Full House vote on impeachment inquiry rules to be held Thursday

[Jaskalas]

It isn't a dig it is an observation.

They ( Democrats ) have claimed to have all they need to impeach Trump for two years.
They ( Democrats ) have done nothing until now to address their conviction that Trump should be impeached.

Huh?

Aug 2017: Rep. Adam Schiff: Don’t look for Trump impeachment soon
May 2018: Schiff’s Curious Warning about a Politicized Impeachment

 

[zzyzxroad]

I never claimed that the corruption timeline was anything. The time it took place was a fact that I'm not disputing. Regardless of what Trump says it is.

I see little if any difference between what Biden did and what Trump is accused of.

Do you think Trump's quid pro quo with a foreign government for personal political gain is grounds for impeachment?

 

[pcgeek11]

Can you quote Schiff on this from 2 years back?

No I cannot. He has claimed damning evidence since the Mueller Investigation started...

We both know they have been screaming for his head for over two years. I think the first official request for impeachment was in 2017 by Representative Al Green and Sherman. and has contimued since then.

 

[ivwshane]

To him, the federal government is merely a tool for the president to do whatever he wants. The president can use his resources to persuade allies (current or potential) to do things in the interest of the world, the United States, or even for the benefit of himself and only himself.

If we bring this closer to home; he believes that a mod can do whatever they want with the powers that have been given to them. If a mod wants to ban trolls and spammers, that’s their prerogative, if mods want to ban users whose political views don’t align with theirs, well that’s ok to. A mod’s power is absolute and the duty of the mod isn’t what the site owners (the constitution) say it is but rather what ever the mod wants it to be. And pcgeek sees nothing wrong with that.

It’s not abuse of power it’s his power to abuse.

What did I get wrong pcgeek?

 

[woolfe9998]

LOL Devin Nunes evidently said this on the House floor.

What we’re seeing among Democrats on the Intelligence Committee,” he said, “is like a cult. These are a group of people loyally following their leader as he bounces from one outlandish conspiracy to another.

No, I didn't make that up. He actually said it!

The projection among conservatives these days is astounding.

 

[pcgeek11]

Huh?

Aug 2017: Rep. Adam Schiff: Don’t look for Trump impeachment soon
May 2018: Schiff’s Curious Warning about a Politicized Impeachment

From the 2018 link:

This is a nice and needed sentiment, but it ignores the fact that for a considerable number of Democrats, removing Trump was precisely the result they wanted all along. Liberal activist groups set up an online petition calling for Trump’s impeachment on Inauguration Day, declaring, “From the moment he assumed the office, President Donald Trump has been in direct violation of the US Constitution.” In mid-March, localities such as Berkeley passed resolutions calling for Trump’s impeachment. Representative Maxine Waters (D., Calif.) tweeted simply, “get ready for impeachment” on March 21, 2017!

On February 10, 2017, about three weeks into Trump’s presidency, the Democratic polling firm Public Policy Polling offered a survey finding that 46 percent of all respondents supported the impeachment of President Trump, and 80 percent of all self-identified Democrats did.

When we hear liberals debating whether they should leave Trump in place because Mike Pence would be more consistently conservative and less likely to create problems for his own administration, it is obvious this isn’t really about high crimes and misdemeanors; it’s about which commander-in-chief would offend liberals the least.

In his op-ed, Schiff refers to Trump citing “the false claim that Democrats are more interested in impeachment than governing to rally his base.” Democrats seem pretty darn interested in impeachment.

 

[pcgeek11]

What did I get wrong pcgeek?

Oh nothing. I just found your assumptions funny.

 

[zinfamous]

What's relevant is that you remain happily and purposefully ignorant of the actual reality-based timeline of the corruption issue that this is all about (from Trump's perspective).

The "corruption" that was actual corruption was dealt with before Trump was president. He has literally claimed, in public, that all of this happened like, this year. It is 3 years prior. Why is this not important to you?

Why do you accept a blatant lie about time and space, in order to defend "I don't think it is enough for impeachment?"

Why is this your position?

I never claimed that the corruption timeline was anything. The time it took place was a fact that I'm not disputing. Regardless of what Trump says it is.

I see little if any difference between what Biden did and what Trump is accused of.

wait...wat?

 

[ivwshane]

Oh nothing. I just found your assumptions funny.

So my assumptions were spot on then.

 

[zinfamous]

Biden, as an official representative of the US government, with bi-partisan support, enacted official US policy in order to support the interests of the US.

In contrast, Trump used his position in the US government, without the prior knowledge of the rest of the US government, to use US government assets to get a another country to open a fake investigation into a US citizen for the sole purpose of satisfying personal vendetta.

Think about that. Biden was doing what he had been told to do and was supported by all the branches of the government in his official role. Trump secretly used that same power to try and manufacture dirt on a US citizen for personal reasons. If you still maintain that those are the same thing then you are being blatantly dishonest. I swear that Trump could arbitrarily shut down every rival hotel chain near his properties and some people would still claim it's not an abuse of his office for personal gain and there is no reason to do anything about it.

As an aside, you can stop referring to all this as something that Trump is merely "accused of". It's on record as having happened. This isn't an unproven rumor anymore.

Bolded: Trump actually didn't ask for an investigation: He only wanted a public claim, in like two lines, that they were investigating. Trump, via Guiliani and his little goons, directly asked the president of Ukraine to go in front of a microphone and tell the world that they were investigating Biden, when they actually weren't. He only wanted a promise that they would say a thing in puiblic. He never cared if they would investigate. ...They actually demanded that Zelensky lie to the world about opening an investigation, in order to receive their 300 million in military aid, that COngress approved and Trump had no legal authority to withhold...it's factually 3 crimes in one request.

It's fucking insane. And republicans defend this shit and they have no idea why. They don't know what is happening, they simply believe the pack of lies that are fed to them. Just look at PC Geek: his mouth opens and predictable lies come out. At some point, I accept that he doesn't understand that his beliefs are predicated on such lies. I mean, yes it's his fault, but he simply doesn't know how poorly informed he is. Yes, he doesn't care. Yes, he believes he is correct no matter what he says, because he is human and his brain demands that he is correct (it's a human condition), but when faced with the overwhelming force of indisputable common truth...well, it's just the same. "I'm right, truth doesn't matter. I make truth because I only trust the 'truth' that is fed to me, because it makes me happy." I mean...people want to be happy. It's natural.

I guess adults in the world just have a problem accepting how other humans can be happy living in an obvious lie, just not giving a damn that they are literally destroying the thing they claim to unquestioningly love (their county)

this is the fate of the GOP right now, and their supporters, and it isn't any other way. ...yes: it's complicated

 

[Paratus]

From the 2018 link:

This is a nice and needed sentiment, but it ignores the fact that for a considerable number of Democrats, removing Trump was precisely the result they wanted all along. Liberal activist groups set up an online petition calling for Trump’s impeachment on Inauguration Day, declaring, “From the moment he assumed the office, President Donald Trump has been in direct violation of the US Constitution.” In mid-March, localities such as Berkeley passed resolutions calling for Trump’s impeachment. Representative Maxine Waters (D., Calif.) tweeted simply, “get ready for impeachment” on March 21, 2017!

On February 10, 2017, about three weeks into Trump’s presidency, the Democratic polling firm Public Policy Polling offered a survey finding that 46 percent of all respondents supported the impeachment of President Trump, and 80 percent of all self-identified Democrats did.

When we hear liberals debating whether they should leave Trump in place because Mike Pence would be more consistently conservative and less likely to create problems for his own administration, it is obvious this isn’t really about high crimes and misdemeanors; it’s about which commander-in-chief would offend liberals the least.

In his op-ed, Schiff refers to Trump citing “the false claim that Democrats are more interested in impeachment than governing to rally his base.” Democrats seem pretty darn interested in impeachment.

At a bare minimum before the election he publicly asked for foreign intervention in the election which is a felony.

He’s been violating the emoluments clause since day 1.

Finally he fired the head of the FBI to prevent the FBI from investigating his campaign within 3 months of taking office.

Quite frankly I blame the GOP and republican voters for failing to hold their candidates to any kind of standards. You guys should have been in the streets railing on the GOP leadership to provide an intra-party challenger for 2020 if you weren’t going to support impeachment. He’s made a complete disgrace of the GOP and supposed ideals they stood for.

 

[zinfamous]

From the 2018 link:

This is a nice and needed sentiment, but it ignores the fact that for a considerable number of Democrats, removing Trump was precisely the result they wanted all along. Liberal activist groups set up an online petition calling for Trump’s impeachment on Inauguration Day, declaring, “From the moment he assumed the office, President Donald Trump has been in direct violation of the US Constitution.” In mid-March, localities such as Berkeley passed resolutions calling for Trump’s impeachment. Representative Maxine Waters (D., Calif.) tweeted simply, “get ready for impeachment” on March 21, 2017!

On February 10, 2017, about three weeks into Trump’s presidency, the Democratic polling firm Public Policy Polling offered a survey finding that 46 percent of all respondents supported the impeachment of President Trump, and 80 percent of all self-identified Democrats did.

When we hear liberals debating whether they should leave Trump in place because Mike Pence would be more consistently conservative and less likely to create problems for his own administration, it is obvious this isn’t really about high crimes and misdemeanors; it’s about which commander-in-chief would offend liberals the least.

In his op-ed, Schiff refers to Trump citing “the false claim that Democrats are more interested in impeachment than governing to rally his base.” Democrats seem pretty darn interested in impeachment.

lol. #MoscowMitch declared among his constituents that his only goal was to impeach or end Obama, the day that he was elected. Not a single crime, not one fucking shred of anything, over eight years, related to anyone...ever in Obama's circle. Yet retards that support these assholes still believe Obama is some criminal sceeze. Not a lick of truth to it. Trump has what...2 dozen indicted criminals in his sphere, already? Oh yeah...one of them is actually TRUMP--only "un-indicted" right now, only because he is president, but currently and officially recognized as a criminal in a federal court of law. It's the ONLY reason he isn't in jail right now. It's a fucking FACT. And you can't deny it.

Just stop. ...just fucking stop. Your president is shameless criminal, and you shamelessly defend every fucking shameless act to destroy this country to the core. These are the base facts. It isn't any other way. History is going to paint you this way. It isn't any other way. It is the plain truth. Your grandchildren (heaven help them) will live in shame for your existence, and those around you that allowed this criminal nonsense, and the end of this country.

 

[pcgeek11]

So my assumptions were spot on then.

Sure why not...

 

[pcgeek11]

lol. #MoscowMitch declared among his constituents that his only goal was to impeach or end Obama, the day that he was elected. Not a single crime, not one fucking shred of anything, over eight years, related to anyone...ever in Obama's circle. Yet retards that support these assholes still believe Obama is some criminal sceeze. Not a lick of truth to it. Trump has what...2 dozen indicted criminals in his sphere, already? Oh yeah...one of them is actually TRUMP--only "un-indicted" right now, only because he is president, but currently and officially recognized as a criminal in a federal court of law. It's the ONLY reason he isn't in jail right now. It's a fucking FACT. And you can't deny it.

Just stop. ...just fucking stop. Your president is shameless criminal, and you shamelessly defend every fucking shameless act to destroy this country to the core. These are the base facts. It isn't any other way. History is going to paint you this way. It isn't any other way. It is the plain truth. Your grandchildren (heaven help them) will live in shame for your existence, and those around you that allowed this criminal nonsense, and the end of this country.

"Just stop. ...just fucking stop."

Fine I will.

 

[interchange]

@pcgeek11 what's wrong with wanting Trump removed from day 1? Do you not think that there has been cause to consider his removal from that point given the clear relationship with Russia, gutting of the State department with refusal to implement sanctions passed by Congress with nearly universal bipartisan support, clear failure to divest his business interests from the presidency, campaign finance violations with Stormy Daniels, a wide history of fraudulent business practice, etc.? There is very specific cause here, and numerous causes at that from very early on.

So tell us what's wrong with seeking immediate investigations and oversight of Trump including removal should the evidence support it?

While you are suggesting political bias is motivating the attempts at oversight, what seems obvious to any observer is that political bias is what has prevented effective oversight.

 

[TheVrolok]

lol, guys, pcgeek will NEVER admit he's wrong. Won't happen. Not going to do it. He will NEVER admit to intellectual dishonesty (as evidenced by the overwhelming facts put before him that he refuses to acknowledge). There is no other way one can continue to say, "Trump and Biden did the same thing!"

They didn't. It's really that simple.

 

[brycejones]

lol, guys, pcgeek will NEVER admit he's wrong. Won't happen. Not going to do it. He will NEVER admit to intellectual dishonesty (as evidenced by the overwhelming facts put before him that he refuses to acknowledge). There is no other way one can continue to say, "Trump and Biden did the same thing!"

They didn't. It's really that simple.

It’s funny watching him completely ignore the responses to his comment that Trump and Biden did the same thing.

 

[zinfamous]

"Just stop. ...just fucking stop."

Fine I will.

 

[shortylickens]

There is no satisfying the Repubs because they don't want to be satisfied. It would mean the end to their strategy of obstructing, denying and delaying the proceedings.

They want to be dragged kicking, screaming, whining, bitching and complaining throughout the proceedings and beyond so as to create as much confusion and chaos as possible for the Dems.

In the process, Fox News will make them out to be the struggling underdog and their brainwashed voting base will eat it up like chocolate ice cream.

 

[brycejones]

In the process, Fox News will make them out to be the struggling underdog and their brainwashed voting base will eat it up like chocolate ice cream.

That's not chocolate!

 

[fskimospy]

No I cannot. He has claimed damning evidence since the Mueller Investigation started...

We both know they have been screaming for his head for over two years. I think the first official request for impeachment was in 2017 by Representative Al Green and Sherman. and has contimued since then.

Okay so you are admitting your previous statement was incorrect?

 

[fskimospy]

lol, guys, pcgeek will NEVER admit he's wrong. Won't happen. Not going to do it. He will NEVER admit to intellectual dishonesty (as evidenced by the overwhelming facts put before him that he refuses to acknowledge). There is no other way one can continue to say, "Trump and Biden did the same thing!"

They didn't. It's really that simple.

But really when you think about it isn’t Biden pressuring Ukraine to remove a prosecutor for not investigating corruption at the urging of the international community and congressional Republicans the same thing as Trump secretly sending his sleazy personal lawyer to ask them to investigate debunked conspiracy theories about Trump’s personal enemies?

That’s why Biden had the records of his conversations hidden on a beyond top secret server and had staff told to never mentioned them again. Wait, that was Biden, right?

 

[brycejones]

But really when you think about it isn’t Biden pressuring Ukraine to remove a prosecutor for not investigating corruption at the urging of the international community and congressional Republicans the same thing as Trump secretly sending his sleazy personal lawyer to ask them to investigate debunked conspiracy theories about Trump’s personal enemies?

That’s why Biden had the records of his conversations hidden on a beyond top secret server and had staff told to never mentioned them again. Wait, that was Biden, right?

I thought it was Hillary on the CrowdStrike server in the Cosmic Pizza basement with Jeffery Epstein and Putin?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

lol, guys, pcgeek will NEVER admit he's wrong. Won't happen. Not going to do it. He will NEVER admit to intellectual dishonesty (as evidenced by the overwhelming facts put before him that he refuses to acknowledge). There is no other way one can continue to say, "Trump and Biden did the same thing!"

They didn't. It's really that simple.

The part of my brain that processes information gets incredibly inflamed when I see/hear things like this. Like, I know that people like him clearly don't process information the same way I do and I accept that. But I cannot unify the concept of an entity which requires logic for everyday interactions with their own reality, alongside one that will outright deny an objective truth that is placed in front of them. It's a failure of reason and an abject denial of who they are as a conscious being and it makes so little sense to me that I feel compelled to go do some unrelated logical thing just to bring balance back to my sphere of reality.

 

[TheVrolok]

The part of my brain that processes information gets incredibly inflamed when I see/hear things like this. Like, I know that people like him clearly don't process information the same way I do and I accept that. But I cannot unify the concept of an entity which requires logic for everyday interactions with their own reality, alongside one that will outright deny an objective truth that is placed in front of them. It's a failure of reason and an abject denial of who they are as a conscious being and it makes so little sense to me that I feel compelled to go do some unrelated logical thing just to bring balance back to my sphere of reality.

Absolutely agreed. Cognitive dissonance is a funny thing.