I'm sure it's taken way way way out of context, but it's just funny the way they've manipulated it:
Flame on.
Notice the elipses in the middle of the sentence. It was crafted by Time to say just what they wanted it to.
"We know, for example, that prior to our going in that he had spent time and effort acquiring mobile biological weapons labs, and we're quite confident he did, in fact, have such a program. We've found a couple of semi trailers at this point which we believe were, in fact, part of that program. Now it's not clear at this stage whether or not he used any of that to produce or whether he was simply getting ready for the next war. That, in my mind, is a serious danger in the hands of a man like Saddam Hussein, and I would deem that conclusive evidence, if you will, that he did, in fact, have programs for weapons of mass destruction."
Okay so the full quote has been posted. Please tell me how it was taken out of context and how, beyond splitting hairs, the original quote differs from the "edited" and "out of context" one.
Time took out the "evidence" cited by Cheney that the trailers were part of a WMD program. Also, Cheney said that he couldn't be sure whether such evidence meant Saddam would use the WMD or if he was preparing for the "next war."
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Sure thing. Time in the original spliced up quote failed to give the context that Saddam once made procurements of mobile weapons lab and the trailers currently being investigated are suspected of being part of that program. This is of course a far cry from "we found trailers, and with no reason at all think that Saddam has a WMD program because of it."
edit: what I'm trying to get at is, please don't let your hatred of Bush obscure your common sense and ability to objectively look at a situation.
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Then you're quite obviously too stupid to understand it even if we explained it to you using simple sentences and monosyllabic words.
Of course it is out of context and paraphrased; the definition of a quotation is only a PART of a work, speech, book, movie, etc. Thus any quotation is, by definition, out of context as the ENTIRE context of Cheney's comment can't possibly be quoted.
edit-(In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. -Carl Sagan)
That said, in my opinion the liberty that TIME (or whoever it was) took with this quote was such that they didn't change the meaning (jist, spirit, call it what you like) of Cheney's original statement.
Having read the unmodified quotation, if I was trying to convey Cheney's point, I would say that we found some mobile labs that he believes are evidence of a prior attempt to create a program to acquire WMD. So I fail to see how TIME's quotation so grossly misstated Cheney's point.
Let me make this easy for you to understand. TIME's butchering of the quote makes Cheney look like a twit. The truth is, Cheney actually formed an intelligent thought and relayed that to his interviewer. The TIME quote doesn't convey that.
First of all, I don't need you to make it easy for me to understand, thank you. Secondly, how exactly does TIME make Cheney look like a "twit?"
Reading the TIME quote, I see Cheney making a statement pretty lucidly and compellingly. And furthermore the original quote doesn't convey any more sophistication or complexity on Cheney's part.
to you too
Reading the TIME quote, I see Cheney making a statement pretty lucidly and compellingly. And furthermore the original quote doesn't convey any more sophistication or complexity on Cheney's part.
I guess that's where your ideas and mine diverge. I don't think TIME's quote makes Cheney look intelligent, compelling or lucid in either his ideas or his actual speech. The actual quote gives me a better impression of the man leading our country.
Originally posted by: konichiwa
First of all, I don't need you to make it easy for me to understand, thank you. Secondly, how exactly does TIME make Cheney look like a "twit?"
Reading the TIME quote, I see Cheney making a statement pretty lucidly and compellingly. And furthermore the original quote doesn't convey any more sophistication or complexity on Cheney's part.
to you too
I was going to reply thoughtfully but then realized it wasn't worth the effort. This is not the most challenging logic puzzle ever put forth by man.
Originally posted by: PipBoy
Originally posted by: konichiwa
First of all, I don't need you to make it easy for me to understand, thank you. Secondly, how exactly does TIME make Cheney look like a "twit?"
Reading the TIME quote, I see Cheney making a statement pretty lucidly and compellingly. And furthermore the original quote doesn't convey any more sophistication or complexity on Cheney's part.
to you too
I was going to reply thoughtfully but then realized it wasn't worth the effort. This is not the most challenging logic puzzle ever put forth by man.
I thought you said you realized it wasn't worth the effort...
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: PipBoy
Originally posted by: konichiwa
First of all, I don't need you to make it easy for me to understand, thank you. Secondly, how exactly does TIME make Cheney look like a "twit?"
Reading the TIME quote, I see Cheney making a statement pretty lucidly and compellingly. And furthermore the original quote doesn't convey any more sophistication or complexity on Cheney's part.
to you too
I was going to reply thoughtfully but then realized it wasn't worth the effort. This is not the most challenging logic puzzle ever put forth by man.
I thought you said you realized it wasn't worth the effort...
again, reading comprehension fails you.
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