Fury cards will NOT have HDMI 2.0 outputs

[n0x1ous]

DP to Dual-Link DVI adapters have been available for awhile now.

but not @ 120hz

 

[Despoiler]

DVI is a dead standard. Several major players including AMD said way back in 2010 that they were dropping support for legacy interfaces. 2015, here we are.

 

[darckhart]

well this is just a poor choice. tsk tsk.

 

[5150Joker]

DP to Dual-Link DVI adapters have been available for awhile now. The DP to HDMI 2 is something new.

Sure, the focus on DP on Fury X will reduce its compatibility, but it does support 2 active adapters. The adapter $ would have to be factored in for the total cost.

Haha.."get a bigger case" and now "get an active expensive adapter too!". Pretty soon with all the added costs this thing will be as expensive as a Titan X but far more tedious.

 

[rchunter]

DVI is a dead standard. Several major players including AMD said way back in 2010 that they were dropping support for legacy interfaces. 2015, here we are.

Is hdmi 1.4 not a legacy interface? Why didn't they drop support for that also?

 

[Spanners]

This means that Project Quantum is pretty much meaningless. It's clearly intended to be hooked up to a TV, but it can't do 4K@60 on a TV. Likewise, the people who were discussing the use of Fury Nano as a hybrid HTPC/gaming card are now all going to be bitterly disappointed.

They were touting it as a VR system in the marking I saw. What gave you the "clearly intended to be used with a TV" impression? Also it's just a showcase/proof of concept right? I didn't think they were ever intending to sell it?

Personally I don't care because I'm not interested in PC gaming in-front of a TV but it's definitely a potential shortcoming.

"It's hard to overstate how serious a blunder this is" You're giving it an honest attempt though.

 

[Mako88]

Damn. Confirmation, just came in tonight:

http://www.twitch.tv/thetechreport/b/670328467

Jump to 36:00...

"It is the case that the display block on this card hasn't changed substantially from the Tonga. As a result, HDMI 2.0 is not supported by this card."

Well shoot, that's it then. Nothing we can do. Fury X is a fantastic card, it deserves all of our support, tremendous value for anyone with a display port on their monitor. Bad mistake about HDMI 2.0, hopefully corrected at some point early next year.

 

[Spanners]

Haha.."get a bigger case" and now "get an active expensive adapter too!". Pretty soon with all the added costs this thing will be as expensive as a Titan X but far more tedious.

Well you could buy 2 cases and a $100 adapter and still have some money spare so while it's not an upside it's certainly not reaching Titanic pricing levels.

 

[DDH]

Damn. Confirmation, just came in tonight:

http://www.twitch.tv/thetechreport/b/670328467

Jump to 36:00...

"It is the case that the display block on this card hasn't changed substantially from the Tonga. As a result, HDMI 2.0 is not supported by this card."

Well shoot, that's it then. Nothing we can do. Fury X is a fantastic card, it deserves all of our support, tremendous value for anyone with a display port on their monitor. Bad mistake about HDMI 2.0, hopefully corrected at some point early next year.

And who exactly are these two propellerheads? Cant see AMD tech doing a live cross from his basement.

 

[iiiankiii]

Haha.."get a bigger case" and now "get an active expensive adapter too!". Pretty soon with all the added costs this thing will be as expensive as a Titan X but far more tedious.

Or if you've already have a "bigger case" like most of us already do and don't need to "get an active expensive adapter" because you'll be using a DP, you can grab another SSD, some more RAM, maybe some solid sound system, or maybe another monitor, or maybe a ballin' headset, mechanical gaming keyboard, a nice gaming mouse, or any combination of things. Come to think of it, $350 can buy you a butt load of things.

 

[x3sphere]

And who exactly are these two propellerheads? Cant see AMD tech doing a live cross from his basement.

Guy on the left is the EIC of TechReport. Guessing he knows a thing or two.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

This is just another example of AMD having the worst marketing department ever.

It's not bad marketing; bad marketing would be if they actually had HDMI 2.0 but were completely unable to convince anyone of it. This is bad design; that's on the engineers (or the people managing that department who said, "No, we'll save money here"). Marketing would kill for buzzword features like "HDMI 2.0."

 

[Eymar]

As a consumer highly disappointed by the decision to leave out HDMI 2.0. However, as tech enthusiast I can see why it was left out if needed a new display block. AMD probably needed to hit aggressive schedule milestones (or was already late and needed to hurry) to get a Fury release for June. HDMI 2.0 would needed new drivers and QA on something most users would not ever use so a big risk even if it seems pretty trivial on the surface to implement.

 

[Vesku]

Guru3d has card in hand and was apparently cleared to release specs, confirms HDMI 1.4.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-releases-radeon-r9-fury-x-details-exclusive-photos.html

 

[dacostafilipe]

... on something most users would not ever use ...

I don't know. With all those comments on this, there seems to be a lot people with a 4K TV that play pc games on it ...

I do have some friends with 4K TVs but none of them have a PC attached to it.

That said, not having the new stuff on a new GPU is kinda *meh*

 

[therealnickdanger]

Welp, I guess that's that. What a stupid oversight! And yes, it is stupid for the reasons outlined below. It would be one thing if DP-HDMI2 adapters existed and were included in the box for the $549/649 price, but that is not the case. Maybe AMD assumed adapters would be available by now? Were they just ignoring the 4K HDTV market? Just trying to save a buck?

1. HDMI 2.0 has been available since 2013
2. New 4K HDTVs have HDMI 2.0 ports
3. No 4K HDTVs have DisplayPort
4. DP-to-HDMI 2.0 adapters do not currently exist in retail (indications are they will be available by "the end of the year")
5. The GTX 980 and 970 have HDMI 2.0... they are 10 months old...
6. Fury is marketed as the ultimate 4K GPU
7. 4K Blu-ray is arriving this fall with features not possible over 1.4
8. When adapters do finally come to market, it will be an additional cost
9. 4K HDTVs are growing in sales and decreasing in price http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rd...y_record_of_3_million_units_in_april_2015.asp
10. Out of all computer monitors (not TVs) sold on Newegg and Amazon, HDMI is 30% more common than DP
11. AMD recently demonstrated FreeSync over HDMI, proving that they still are interested in the standard

#fauxrage #illogical #noreasontobeupset

The gist of all of the above is that I wanted Fiji to be perfect and I was hoping to make my decision based purely on performance, not on an I/O technicality:

1. For $649, I can buy a Fury X that will work with my DP 144Hz monitor, but not my 4K60 HDTV until there is an adapter of unknown price. It may or may not work with a DVI 75Hz 1600p monitor without an expensive adapter.
2. For $649 I can buy a 980Ti that will work with my DP 144Hz monitor, 75Hz 1600p DVI monitor, and my HDMI 2.0 4K60 HDTV.

 

[garagisti]

Welp, I guess that's that. What a stupid oversight! And yes, it is stupid for the reasons outlined below. It would be one thing if DP-HDMI2 adapters existed and were included in the box for the $549/649 price, but that is not the case. Maybe AMD assumed adapters would be available by now? Were they just ignoring the 4K HDTV market? Just trying to save a buck?

1. HDMI 2.0 has been available since 2013
2. New 4K HDTVs have HDMI 2.0 ports
3. No 4K HDTVs have DisplayPort
4. DP-to-HDMI 2.0 adapters do not currently exist in retail (indications are they will be available by "the end of the year")
5. The GTX 980 and 970 have HDMI 2.0... they are 10 months old...
6. Fury is marketed as the ultimate 4K GPU
7. 4K Blu-ray is arriving this fall with features not possible over 1.4
8. When adapters do finally come to market, it will be an additional cost
9. 4K HDTVs are growing in sales and decreasing in price http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rd...y_record_of_3_million_units_in_april_2015.asp
10. Out of all computer monitors (not TVs) sold on Newegg and Amazon, HDMI is 30% more common than DP
11. AMD recently demonstrated FreeSync over HDMI, proving that they still are interested in the standard

#fauxrage #illogical #noreasontobeupset

The gist of all of the above is that I wanted Fiji to be perfect and I was hoping to make my decision based purely on performance, not on an I/O technicality:

1. For $649, I can buy a Fury X that will work with my DP 144Hz monitor, but not my 4K60 HDTV until there is an adapter of unknown price. It may or may not work with a DVI 75Hz 1600p monitor without an expensive adapter.
2. For $649 I can buy a 980Ti that will work with my DP 144Hz monitor, 75Hz 1600p DVI monitor, and my HDMI 2.0 4K60 HDTV.

UHD blu ray standard wasn't finalised till about a month or so ago. Result? Most of the stuff which is not HDCP 2.2 compliant, will not playback a proper 12-bit video with all its goodness. A lot of TV's/ receivers out there are going to have a problem with that. Just like when HDCP compliance wasn't detected, a 1080p video was downgraded, you will have something similar here. Nvidia's cards also aren't HDCP 2.2 compliant as per users who're on AVS who have those cards.

For gaming, while it is inconvenient, if you could get an adapter (which should be launching in Q3 or so), and it works, then gaming on 4k with a few more FPS is not a big deal really. Or, if you don't like to tinker much, and want something straightforward, Nvidia cards are calling out to you. I was pleasantly surprised to see Nvidia do that on 9xx series at launch (usually AMD have led them in this department and since hd4xxx), and i have to say that it is nice to have something on the card itself, than having adapters. However, Fury (without water-cooling) will be cheaper and by at least about $100 or so. Trade offs really based on whatever you're comfortable with and whatever meets your needs really.

 

[Atreidin]

Serious question, are there 4k TVs with input lag comparable to a good PC monitor for gaming? Input lag is what has always kept me away from gaming seriously on TVs.

 

[cbrunny]

I can't help but think this is the least significant downside to Fiji that we've heard thus far.

 

[tential]

Serious question, are there 4k TVs with input lag comparable to a good PC monitor for gaming? Input lag is what has always kept me away from gaming seriously on TVs.

Probably not but for other people it's not a big deal. 30 ms of input lag isn't a problem to me. I've played with over 100 ms before and I'm sure many console gamers have too.

There simply isn't enough time in the day right now to stress how mad I am about 0 hdmi 2.0 support.

Ugh this decision is 10 times harder when before the fury x was an easy win which is what really is odd because why would amd just leave money on the table. Like that.....

 

[coercitiv]

UHD blu ray standard wasn't finalised till about a month or so ago. Result? Most of the stuff which is not HDCP 2.2 compliant, will not playback a proper 12-bit video with all its goodness. A lot of TV's/ receivers out there are going to have a problem with that. Just like when HDCP compliance wasn't detected, a 1080p video was downgraded, you will have something similar here.

Hehe, I remember how my Dell 2407 made that HDCP compliance problem painfully obvious to me.

 

[96Firebird]

Nvidia's cards also aren't HDCP 2.2 compliant as per users who're on AVS who have those cards.

Where did you see this?

 

[Creig]

3. No 4K HDTVs have DisplayPort

Panasonic has been including DisplayPort on their 4K televisions for a couple years now.

And besides, the overwhelming majority of people out there game on monitors, not TVs. I doubt that not having HDMI 2.0 is going to slow sales of the Fury X all that much. The 4K60Hz gaming crowd is a miniscule percentage of the overall market.

 

[cbrunny]

3. No 4K HDTVs have DisplayPort

Panasonic has been including DisplayPort on their 4K televisions for a couple years now.

And besides, the overwhelming majority of people out there game on monitors, not TVs. I doubt that not having HDMI 2.0 is going to slow sales of the Fury X all that much. The 4K60Hz gaming crowd is a miniscule percentage of the overall market.

Well, in fairness, those that buy Fury X will also be a miniscule percentage of the overall market, but there is likely to be considerable overlap in those that buy Fury X and those that have 4K60HZ tvs due simply to cost of both alone. Odds are good if you can afford one you can afford the other, but if you can only afford one you don't care about the other.

That being said, I really don't think this will slow anyone's decision provided that X really is the best card on the market right now. If you can afford a 4K60HZ tv and a Fury X and the rest of a rig, you can afford a DP->HDMI 2.0 adapter.

The impact of people that this will actually deter from buying the Fury X is probably no more than a rounding error on their spreadsheets.

 

[Despoiler]

Is hdmi 1.4 not a legacy interface? Why didn't they drop support for that also?

Notice how I said DVI. I didn't say what flavor of DVI. Why? The entirety of DVI is dead. Again, there is no standards group. The HDMI working group still exists and is iterating the standard. Your attempt at cleverness just shows your reading comprehension needs work.