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Fundamentalism in the French Workplace

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This is the kind of crap you get when you just let all sorts of immigrants come into your country.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld...08,print.story?coll=la-headlines-world

THE WORLD
Fundamentalism in French Workplace
Private employers wrestle with expressions of Islam, while study alleges criminal links.
By Sebastian Rotella
Times Staff Writer

November 26, 2005

PARIS ? Employees set up clandestine prayer areas on the grounds of the Euro Disney resort.

Workers for a cargo firm at Charles de Gaulle airport praise the Sept. 11 attacks.

A Brinks technician is charged with pulling off a million-dollar heist for a Moroccan terrorist group allegedly led by his brother. Female converts to Islam operate a day-care center that authorities eventually shut down because of its religious radicalism.

As France grapples with the rise of Islamic extremism abroad and at home, the line between legitimate religious expression and extremist subversion can be blurry. But a recent study by a think tank here paints a picture of rising fundamentalism in the workplace, ranging from proselytizing to pressure tactics to criminal activities.

In companies such as supermarket chains in immigrant-heavy areas, for instance, militant recruiters cause workplace tensions by imposing fundamentalist ideas on co-workers and pressuring managers to boycott certain products, the study says.

On a more sinister level, the study asserts that Islamic networks are trying to establish a presence in firms involved in sectors such as security, cargo, armored cars, courier services and transportation. Once they gain a foothold, operatives raise funds for militants via theft, embezzlement and robbery, the study alleges.

"Parallel to these sect-like risks, the spread of criminal practices has been detected in the heart of companies [with] two goals: crime using Islam as a pretext; and in addition, local financing of terrorism," concludes the study by the Center for Intelligence Research in Paris.

The report was issued before the recent riots that spread arson and violence nationwide and focused attention on France's immigrant neighborhoods, which are predominantly Muslim. Although intelligence officials detected only a few cases of extremists inciting unrest, authorities worry that the tense urban climate strengthens the hand of hard-core Islamic networks.

French anti-terrorism officials agree with some of the findings of the study of the private sector, though they say parts of the report exaggerate or simplify a complex issue. In any case, the concern is justified in a wider context, officials say: Extremism is rising in France, home to Europe's largest Muslim community, and intertwining with a foreign threat.

Recent arrests reveal that France has been targeted by an alliance teaming Abu Musab Zarqawi, leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, with an Algerian-dominated network, said a senior French law enforcement official, who asked to remain anonymous for security reasons.

Zarqawi operatives in Lebanon taught bomb-making to accused militants from the network who were arrested here, including French converts, the official said.

That underscores a development on the home front: a "significant increase" in converts, including women, said a French intelligence official, who also asked not to be identified.

In the northwestern Paris suburb of Argenteuil, female converts helped set up an unlicensed day-care center for a dozen children at an apartment in a housing project. After intelligence officials determined that the center was run with an aggressively fundamentalist philosophy, authorities shut it down last year.

Conversions also result from militant recruiting in workplaces, according to the think tank report, which is based on a survey of corporate executives, private security officials and law enforcement experts. The author, Eric Denece, acknowledged that the issue was complex.

"The focus on the private sector is new because law enforcement does not work on it much ? they have other concerns," Denece said. "But also, company executives have not wanted to talk about this sensitive subject. Some were concerned about being called racists."

Denece's study cites a case examined in 2004 by Renseignements Generaux, the domestic intelligence agency, involving the discovery of "about 10 clandestine prayer rooms" on the grounds of Euro Disney.

Denece also alleges that fundamentalists were detected in the resort's security force, but a spokesman for Euro Disney said that claim was inaccurate. As for the prayer areas, spokesman Pieter Boterman said the company resolved that issue.

"I thought it was exaggerated to talk about prayer rooms," Boterman said. "During Ramadan, they took a few minutes to pray somewhere. We made it clear that we thought the work floor was not the place to express your personal religion."

There are a few clear-cut examples of alleged infiltration of companies. Last year, police investigated a heist at the Brinks Co. that was allegedly engineered by an operative of a Moroccan terrorist network that has been implicated in the 2004 Madrid train bombings.

Hassan Baouchi, who was 23 at the time, worked as a technician stocking ATMs; his brother, Mustafa, was a veteran of two stints in Al Qaeda's Afghan camps and an alleged leader of the network.

In March 2004, Hassan Baouchi claimed that stick-up men had waylaid him during his rounds north of the capital and stolen about $1.2 million. But he now awaits trial on charges of faking the robbery in cahoots with a gang of known jihadis. About $40,000 later turned up on a fugitive captured in Algeria.

"That's a real concrete example of terrorist financing," said the senior law enforcement official. He also said extremists have been detected trying to establish a presence in sensitive sectors related to defense and transportation.

The report describes a case in which police investigated a cargo company at Charles de Gaulle International Airport with about 3,000 employees. Managers complained that a small group of radicals had tried to gain influence by preaching to co-workers and threatening repeated strikes. Some of the activists "expressed satisfaction" with the Sept. 11 attacks, the report says.

The French intelligence official confirmed that authorities closely monitor the notable presence of Muslim fundamentalists among the many immigrant employees at the airport.

In 2002, a 27-year-old systems engineer working in the airport's control tower was abruptly barred from secure areas. Police had discovered that he was a devout disciple of a radical imam and frequented militant mosques here, in his native Morocco and in the Middle East. The Iraqi-born imam is now under house arrest, accused of hate speech.

"There are worries about the presence of extremists at the airport," the intelligence official said. "There was no link found to violent jihad groups, but [the engineer] was certainly very active in a fundamentalist movement with anti-Western, anti-American ideas. Because of the particularly sensitive job he had, a decision was made, in the name of caution, to reassign him."

Nonetheless, the intelligence official took issue with parts of the think tank report. Hard-core networks often finance themselves through small businesses and the underworld, he said.

"The most radical extremists tend to exclude themselves from corporate employment because of their dress, their behavior," the intelligence official said. "They have to resort to small business, the ethnic economy. A lot of financing comes from traffic in fake papers and armed robbery."

In fact, Denece also discusses the emergence of "gangsterrorism," in which extremists team with mafias for mutual gain. But the private sector faces a more subtle and slippery challenge from nonviolent militants, the report says.

Executives say pressure groups in supermarkets and other companies advance oppressive ideological agendas: They pressure co-workers to wear religious garb, defy the authority of female managers and demand boycotts of products such as alcohol, pork, Israeli oranges and American brownies, Denece said.

"For French companies, the rise in power of radical Islam represents a new threat," the report states. "This trend expresses above all a move to take control of behavior and ideas of other workers in order to impose a value system conforming to extremist ideology."

Nonetheless, demographics and perception make the debate difficult. As the report points out, Muslim employees in France are starting to organize themselves along religious and ethnic lines rather than following the lead of traditional leftist unions. Management may sometimes allege extremism when workers are finding new ways to organize and defend their interests.

"It's more and more frequent for us to hear about attempts at infiltration, but it's not rampant," the intelligence official said. "It's full of dilemmas. Sometimes you will have fundamentalist employees, but they do not cause trouble. And sometimes you will have a mix of labor politics and religion that is more about establishing power than anything else."
 
I'm sure this is somehow our fault. These are just the early stages of Francistan. Even surrendering won't help this time. About their only hope is the islamo-fascists keep getting greedy and don't wait to breed themselves into power and instead try to wrest it by force, which they may likely do as this article shows.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
I'm sure this is somehow our fault. These are just the early stages of Francistan. Even surrendering won't help this time. About their only hope is the islamo-fascists keep getting greedy and don't wait to breed themselves into power and instead try to wrest it by force, which they may likely do as this article shows.

:cookie: for troll.

France doesn't have the same freedom of religious expression as America does. That's the only basis of this violence.
 
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Originally posted by: alchemize
I'm sure this is somehow our fault. These are just the early stages of Francistan. Even surrendering won't help this time. About their only hope is the islamo-fascists keep getting greedy and don't wait to breed themselves into power and instead try to wrest it by force, which they may likely do as this article shows.

:cookie: for troll.

France doesn't have the same freedom of religious expression as America does. That's the only basis of this violence.


Not trying to start a conflict .. but I have some questions

Does that make it even the slightest bit right or acceptable?

I wonder how many of those people snuck into France illegally

BTW, I don't think he was even referring to the riots ... he knows like the rest of us.. that the extremists in Islam society will either convert you or kill you.
 
A lot of that should be absolutely condoned~ things such as forcing co workers to wear religious garb is just as bad as the French banning the use of Hijabs. If you ask for religious tolerance, then be expected to tolerate others as well! To ignore your manager based on sex is disgusting, and I don't see how these guys still have their jobs.

As for boycotting, they have the right to demand a boycott all they want. Hell, they can even organize themselves and get a few of them to boycott that. I see nothing wrong with that. Either management will just ignore them and they will keep working, or they will refuse to work and management will fire them. A failed boycott usually resulsts in that...

As for things like worrying about "make shift prayer rooms" I don't see what the problem is. Most likely it is just a random room no one uses with a few prayer rugs. When praying they are not expressing their opinions to others, and they pray with others in a room without making huge announcements. I doubt they are grabbing people and tossing them in forcing them to pray. If the resort REALLY has that kind of problem, then they should be willing to allow them to leave the premises to another location to do their prayers. Heck I once went to California Adventure (Disney's Disneyland Lite in CA 😉 ) with a family where the father had a PhD in Islamic Studies and we were all sitting down on a bench as the sun was sitting and he mentioned "looks like we can't make the evening prayer". We all paused and noticed and the grassy patch in front of us...and proceeded to pray then and there. Other than having people stare at us for about three to five minutes, I doubt anyone got mad or angry or felt insulted by any means...and this was in public 😛

Either way mafia like activities seem to be something that always appear in poor immigrant communities...to say we did not have the same thing in our history is not the truth. And we didn't turn into any "Mafia-istan" at all...this isn't something like the "early stages of Francistan" or anything ridiculous such as that.
 
French need to be more tolerate, just like they are in denmark where 4% muslim minority makes 65% of rapes (muslims are still there)..

:|

or was it in holland?...
 
:cookie: for Gobadgrs, another :cookie: for alchemize and Sixtyfour you need :cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie: to STFU and stop being a racist.
Would you want to apply your sick ideology here in the States too, ya lets send the African-Americans back to Africa because the majority of ppl in prison are African-American ?? Stupid stupid thinking.
 
Originally posted by: The Linuxator
:cookie: for Gobadgrs, another :cookie: for alchemize and Sixtyfour you need :cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie: to STFU and stop being a racist.
Would you want to apply your sick ideology here in the States too, ya lets send the African-Americans back to Africa because the majority of ppl in prison are African-American ?? Stupid stupid thinking.

Me racist ?

I just told some facts, how that makes me a racist ?
 
Originally posted by: Sixtyfour
Originally posted by: The Linuxator
:cookie: for Gobadgrs, another :cookie: for alchemize and Sixtyfour you need :cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie: to STFU and stop being a racist.
Would you want to apply your sick ideology here in the States too, ya lets send the African-Americans back to Africa because the majority of ppl in prison are African-American ?? Stupid stupid thinking.

Me racist ?

I just told some facts, how that makes me a racist ?
how you present the facts and how you interpret them defines if it is racist or not
 
Originally posted by: Czar

how you present the facts and how you interpret them defines if it is racist or not
Fact #1 4% muslim population makes 65% of rapes in holland.
Fact #2 Muslims are still there = they are tolerated.

Does that make me a racist ?

ps. calling me a racist is same as telling that muslims rape because it's in their genes..

pps. last time i checked muslims are not a race, it's a religion (islam).
 
Originally posted by: Sixtyfour
French need to be more tolerate, just like they are in denmark where 4% muslim minority makes 65% of rapes (muslims are still there)..

For starters, I'd like to see actual statistics of that, and two, there are probably considerable underlying problems if those statistics are true. We have similar disparities in the US. (Look at our prison populations for an example) There are usually much deeper issues than "Well, because X makes up more, they must be evil!"

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
no islam is the religion muslim is the race

Islam is the religion, Muslims are the believers in Islam. (It's not a race; and there is really only one ethno-religion)
 
Originally posted by: The Linuxator
:cookie: for Gobadgrs, another :cookie: for alchemize and Sixtyfour you need :cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie: to STFU and stop being a racist.
Would you want to apply your sick ideology here in the States too, ya lets send the African-Americans back to Africa because the majority of ppl in prison are African-American ?? Stupid stupid thinking.

See? A muslim or muslims can never do anything wrong in your eyes. But yet you seem to blame the Jews for all the world's problems. So again, you are a Islamist. Don't hide it.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: The Linuxator
:cookie: for Gobadgrs, another :cookie: for alchemize and Sixtyfour you need :cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie: to STFU and stop being a racist.
Would you want to apply your sick ideology here in the States too, ya lets send the African-Americans back to Africa because the majority of ppl in prison are African-American ?? Stupid stupid thinking.

See? A muslim or muslims can never do anything wrong in your eyes. But yet you seem to blame the Jews for all the world's problems. So again, you are a Islamist. Don't hide it.

Where in the world did he mention Jews?
You are starting to reallly grasp for straws here by implying he is anti-semitic and an "Islamist" at the same time by using Islamist in a negative connotation

In fact, the dictionary definition of an Islamist is "one who beleives in Islam". I guess I am an Islamist too 😛 And you are probably a Christianity-ist 😉
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: The Linuxator
:cookie: for Gobadgrs, another :cookie: for alchemize and Sixtyfour you need :cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie: to STFU and stop being a racist.
Would you want to apply your sick ideology here in the States too, ya lets send the African-Americans back to Africa because the majority of ppl in prison are African-American ?? Stupid stupid thinking.

See? A muslim or muslims can never do anything wrong in your eyes. But yet you seem to blame the Jews for all the world's problems. So again, you are a Islamist. Don't hide it.

He does seem to want to discriminate against Jews pretty often. I guess he hates Jews or something.
 
Originally posted by: Sixtyfour
Originally posted by: The Linuxator
:cookie: for Gobadgrs, another :cookie: for alchemize and Sixtyfour you need :cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie: to STFU and stop being a racist.
Would you want to apply your sick ideology here in the States too, ya lets send the African-Americans back to Africa because the majority of ppl in prison are African-American ?? Stupid stupid thinking.

Me racist ?

I just told some facts, how that makes me a racist ?

Well you're probably not seeing yourself as a racist from a European view. However, from a North American view, you would be labelled a racist. Racism is simply so much more accepted in Europe that much of it is not seen as racist, but normal.
 
Originally posted by: The Linuxator
:cookie: for Gobadgrs, another :cookie: for alchemize and Sixtyfour you need :cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie: to STFU and stop being a racist.
Would you want to apply your sick ideology here in the States too, ya lets send the African-Americans back to Africa because the majority of ppl in prison are African-American ?? Stupid stupid thinking.

Just curious, The Linuxator, what is your religion/ethnicity? You seem to get awful excited whenever a Jew or Muslim is mentioned...

I'm guessing Pakistan/Islam?
 
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Originally posted by: alchemize
I'm sure this is somehow our fault. These are just the early stages of Francistan. Even surrendering won't help this time. About their only hope is the islamo-fascists keep getting greedy and don't wait to breed themselves into power and instead try to wrest it by force, which they may likely do as this article shows.

:cookie: for troll.

France doesn't have the same freedom of religious expression as America does. That's the only basis of this violence.

Are you insulted by France surrendering jokes? You do realize there is some historical context for this?
 
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Well you're probably not seeing yourself as a racist from a European view. However, from a North American view, you would be labelled a racist. Racism is simply so much more accepted in Europe that much of it is not seen as racist, but normal.

Racism is racism, there is no difference between racism in europe when compared to US.
Racism is racial discrimination.

BTW. We are accused of racism if we dont hire a immigrant that can't speak required languages properly... 😀
Finland is (according to a recent study) most racist country in EU, but they forgot that we just recently recieved people from iraq, and they don't speak finnish or english, so they are pretty much useless employees..
But they say we are racists because they are unemployed.. 😀

Military history of France :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Originally posted by: alchemize
I'm sure this is somehow our fault. These are just the early stages of Francistan. Even surrendering won't help this time. About their only hope is the islamo-fascists keep getting greedy and don't wait to breed themselves into power and instead try to wrest it by force, which they may likely do as this article shows.

:cookie: for troll.

France doesn't have the same freedom of religious expression as America does. That's the only basis of this violence.

Are you insulted by France surrendering jokes? You do realize there is some historical context for this?

It's not so much I'm insulted by the historical facts, as I'm insulted by how ignorant America is toward ANY country. I mean, go ahead and laugh at the fact that hundreds of thousands of French were killed throughout history fighting for, most of the time, freedom, but God forbid we say anything about 9/11 in anything but a sorrowful, patriotic manner.
 
Biting the hand that feeds you FTL. :thumbsdown:

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well you're probably not seeing yourself as a racist from a European view. However, from a North American view, you would be labelled a racist. Racism is simply so much more accepted in Europe that much of it is not seen as racist, but normal.

I fail to see the racism in his statement, but then again I'm a white devil. He used dark humor to point out a statistic.
The "North American View" is from political correctness gone haywire. It's wrong to point out any racial difference or statistic about minorities in America.
 
LOL. One thing I think is funny, is when people who clearly reside in this country, profess to represent the Nation Of Islam. Uh, last time I check, the nation here is America. Are we going to grant them sovereign status here. 😉
 
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