Full House vote on impeachment inquiry rules to be held Thursday

[Jhhnn]

So Obama acting as the President of the US made the foreign policy that said the prosecutor in the Ukraine had to go and Biden was only acting on that policy.

Correct.

I don't care what the EU or UK support. that is irrelevant.

They were making the same demands as Obama, rightfully so. Read up on the prosecutor Trump says was unfairly ousted-

Viktor Shokin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[pcgeek11]

Correct.



They were making the same demands as Obama, rightfully so. Read up on the prosecutor Trump says was unfairly ousted-

Viktor Shokin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If Obama made this a policy and it was fine. Why can't Trump as the President make his wishes for an investigation a policy.

I still don't care what the UK and EU had as an opinion.

 

[fskimospy]

No. My argument was that I see nothing I consider impeachable in his phone transcripts.

And before anyone says it. I know what I think doesn't matter, its about the feelz etc.... Just as well as what all of you guys think on this subject doesn't matter either. So I would say we are pretty even.

Obviously the process the Democrats have put into motion will continue to its conclusion regardless of the opinion of you or I. And if they toss him out I'm sure you will gloat and have a party or something and we can all come together with President Pence. And if they don't toss him out of office you will continue to rant and rave to no good end and the people at the election will make the decision.

Haha so you’re doing exactly what I said.

You’re very predictable.

 

[Indus]

Brainwashed too!

 

[ivwshane]

If Obama made this a policy and it was fine. Why can't Trump as the President make his wishes for an investigation a policy.

I still don't care what the UK and EU had as an opinion.

Because one foreign policy was done in our, as in the United States, interest, where as the other was done not only for trump and only trumps benefit but it was also done to help trump and his presidential campaign, which is illegal even if trump wasn’t president, and it’s gross abuse of power.

Do you think incumbents who have the power to use their position in government, should be allowed to use the resources of the United States government to go after political opponents? What about using foreign powers to go after ones political opponents? Do you think foreign governments should be trying to influence our democracy in such a way? What do you think the founding fathers think about the subject?

 

[zzyzxroad]

If Obama made this a policy and it was fine. Why can't Trump as the President make his wishes for an investigation a policy.

I still don't care what the UK and EU had as an opinion.

So you think the two are in any way remotely similar?

I care about what our closest friends and allies think. If you don't that's fine but I hope you are in the minority.

 

[TeeJay1952]

There is nothing in the Constitution about US not influencing in foreign elections.
There is a prohibition of allowing foreign influence in our elections.

 

[outriding]

Because one foreign policy was done in our, as in the United States, interest, where as the other was done not only for trump and only trumps benefit but it was also done to help trump and his presidential campaign, which is illegal even if trump wasn’t president, and it’s gross abuse of power.

Do you think incumbents who have the power to use their position in government, should be allowed to use the resources of the United States government to go after political opponents? What about using foreign powers to go after ones political opponents? Do you think foreign governments should be trying to influence our democracy in such a way? What do you think the founding fathers think about the subject?

Pcgeek only thinks if it helps trump then it means it helps the US. Because feels/reasons

 

[zzyzxroad]

No. My argument was that I see nothing I consider impeachable in his phone transcripts.

And before anyone says it. I know what I think doesn't matter, its about the feelz etc.... Just as well as what all of you guys think on this subject doesn't matter either. So I would say we are pretty even.

Obviously the process the Democrats have put into motion will continue to its conclusion regardless of the opinion of you or I. And if they toss him out I'm sure you will gloat and have a party or something and we can all come together with President Pence. And if they don't toss him out of office you will continue to rant and rave to no good end and the people at the election will make the decision.

So you think a quid pro quo with a foreign government for personal political gain is not grounds for impeachment?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If Obama made this a policy and it was fine. Why can't Trump as the President make his wishes for an investigation a policy.

I still don't care what the UK and EU had as an opinion.

Within limits, he can. If he wished to do as Obama did then that falls within the law and diplomatic norms. Now if Obama asked Ukraine to personally investigate Romney without any evidence of wrongdoing, not "feels", then he would have done the same as Trump and he would deserve exactly the same thing, impeachment, and removal. Of course, he didn't.

Any time Trump authorized or approved of sanctions to correct behavior he's been allowed to. It might be unwise or even stupid, but illegal? Nope. Same for Biden and Obama. Not the same when going after Biden who absolutely did nothing wrong.

Might want to quit now.

 

[UNCjigga]

Seems to be going quite well for the Administration...lolololol!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1191796014237331457

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not

Seems to be going quite well for the Administration...lolololol!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1191796014237331457

Nothing to see, move along. GET THE WHISTLEBLOWER!

 

[dank69]

It isn't a dig it is an observation.

They ( Democrats ) have claimed to have all they need to impeach Trump for two years.
They ( Democrats ) have done nothing until now to address their conviction that Trump should be impeached.

The Republicans have done no more or less to make it a hyperpartisan issue than the Democrats. I think they are on par with one another on that point.

It is underway now and will play out however it does...

I've seen you claim now several times that Democrats have claimed to have everything they need to impeach for 2 years. What is your source for that? A few Democrats taken out of context and projected to be speaking for all Democrats?

 

[zzyzxroad]

I've seen you claim now several times that Democrats have claimed to have everything they need to impeach for 2 years. What is your source for that? A few Democrats taken out of context and projected to be speaking for all Democrats?

He hasn't responded to my question from Saturday. Hopefully he is ok.

 

[Jhhnn]

I've seen you claim now several times that Democrats have claimed to have everything they need to impeach for 2 years. What is your source for that? A few Democrats taken out of context and projected to be speaking for all Democrats?

Framing it in terms of Left vs Right lets him avoid looking at it in terms or Right vs Wrong. What Trump has done with this Ukraine thing is deeply wrong and highly immoral on a multiplicity of levels. It's just one facet of how wrong his whole presidency really is.

 

[nOOky]

Apparently Sondland is more afraid of perjury than Trump, good boy. Too bad the administration cancelled all those nasty ethics training sessions, they might have come in handy these days.

 

[emperus]

If Obama made this a policy and it was fine. Why can't Trump as the President make his wishes for an investigation a policy.

I still don't care what the UK and EU had as an opinion.

Republicans wrote a letter in support of the Obama administration removing the prosecutor. #Fact. So, Biden did something everybody wanted him to do ( including Republicans) and that was in the best interest of the US. And your argument is that because there is some unproven theory that it MAY have tangentially helped his son, that he is corrupt? Do you believe he shouldn't have did what EVERYONE (including Republicans) wanted him to do? And furthermore what are you blaming Biden when it was Obama who sent him? Do yout think Obama (you know the President) wasn't aware of what he was doing? Or do you think Obama was in on the corruption as well. You see why this whole argument is tedious for most people. It's really ridiculous if you understood the issue. The problem is that Fox news and most of the people pushing this are dishonest, and a lot of people like yourself don't question the BS you're fed.

 

[zinfamous]

So Obama acting as the President of the US made the foreign policy that said the prosecutor in the Ukraine had to go and Biden was only acting on that policy.

I don't care what the EU or UK support. that is irrelevant.

What's relevant is that you remain happily and purposefully ignorant of the actual reality-based timeline of the corruption issue that this is all about (from Trump's perspective).

The "corruption" that was actual corruption was dealt with before Trump was president. He has literally claimed, in public, that all of this happened like, this year. It is 3 years prior. Why is this not important to you?

Why do you accept a blatant lie about time and space, in order to defend "I don't think it is enough for impeachment?"

Why is this your position?

...Is your answer going to be: "Well, that's just my opinion! [that what factually happened 3 years ago happened this year!] I'm going to help you: either you admit that you are wrong, or you fundamentally believe that an event that the world knows happened 3 years ago, happened this year.

 

[pcgeek11]

I've seen you claim now several times that Democrats have claimed to have everything they need to impeach for 2 years. What is your source for that? A few Democrats taken out of context and projected to be speaking for all Democrats?

Have you been under a rock for the last two years?

Quite a few Democrats, not out of context. Esp Schiff.

 

[fskimospy]

Have you been under a rock for the last two years?

Quite a few Democrats, not out of context. Esp Schiff.

Can you quote Schiff on this from 2 years back?

 

[pcgeek11]

What's relevant is that you remain happily and purposefully ignorant of the actual reality-based timeline of the corruption issue that this is all about (from Trump's perspective).

The "corruption" that was actual corruption was dealt with before Trump was president. He has literally claimed, in public, that all of this happened like, this year. It is 3 years prior. Why is this not important to you?

Why do you accept a blatant lie about time and space, in order to defend "I don't think it is enough for impeachment?"

Why is this your position?

...Is your answer going to be: "Well, that's just my opinion! [that what factually happened 3 years ago happened this year!] I'm going to help you: either you admit that you are wrong, or you fundamentally believe that an event that the world knows happened 3 years ago, happened this year.

I never claimed that the corruption timeline was anything. The time it took place was a fact that I'm not disputing. Regardless of what Trump says it is.

I see little if any difference between what Biden did and what Trump is accused of.

 

[brycejones]

I never claimed that the corruption timeline was anything. The time it took place was a fact that I'm not disputing. Regardless of what Trump says it is.

I see little if any difference between what Biden did and what Trump is accused of.

So you see no difference between one person carrying out foreign policy objectives in the national interest and one using foreign policy to further his personal interest?

 

[JEDIYoda]

I never claimed that the corruption timeline was anything. The time it took place was a fact that I'm not disputing. Regardless of what Trump says it is.

I see little if any difference between what Biden did and what Trump is accused of.

Plz explain -- what you see that we don`t see.....

 

[ivwshane]

So you see no difference between one person carrying out foreign policy objectives in the national interest and one using foreign policy to further his personal interest?

To him, the federal government is merely a tool for the president to do whatever he wants. The president can use his resources to persuade allies (current or potential) to do things in the interest of the world, the United States, or even for the benefit of himself and only himself.

If we bring this closer to home; he believes that a mod can do whatever they want with the powers that have been given to them. If a mod wants to ban trolls and spammers, that’s their prerogative, if mods want to ban users whose political views don’t align with theirs, well that’s ok to. A mod’s power is absolute and the duty of the mod isn’t what the site owners (the constitution) say it is but rather what ever the mod wants it to be. And pcgeek sees nothing wrong with that.

It’s not abuse of power it’s his power to abuse.

 

[Stryke1983]

I never claimed that the corruption timeline was anything. The time it took place was a fact that I'm not disputing. Regardless of what Trump says it is.

I see little if any difference between what Biden did and what Trump is accused of.

Biden, as an official representative of the US government, with bi-partisan support, enacted official US policy in order to support the interests of the US.

In contrast, Trump used his position in the US government, without the prior knowledge of the rest of the US government, to use US government assets to get a another country to open a fake investigation into a US citizen for the sole purpose of satisfying personal vendetta.

Think about that. Biden was doing what he had been told to do and was supported by all the branches of the government in his official role. Trump secretly used that same power to try and manufacture dirt on a US citizen for personal reasons. If you still maintain that those are the same thing then you are being blatantly dishonest. I swear that Trump could arbitrarily shut down every rival hotel chain near his properties and some people would still claim it's not an abuse of his office for personal gain and there is no reason to do anything about it.

As an aside, you can stop referring to all this as something that Trump is merely "accused of". It's on record as having happened. This isn't an unproven rumor anymore.