Fun Puzzel

[alkemyst]

Except that the instructions say explicitly "Imagine each of the shapes being folded up into a cube." which precludes the use of writing or printing them out and folding them. Taking the test repeatedly, should also obviously be considered "cheating".

I am positive many above did indeed cheat then.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I am positive many above did indeed cheat then.

gorobei and zane cheated a bit; what with not folding it into a mental-cube; but using a different problem solving strategy.

Which is the problem with IQ tests; Sure i can remember, reverse, and order 20+ numbers; but I'm putting them in a matrix to begin with so that I don't have to do the linear manipulations that the test is actually trying to test.

This is why IQ is bunk; so don't feel bad: most people probably don't even lift.

 

[Thebobo]

I got a 1

 

[DigDog]

zero because i didnt try.

i fail at test, i win at life.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

8/9, and I also particularly had trouble with number six.

 

[alkemyst]

gorobei and zane cheated a bit; what with not folding it into a mental-cube; but using a different problem solving strategy.

Which is the problem with IQ tests; Sure i can remember, reverse, and order 20+ numbers; but I'm putting them in a matrix to begin with so that I don't have to do the linear manipulations that the test is actually trying to test.

This is why IQ is bunk; so don't feel bad: most people probably don't even lift.

Which is why real IQ tests have someone monitoring the taker.

 

[ZaneNBK]

gorobei and zane cheated a bit; what with not folding it into a mental-cube; but using a different problem solving strategy.

Which is the problem with IQ tests; Sure i can remember, reverse, and order 20+ numbers; but I'm putting them in a matrix to begin with so that I don't have to do the linear manipulations that the test is actually trying to test.

This is why IQ is bunk; so don't feel bad: most people probably don't even lift.

I did both but I found re-arranging the squares mentally to be faster. The hardest one (for me) I used the mental cube strategy. But yeah, I had the same thought that it was not exactly the method request and probably isn't "spatial" at that point. It's still manipulating objects but on a 2D plane rather than a 3D representation.

Lots of different factors go into whether or not an IQ test is effective. Like many things, the tools aren't perfect but they're the best we've been able to come up with so far to define and measure general intelligence.

Test didn't notice I don't even lift bro. Two thumbs down.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Which is why real IQ tests have someone monitoring the taker.

Ever take an IQ test?

I'm talking about the part where they spit a bunch of numbers at you and ask you to arrange them in your mind: in order, in reverse order, etc.

You can't observe mental strategies.

 

[gorobei]

you guys are overcomplicating this.

the base strategy is to identify the orientations that are the same on 3 and then find the odd one. the easiest way to do this is to mentally unfold the cube into a cross shape with the most unique symbols with a single possible orientation along the long axis/band/strip.

the test presents the cube unfolds in a number of tetris-like shapes with the relevant symbol strip/band running at different orientations(0,90,180,270) and occasionally broken up. the test is to understand that trying to mentally fold 4 different cubes, retain the individual side symbols, and compare them globally is beyond short term memory limits.
the solution is to re-order each solution in to a common form/correct form(cross shape) and compare the known ideal form to each offered side symbol answer.

most of these tests operate on an easy and a hard way to solve. the easy way usually requires you to not accept what they give you in the form that they present it, but rather the way that you want the information .

im way too lazy to bother getting a pencil and paper and i got all 9 in one try. probably helps that im a 3dcg modeler and mentally unfolding geometry is actually part of the job.

 

[alkemyst]

Ever take an IQ test?

I'm talking about the part where they spit a bunch of numbers at you and ask you to arrange them in your mind: in order, in reverse order, etc.

You can't observe mental strategies.

Yes, I have. My comment is I am doubting many above that score 9/9 did not cheat or took a terribly long time to complete.

Mental strategies are all fine to use.

 

[dighn]

Yes, I have. My comment is I am doubting many above that score 9/9 did not cheat or took a terribly long time to complete.

Mental strategies are all fine to use.

didn't cheat or use obvious shortcut strategies, but did spend like ~2 minutes per question on average (some more, some less, multiple rounds of verification). the test did say no time limit, which imo makes it not really that hard. you can prove to yourself quite conclusively that 1 of the cube differs from the other 3 in a specific way, and the other 3 are the same.

 

[Schmide]

Got #6 wrong (8/9)

Edit:

I did it pretty quick so I can only kick myself. No paper.

My strategy was to pick the most unique symbol then walk the shapes around the outside till a similar cross pattern was formed.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

5. But I was watching porn.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

you guys are overcomplicating this.

the base strategy is to identify the orientations that are the same on 3 and then find the odd one. the easiest way to do this is to mentally unfold the cube into a cross shape with the most unique symbols with a single possible orientation along the long axis/band/strip.

the test presents the cube unfolds in a number of tetris-like shapes with the relevant symbol strip/band running at different orientations(0,90,180,270) and occasionally broken up. the test is to understand that trying to mentally fold 4 different cubes, retain the individual side symbols, and compare them globally is beyond short term memory limits.
the solution is to re-order each solution in to a common form/correct form(cross shape) and compare the known ideal form to each offered side symbol answer.

most of these tests operate on an easy and a hard way to solve. the easy way usually requires you to not accept what they give you in the form that they present it, but rather the way that you want the information .

im way too lazy to bother getting a pencil and paper and i got all 9 in one try. probably helps that im a 3dcg modeler and mentally unfolding geometry is actually part of the job.

You solved it, which is nice; but the point is for you to go about doing it as instructed, so that the kind of intelligence you are looking for, not the kind of intelligence you used, is measured.


That's the problem with IQ tests: they are 'solvable' as I mentioned.

This is why compliant classes, the poor, tend to do much worse. Not because they are all inherently stupid, but because they actually do the test the way requested.

5. But I was watching porn.

Dave, there's a strong causal relation between porn addiction and ADHD like behaviors:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

You may actually be reflecting a loss of functional intelligence caused by porn!

 

[DrPizza]

Love it! I'm going to print this & use it when I need students to do something to keep them busy thinking.

 

[DrPizza]

Oh duh! 8/9, and I went nuts going back over the more difficult ones. I made the same type of mistake I made on the math part of the SAT many years ago: it was an easier question that I missed (number 2) - I almost instantly found two that didn't match. (heart on top pointing towards me, plus in the back, so B and D are clearly unlike), so I compared A to B, and since it didn't match, duh, I selected A as my answer, rather than B. Duh! That one was probably the easiest one, and thus, when I spent forever trying to figure out which one I missed, I skipped right over it.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Love it! I'm going to print this & use it when I need students to do something to keep them busy thinking.

I don't think it's actually hard, and I doubt any intelligent person would be occupied for more than 10-20 minutes, especially when it's given to them on a piece of paper that they can draw all over.

 

[Malak]

Yes, I have. My comment is I am doubting many above that score 9/9 did not cheat or took a terribly long time to complete.

Mental strategies are all fine to use.

Albert Einstein was a very slow thinker.

 

[gorobei]

You solved it, which is nice; but the point is for you to go about doing it as instructed, so that the kind of intelligence you are looking for, not the kind of intelligence you used, is measured.

That's the problem with IQ tests: they are 'solvable' as I mentioned.

This is why compliant classes, the poor, tend to do much worse. Not because they are all inherently stupid, but because they actually do the test the way requested.

um, no. you are being way too literal with that one part of the "imagine a cube" instruction.

the cube instruction only functions to provide the information that the sides are attached at 90 deg angles and therefore any shared edge can be assumed to be constraining the orientation of the symbol. understanding that any square can be shifted along the unfolded layout as long as there is an associated rotation is the "spatial reasoning" they are testing for.

i listed two strategies, there are any number of ways to solve the problems but all will use the shared edge/rotation rule. no test like this is going to specify how you are supposed to organize your thought process.

i've seen plenty of similar tests that use globe projections to test understanding of spherical geometry. if they really wanted to test ability to visualize and predict spacial thinking, they would ask you to split a mobius loop longitudinally and predict the relationship of the result.

is the test poorly worded? yes.

but what they are testing is understanding of the the constraints of 3d spacial geometry, not mental methodology. since the test isnt timed, they arent even testing how efficient you are at it.

 

[Agent11]

People that aren't doing it completely in their head are doing it wrong. It isn't hard to fold it in your head once you get some practice, by the 3rd one I was pretty slick at it and it becomes easier to compensate for the various shapes. Just pick a point of reference.

 

[alkemyst]

Not all questions on an IQ test are solvable by everyone. Sure they all have a solution, but you will not have google by your side.

Also some questions, paper and pencil are allowed and others not.

 

[BUTCH1]

5/9 I kinda rushed through it TBO.