Full Frame Price Wars

[soydios]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hell, the D300 is already 90% D700; swap the sensor and voila.

and everything to do with the mirror box. it's kinda a D3 mirror box crammed into a D300 body.

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: 996GT2

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Deadtrees

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Coming from a source who were always right, Nikon's entry level FF camera is in preparation.

even lower-end than D700????

D700 is more like a flagship camera.

If the D700 is Nikon's flagship, then what is the D3, D3X? Unless you are saying Nikon has more then one flagship? 😕

My guess is that the D3 and D3x are Nikon's "full size" flagship bodies with integrated vertical grips, while the D700 is more of a "smaller" flagship that gives the photographer the option of using or not using a battery grip. Since the D700 produces the same images as the D3, they can both be considered flagship models since there are not many huge differences among the two models.

Nah... not buying that one. A flagship camera is one camera, if you are calling it Nikon's flagship. Now if you want to caveat it and break down the market segments Nikon participates in and name the top camera in each segment, that's entirely different. But the D700 is not Nikon's flagship.


I can't really see Nikon's engineers or execs saying... look at our "smaller, battery grip optional" flagship. They don't do that... they point to the D3, now D3X.

Again, D700 is more 'like' a flaghship camera as the difference between the flagship camera(d3) is very minimal. The point is that the budget FF camera will have less specs. than D700. Otherwise, it'd jeopardize the lineup.
Also, keep it mind that d300 is also a flagship camera(as told by Nikon). So far, Nikon has two flagship cameras and introduction of D3x will add one more.

 

[dnuggett]

I haven't heard Nikon call the D300 a flagship, but if you have then ok. I suppose by this logic the D90 is flagship like as well. IQ from the D90 is equal to if not better, and the sensor is the same.

So Nikon has three flagships, and two flagship "like" cameras? Actually make it four flagships, or five, wait... six (rangefinder) counting film. I prefer not to dilute what flagship means by doing it that way but to each their own.

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: dnuggett
I haven't heard Nikon call the D300 a flagship, but if you have then ok. I suppose by this logic the D90 is flagship like as well. IQ from the D90 is equal to if not better, and the sensor is the same.

So Nikon has three flagships, and two flagship "like" cameras? Actually make it four flagships, or five, wait... six (rangefinder) counting film. I prefer not to dilute what flagship means by doing it that way but to each their own.

The notion of Flagship is not soley based upon IQ. It's more about the build quality of the camera. Does it use 100% viewfinder? does it use the best AF module? Is it weather sealed? What's the max. shutter speed? Does it support MF lens metering? are some of the cosiderations deciding whether it's a flagship or not. Such a decision used to be easy back in the days when the line up was plain and simple. However, as competition has become tighter, such notion is vague thus we see people arguing over whether it's a flaghship camera or not. It's worse(meaning it's more complicated) in Nikon because Nikon has changed their line up whereas Canon is still sticking to it. Because of that, I'm sticking to what Nikon has to say about it. As Nikon stated, D300 is a flagship camera. D3 is a flagship camera. D3x is a flagship camera. D700 is 'like' a flagship camera. D90 clearly doesn't cut it because of its limitations in build and mechanical quality. Again, if we judge whether it's a flagship or not based on IQ, D40, the very budget camera, would've been the flagship camera back in the day.

 

[soydios]

D3 and D3X are the flagship cameras. End. Of. Story. They are the best that Nikon has in production for the low-light and high-resolution markets, respectively.

D700 is scaled down in features and build quality. D300 is scaled down in sensor, which is really only good if you need more pixels on target, like a wildlife or airshow photographer.

The D90 is not a professional body.

Keep in mind that for the longest time, it was only the features of the body that differentiated cameras: film was film, and it behaved the same between different bodies and lenses.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: soydios

Keep in mind that for the longest time, it was only the features of the body that differentiated cameras: film was film, and it behaved the same between different bodies and lenses.

that was the nice thing about film. an olympus stylus could use the same film as an f5 or eos 1 or m7 and rival any of those cameras. we've yet to replicate anything like it in digital.

 

[dnuggett]

Completely agree with all you have said here. My post was to point out the wrong headedness of suggesting there are 3 flagships. But I have grown tired of arguing about photography on AT. There is a bunch of this type of gibberish flying around here.

Originally posted by: soydios
D3 and D3X are the flagship cameras. End. Of. Story. They are the best that Nikon has in production for the low-light and high-resolution markets, respectively.

D700 is scaled down in features and build quality. D300 is scaled down in sensor, which is really only good if you need more pixels on target, like a wildlife or airshow photographer.

The D90 is not a professional body.

Keep in mind that for the longest time, it was only the features of the body that differentiated cameras: film was film, and it behaved the same between different bodies and lenses.

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: dnuggett
Completely agree with all you have said here. My post was to illusitrate the wrong headedness of suggesting there are 3 flagships. But I have grown tired of arguing about photography on AT. There is a bunch of this type of gibberish flying around here.

Originally posted by: soydios
D3 and D3X are the flagship cameras. End. Of. Story. They are the best that Nikon has in production for the low-light and high-resolution markets, respectively.

D700 is scaled down in features and build quality. D300 is scaled down in sensor, which is really only good if you need more pixels on target, like a wildlife or airshow photographer.

The D90 is not a professional body.

Keep in mind that for the longest time, it was only the features of the body that differentiated cameras: film was film, and it behaved the same between different bodies and lenses.

Claim that to Nikon that said D300, D3, D3x are all flagships.

The confusion here was that you couldn't possibly think there can be more than one flagship as told by yourself. Also I never said D700 is a flagship but a 'flagship-like' camera but you had to argue about that implying I said D700 is a flagship camera.

Now that soydios said both D3 and D3X are flagship cameras, you completely agree? You said 1, Nikon said 3, I said 3 and soydios said 2. The key difference is that you were saying "A flagship camera is one camera, if you are calling it Nikon's flagship" whereas Nikon, soydios, and I are saying that there can be more than 1 flagship camera.

Given that, your saying "My post was to illusitrate the wrong headedness of suggesting there are 3 flagships" fails to make any sense.

In the end, you couldn't possibly come up with a good logic so the best you could do was saying that my notion based on Nikon's own comment is "headedness."