Furmark is bull****!!

[yh125d]

That is my conclusion, and I'll tell you why.

1st run

My setup for first run of furmark was my 4890 in sig with those clocks cooled by a scythe musashi with fans at 100%, 1600 RPM 120mm side fan pulling air in and ~1200RPM 120mm back fan exhausting (+ psu fan). xtreme burn mode. I shut it down when I saw artifacts and saw these max temps in GPU-z

GPU - 78c
MEMIO - 102.5C
SHADERCORE - 91C
VDDC1 - 119C
VDDC2 - 126C
VDDC3 - 125C
????1 - 104C
????2 - 102C

Pretty high eh. You might say "Wow man, you gotta put a heatsink on those VRMs!", but I do already. I'm still using the stock metal heatsink on the VRMs and RAM, and it now actually has fans blowing on it with the scythe.


2nd run

Backed clocks down to stock. Turned on 140mm top fan at ~1200rpm exhausting and a 1600rpm 120mm up front on intake. I watched as furmark went and the temps crept up til BSOD. No fun eh? GPU temp in furmark's monitor was 80c when it crashed from xtreme burn


*FAIL*


So I saw "screw this man! I'll put my old accelero s1 on there, it'll for sure keep up. plus the thicker/higher speed fans will blow more on the vrm sink to cool those off", and I switched the coolers


3rd run

Stock clocks, Accelero S1 with two 92mm 1200rpm fans on it and a fresh layer of AS5. I go ahead and kick the top fan to 2000rpm and add a second front intake fan at 1600rpm. Surely this setup can kick ass right? no extreme burn mode this time

*when I shut it off because GPU temp was too high*
GPU - 92c
MEMIO - 102c
SHADER - 90c
VDDC1 - 101c
VDDC2 - 99.5c
VDDC3 - 102c

Well, the VDDC definitely came down, 20-23c. But GPU temp skyrocketed, when I shut it off it was 92c and still climbing 2c or more each refresh. Uh oh, I fucked up and need to remount. So I did (gpu core was making good contact by the looks of the AS5)


4th run

Kick the 92mm fans to 2200RPM. Surely this can work better, this setup ought to rival a WC setup in theory. BUT, same damn story. GPU got to 90c+ quick and wasn't stopping, so I shut er down. Didn't even bother writing temps, I knew what they were



So i figures, I'll try something different to see what my temps are. So I load up WoW, turn everything to ultra and fly around Dal shaking my camera around getting 10fps for a couple minutes. Minimize, and I see...

GPU - 44c
MEMIO - 49.5c
SHADER - 45c
VDDC1 - 53c
VDDC2 - 54c
VDDC3 - 55c


/facepalm.....picard.jpg.......renaultv8.jpg.....

Now it all makes sense. Furmark is a tool to give you BSODs and burn up your GPU. What the hell good is a program that makes your GPU and VRMs run at twice the temp an actual game does? Can someone make this make sense to me?

 

[thilanliyan]

WoW is not very demanding. Try Crysis or something similar for higher temps...it won't get as high as Furmark though.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: thilan29
WoW is not very demanding. Try Crysis or something similar for higher temps...it won't get as high as Furmark though.

You haven't played in awhile


Oh, I forgot to mention that when I ran the WoW test, I dropped the 920mm fans on the accelero to 1200rpm, the top 140mm to 1200rpm, and turned OFF both front intake fans and still got that low temps


Ok, I'll run some other stuff

Far Cry 2 benchmark. 1920x1080, ultra high DX10 8xAA

GPU - 52.5c
MEMIO - 58c
SHADER - 53.5c

VDDC1 - 65c
VDDC2 - 66c
VDDC3 - 66c


COD5 - just played for about 10 mins at 1920x1080 all max settings and 4xAA

GPU - 56.5c
MEMIO - 64c
SHADER - 59c
VDDC1 - 67c
VDDC2 - 68c
VDDC3 - 69c

 

[yusux]

Vantage >= Crysis in quality in some test

WoW graphics look so dated, it won't stress the card

 

[nib95]

Furmark isn't tough enough imo. I go through Furmark without any hitch or artifacting, but half an hour or more with Crysis on extreme settings can cause glitches or even a freeze/crash. Stop using WoW and using something substantial.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: nib95
Furmark isn't tough enough imo. I go through Furmark without any hitch or artifacting, but half an hour or more with Crysis on extreme settings can cause glitches or even a freeze/crash. Stop using WoW and using something substantial.

Yeah I can pass furmark at some settings but it would fail in Vantage (not due to temp).

 

[ronnn]

Strange new game, but I like the rules. Apply stress and see if it still works. Guess a burnt card will give incentive to buy dx11 next month. :thumbsup:

 

[ShawnD1]

I can beat all your asses at this game.

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[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
I can beat all your asses at this game.

picture

Defective card?

 

[Sylvanas]

The reason for the shitty framerates in WoW is not because it's demanding but because it is very CPU dependent and even then it is not optimized as CPU utilization only hits barely 50%+ with a Dual Core (there was a thread about this in the PC gaming forum not long ago) nowhere near demanding on the GPU side. So you are complaining a GPU stress application is stressing your GPU too much? .... It is there to be used as a burn in.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
I can beat all your asses at this game.

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Defective card?

Nope. Card works great. No artifacts, it's OCCT GPU stable.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas
The reason for the shitty framerates in WoW is not because it's demanding but because it is very CPU dependent and even then it is not optimized as CPU utilization only hits barely 50%+ with a Dual Core (there was a thread about this in the PC gaming forum not long ago) nowhere near demanding on the GPU side. So you are complaining a GPU stress application is stressing your GPU too much? .... It is there to be used as a burn in.

No. it can make my dual core hit 80-90% on both cores no problem. I've played WoW for three years, I have a pretty good idea of how it works. It is definitely limited by CPU AND GPU both. If it wasn't, I wouldn't have seen as much of a gain as I did when I moved to my 4890....




But that's not the point. The point of this thread is, what good is furmark when I can play demanding games all day long (Far Cry 2, Fallout 3, COD5, Crysis) with the clocks in my sig and temps from 50-60c and not a single artifact/glitch, but 60 seconds into furmark I'm 90c and climbing fast? It's no good to me as a burn in or OC testing tool, I can't let it run for more than 2 mins maybe. That led me to the conclusion that Furmark (for me) is bullshit

There must be something causing these temps. I have damn near the best air cooling setup you can have, it should not be running that hot

 

[RussianSensation]

I think the purpose of Furmark is to stress the GPU as much as possible. However, it's likely that 99% of games out there will never test the GPU to the same degree.

For example, Orthos/Prime 95 required me to bump my cpu voltage to 1.41875 to get it stable. In reality I run my cpu 24/7 with voltage in sig and it has never crashed once.

So while I do use stress testing programs, I only use them as a guide.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
I think the purpose of Furmark is to stress the GPU as much as possible. However, it's likely that 99% of games out there will never test the GPU to the same degree.

For example, Orthos/Prime 95 required me to bump my cpu voltage to 1.41875 to get it stable. In reality I run my cpu 24/7 with voltage in sig and it has never crashed once.

So while I do use stress testing programs, I only use them as a guide.

I get that stress tests are usually going to be more demanding than any actual app, but by this degree is just nuts. Twice the temps? That's not stress testing, it's running an engine at redline with no oil

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: yh125d
That is my conclusion, and I'll tell you why.

1st run

My setup for first run of furmark was my 4890 in sig with those clocks cooled by a scythe musashi with fans at 100%, 1600 RPM 120mm side fan pulling air in and ~1200RPM 120mm back fan exhausting (+ psu fan). xtreme burn mode. I shut it down when I saw artifacts and saw these max temps in GPU-z

GPU - 78c
MEMIO - 102.5C
SHADERCORE - 91C
VDDC1 - 119C
VDDC2 - 126C
VDDC3 - 125C
????1 - 104C
????2 - 102C

Pretty high eh. You might say "Wow man, you gotta put a heatsink on those VRMs!", but I do already. I'm still using the stock metal heatsink on the VRMs and RAM, and it now actually has fans blowing on it with the scythe.


2nd run

Backed clocks down to stock. Turned on 140mm top fan at ~1200rpm exhausting and a 1600rpm 120mm up front on intake. I watched as furmark went and the temps crept up til BSOD. No fun eh? GPU temp in furmark's monitor was 80c when it crashed from xtreme burn


*FAIL*


So I saw "screw this man! I'll put my old accelero s1 on there, it'll for sure keep up. plus the thicker/higher speed fans will blow more on the vrm sink to cool those off", and I switched the coolers


3rd run

Stock clocks, Accelero S1 with two 92mm 1200rpm fans on it and a fresh layer of AS5. I go ahead and kick the top fan to 2000rpm and add a second front intake fan at 1600rpm. Surely this setup can kick ass right? no extreme burn mode this time

*when I shut it off because GPU temp was too high*
GPU - 92c
MEMIO - 102c
SHADER - 90c
VDDC1 - 101c
VDDC2 - 99.5c
VDDC3 - 102c

Well, the VDDC definitely came down, 20-23c. But GPU temp skyrocketed, when I shut it off it was 92c and still climbing 2c or more each refresh. Uh oh, I fucked up and need to remount. So I did (gpu core was making good contact by the looks of the AS5)


4th run

Kick the 92mm fans to 2200RPM. Surely this can work better, this setup ought to rival a WC setup in theory. BUT, same damn story. GPU got to 90c+ quick and wasn't stopping, so I shut er down. Didn't even bother writing temps, I knew what they were



So i figures, I'll try something different to see what my temps are. So I load up WoW, turn everything to ultra and fly around Dal shaking my camera around getting 10fps for a couple minutes. Minimize, and I see...

GPU - 44c
MEMIO - 49.5c
SHADER - 45c
VDDC1 - 53c
VDDC2 - 54c
VDDC3 - 55c


/facepalm.....picard.jpg.......renaultv8.jpg.....

Now it all makes sense. Furmark is a tool to give you BSODs and burn up your GPU. What the hell good is a program that makes your GPU and VRMs run at twice the temp an actual game does? Can someone make this make sense to me?

Wow is engine limited; it just can't handle everything high res. It's not a setup issue, its an efficiency issue. There's no reason my 9800GT should have been getting 23fps in Dalaran when my CPU was only running at 20%.

I've found UT3 to give my card a tough workout, try that.

 

[geokilla]

Lol Furmark is BS so you use WoW to test your graphic card.

How good is the airflow in your Antec 300?

 

[yh125d]

Read the thread. I also gave Far Cry 2 and COD5 numbers for those who don't think WoW uses the GPU much. Also, I gave a pretty detailed description of the airflow.


soccerballtux, I very much doubt your CPU runs at 20% in dal. As I said already my dual core runs 80-90% on both cores. If yours is doing 20%, its a problem with your setup, not with WoW

 

[Rubycon]

It's like Linpack to your CPU. No real world app is going to produce such a thermal output on a continuous basis. It's good to see how your thermal solution handles the full electrical output of your hardware, however.

 

[OCNewbie]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
It's good to see how your thermal solution handles the full electrical output of your hardware, however.

I agree

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: yh125d
Read the thread. I also gave Far Cry 2 and COD5 numbers for those who don't think WoW uses the GPU much. Also, I gave a pretty detailed description of the airflow.


soccerballtux, I very much doubt your CPU runs at 20% in dal. As I said already my dual core runs 80-90% on both cores. If yours is doing 20%, its a problem with your setup, not with WoW

Ok ok it was 35%. This was back on my e2180 OC'd to 3.4Ghz, same gfx card as now. Was still getting 23fps, even if I turned down everything.

 

[thilanliyan]

Furmark puts a large THERMAL stress on the card but it won't necessarily stress the card to show instabilities (ie. I can be furmark stable at certain frequencies but I'm unstable in 3dMark Vantage).

 

[flexy]

you need such tools which push your hardware to the limits, be it furmark, occt, linpack..whatever. You need to have that "worst case scenario" if you test for OC speeds, temps etc. and want a 100% stable system. If i run FM and i know it stays below 90C i can say my card's cooling and OC works...despite the fact that in any real *game* i hardly see temps over 60C

 

[VirtualLarry]

My stock VisionTek (reference) 4850 runs Furmark and OCCT PSU test just fine. Gets pretty toasty, but I let it run for nearly a half hour, I think, and no problems. CPU is E2140 @ 3.2Ghz, PSU is Antec 500W Basiq.