

 

[3DVagabond]

We don't really know why they aren't getting cards. This could have nothing to do with politics.

 

[tential]

I often don't agree with your opinions but that made me lol.


What I don't get is why scott and co. are sobbing about this? It surely must be a mutually beneficial relationship because they don't give their cards out to be reviewed. So what is in it for amd to send them review samples for them to control amd's image. Apple does this all the time, sounds like a good company to emulate.

Considering the designs on these products, AMD should give them out to anyone who wants to review one. Fury X, R9 Nano, and Fury (Sapphire and Asus). That's all you can get. There isn't a poorly made card in that bunch.

I can buy a crappy 980Ti cooler easily. You really cant get a bad AMD HBM card now. That's something I'd show off. I'll be extremely surprised if this card isn't 90-95% of Fury X, quiet, and impressive.

 

[Eymar]

that sounds more petty than just not dealing with them.

That's why I'm not in marketing, but point is AMD shouldn't burn bridges.

 

[boozzer]

Considering the designs on these products, AMD should give them out to anyone who wants to review one. Fury X, R9 Nano, and Fury (Sapphire and Asus). That's all you can get. There isn't a poorly made card in that bunch.

I can buy a crappy 980Ti cooler easily. You really cant get a bad AMD HBM card now. That's something I'd show off. I'll be extremely surprised if this card isn't 90-95% of Fury X, quiet, and impressive.

why give free products to reviewers who is 100% biased and would not give your product a fair review unless you pay up? 3rd party sellers do need to step up their game though and send out some cards to fair reviewers.

@eymar you assumed there was a bridge there to begin with. :biggrin:

 

[Silverforce11]

Would you give it to these fools?

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819470&postcount=6

I actually hung up on the call when they told us the price. Apparently AMD puts a lot of value in underclocking a GPU, putting it on a smaller PCB, deleting the water cooler, and calling it Nano.

They don't even realize their forum has a huge mITX enthusiast group?

 

[monstercameron]

Would you give it to these fools?

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819470&postcount=6



They don't even realize their forum has a huge mITX enthusiast group?

doesnt matter because you can put a titan x in some mitx cases so it invalidates this card.

 

[Silverforce11]

doesnt matter because you can put a titan x in some mitx cases so it invalidates this card,

some mitx cases. and it doesn't invalidate it at all, what if its quieter than the titan x blower?

If I was building a mITX rig, I will build this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3gmm6rjVKA

It's one of the tiniest that looks stunning.

 

[monstercameron]

some mitx cases. and it doesn't invalidate it at all, what if its quieter than the titan x blower?

i was just stating their pov to show how absurd it is,

 

[3DVagabond]

That's why I'm not in marketing, but point is AMD shouldn't burn bridges.

So, should they allow the tech sites to dictate to them? Fear that if they don't coddle them they'll give them bad reviews?

Have you read the comments in the "paper launch" thread at (H)? They damned the card even before they received a sample. What's the point of sending them a sample if the conclusions have already been drawn?

 

[Eymar]

Would you give it to these fools?

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819470&postcount=6

They don't even realize their forum has a huge mITX enthusiast group?

Wow, I must have a bad memory. Were these guys always so condescending? I'm not in the market for a high end m-itx card, but I can still see that Nano (if 80-90% performance of Fury X) technically impressive and should be a desirable card for the market it's targeting. It's definitely not mass market, but doesn't look like it will be marketed as such.

 

[Eymar]

So, should they allow the tech sites to dictate to them? Fear that if they don't coddle them they'll give them bad reviews?

Have you read the comments in the "paper launch" thread at (H)? They damned the card even before they received a sample. What's the point of sending them a sample if the conclusions have already been drawn?

No, I see that point. However, the counterpoint is AMD is going to sour themselves with reviewers who either know Kyle personally or will side will Kyle just from a reviewer standpoint. Also AMD will lose the site's reader base. Unless your Apple or a small business it's not a good tactic in my opinion.

 

[Silverforce11]

Wow, I must have a bad memory. Were these guys always so condescending? I'm not in the market for a high end m-itx card, but I can still see that Nano (if 80-90% performance of Fury X) technically impressive and should be a desirable card for the market it's targeting. It's definitely not mass market, but doesn't look like it will be marketed as such.

No, 2 years ago they were quite professional. No forum trolling or that stuff.

It all started with GameWorks. They bench games with it, a lot of times GW features are on.

They even blamed AMD for bad performance in NV GameWorks sponsored titles but they never bothered to notice or even mention, in a neutral title, AMD performs just fine. Even Kepler performs great in neutral titles.

And they've been trolling AMD ever since. Now they expect to keep on getting kind treatment from AMD in return?

 

[Silverforce11]

No, I see that point. However, the counterpoint is AMD is going to sour themselves with reviewers who either know Kyle personally or will side will Kyle just from a reviewer standpoint. Also AMD will lose the site's reader base. Unless your Apple or a small business it's not a good tactic in my opinion.

It doesn't matter because [H] choose to sour themselves against AMD in the first place. There's nothing positive from their reviews for AMD.

Look at their Fury review, the Asus Strixx Fury was faster than the 980 (with GameWorks off), it uses ~11% more power, but was much faster, what's their conclusion?

980 is more power efficient (wrong, even with their data), 980 is cheaper, therefore, 980 is the better card. How do you expect AMD to take that kind of fail analysis?

 

[Eymar]

It doesn't matter because [H] choose to sour themselves against AMD in the first place. There's nothing positive from their reviews for AMD.

Look at their Fury review, the Asus Strixx Fury was faster than the 980 (with GameWorks off), it uses ~11% more power, but was much faster, what's their conclusion?

980 is more power efficient (wrong, even with their data), 980 is cheaper, therefore, 980 is the better card. How do you expect AMD to take that kind of fail analysis?

I'll take your word for hardocp's recent AMD stances. I'm just looking at it from a startup point of view and hardocp being customer/investor type. Even if you don't like investor\customer personally, they could have sway with anyone else you meet as it's small world. I do commend AMD for taking a stand so I hope this doesn't hurt them with Nano and in the future.

EDIT: Ah man, after reading that Paper launch thread it would pain me to give them a card too. Shame, I always liked how hardocp did their reviews as they're subjective take was different. I skipped conclusions anyways so probably will still use them.

 

[tential]

Just closed on a Sapphire Trix R9 290 for $200.

Over the last few months we’ve seen some very impressive open air cooled cards come across our labs. But as 2013 comes to a close it may very well be Sapphire’s 290 Tri-X OC that’s the most impressive of them all. Despite the high power load presented by a 290 card and in contrast to the problems AMD’s reference cooler encountered, Sapphire’s 290 Tri-X OC completely sweeps the field here. We would just as well have expected it to beat all of our blower based cards and even tie some of our other open air cooled cards, but as we can see it has gone above and beyond every other card when it comes to noise levels under our Crysis 3 gaming workload.

So happy I waited and lost out on other deals. Seems the TriXX cooler has only gotten better though.

 

[Zstream]

My god... Why do adults act like children. I can understand someone's enthusiasm for a product, but most people mature to a point that they thirst for knowledge and branding is second.

If I was a reporter, I'd do just that, report. Who knows, click blait is pretty popular these days as it draws revenue. I'm not sure how tech sites like these receive money on advertisement. Regardless, that guy is immature and shouldn't be taken serious. Ryan Smith 4tw

 

[tg2708]

Would you give it to these fools?

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819470&postcount=6



They don't even realize their forum has a huge mITX enthusiast group?

Wow that was very disrespectful. That's disgraceful etiquette from a well known review site. I would not send them a card.

 

[tg2708]

Just closed on a Sapphire Trix R9 290 for $200.

So happy I waited and lost out on other deals. Seems the TriXX cooler has only gotten better though.

Awesome. Is it new or used? Can you link the website if possible?