Full committee hearing- climate science in the House.

[Paratus]

Dp

 

[Paratus]

It's also a flat out lie. Do you think there's that much difference in the temperatures between the 1930s and present day? Seriously? The graph is a lie, where did you get it?

Jesus dude it's XKCD. Been on the internet much?
https://xkcd.com/1732/

And yes the average global surface temperature has gone up about 1-1.5 degrees

EDIT If you look at the top right of the image he sources his data. A couple of authors, IPCC, and Hadcrut 4

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Jesus dude it's XKCD. Been on the internet much?
https://xkcd.com/1732/

And yes the average global surface temperature has gone up about 1-1.5 degrees

EDIT If you look at the top right of the image he sources his data. A couple of authors, IPCC, and Hadcrut 4

noble effort, but you're trying to convince a tree stump of a human. Obviously the data that created these graphs is fake. fake, fake, fakity fake.

 

[Paratus]

noble effort, but you're trying to convince a tree stump of a human. Obviously the data that created these graphs is fake. fake, fake, fakity fake.

Alas it's my windmill to tilt at

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Alas it's my windmill to tilt at

Go get 'em Don. More power to you.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It's also a flat out lie. Do you think there's that much difference in the temperatures between the 1930s and present day? Seriously? The graph is a lie, where did you get it?

Yes it has gotten warmer between 1930 and today, there are plenty of resources to view/use to determine this. Keep in mind we're talking about 3/4th a degree Celsius. The image is about the increase over time vs the increase over modern history.

 

[brycejones]

It's also a flat out lie. Do you think there's that much difference in the temperatures between the 1930s and present day? Seriously? The graph is a lie, where did you get it?

Some poor baby has been triggered. What is your specific evidence for it being incorrect?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Gotta love this stuff, if you torture the numbers long enough they'll tell you anything you want to hear.

 

[agent00f]

Gotta love this stuff, if you torture the numbers long enough they'll tell you anything you want to hear.

Why would you pretend to know much about numbers? Has that ever worked for you anywhere?

 

[First]

Gotta love this stuff, if you torture the numbers long enough they'll tell you anything you want to hear.

Triggered.

 

[woolfe9998]

SCROTUS issues new EO making climate change bottom priority. Even gets rid of Obama EO which ordered preparedness for rising sea levels.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/politics/trump-climate-change-executive-order/index.html

This is your brain on conspiracy theories. It's also why facts matter.

 

[TheVrolok]

Alas it's my windmill to tilt at

For what it's worth, I only come into these threads to read your posts and pick up new knowledge. :wub:

 

[Paratus]

For what it's worth, I only come into these threads to read your posts and pick up new knowledge. :wub:

Aw Schucks.

 

[fskimospy]

SCROTUS issues new EO making climate change bottom priority. Even gets rid of Obama EO which ordered preparedness for rising sea levels.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/politics/trump-climate-change-executive-order/index.html

This is your brain on conspiracy theories. It's also why facts matter.

I love how it removes an order telling the federal government to prepare for the effects of climate change. What possible reason would anyone have to not want to prepare?

This is like those idiots in North Carolina where they appear to think that if you ignore it climate change goes away.

 

[Paratus]

I love how it removes an order telling the federal government to prepare for the effects of climate change. What possible reason would anyone have to not want to prepare?

This is like those idiots in North Carolina where they appear to think that if you ignore it climate change goes away.

It's a big FU to coastal counties, especially in Florida. So that may not be the smartest move politically. But then again Floridas own governor doesn't give a shit either so may be not.

 

[brycejones]

Gotta love this stuff, if you torture the numbers long enough they'll tell you anything you want to hear.

Poor baby can't find evidence for his lie claim.

 

[brycejones]

It's a big FU to coastal counties, especially in Florida. So that may not be the smartest move politically. But then again Floridas own governor doesn't give a shit either so may be not.

You don't have to prepare for something that is a Chinese hoax to cripple our coal industry.

 

[woolfe9998]

I love how it removes an order telling the federal government to prepare for the effects of climate change. What possible reason would anyone have to not want to prepare?

This is like those idiots in North Carolina where they appear to think that if you ignore it climate change goes away.

Yes, that's the shocking part indeed. It really takes commitment to denial of reality to go so far as nullifying preparedness. That's why I said, this is your brain on conspiracy theories. This asshole doesn't accept scientific consensus and is actually making policy on the basis of it.

 

[Paratus]

Well the committee had its hearing today and it went about as well as I expected.

https://arstechnica.com/science/201...e-scientists-not-following-scientific-method/

However one positive comment was made by one of the skeptics which I'm sure will be ignored by Smith and some folks on this board.

But Pielke, who was likely invited because of his skeptical take on climate impacts, came out strongly in favor of government intervention, saying, "Uncertainty on this topic won't be eliminated before we have to act." While he said that regulation won't lead to energy innovation, it has an important role to play in bringing any innovations to a wider market. And he argued there are plenty of reasons to foster energy innovation even if you don't believe in climate change.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You can read Dr. Curry's testimony right here.
https://judithcurry.com/2017/03/29/house-science-committee-hearing/

 

[agent00f]

You can read Dr. Curry's testimony right here.
https://judithcurry.com/2017/03/29/house-science-committee-hearing/

You're hilariously obsessed with this woman who had no trouble accepting climate change when she actually did relevant research, but has no trouble flopping the other way now that she's the darling of conservative degenerate media.

 

[Grooveriding]

Comrade Taj is a 21st century flat-earther.

 

[IronWing]

I guess when the permafrost melts enough to sink the Alaska pipeline, conservatives might take notice. Nah.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I guess when the permafrost melts enough to sink the Alaska pipeline, conservatives might take notice. Nah.

Or when enough ground water is pumped out of the Miami area to cause subsidence to the point that sea level really does matter.

 

[Paratus]

Or when enough ground water is pumped out of the Miami area to cause subsidence to the point that sea level really does matter.

I really like this response. It's wrong on so many levels, yet it leaves you with so many outs.

You know that melting permafrost and tidal flooding of Miami Beach are signals of destructive climate change much harder to deny than model predictions. Since you don't have any sound bites against melting permafrost you throw shade at Miami Beaches flooding being caused by aman-made issue not related to climate change. This would link the two as being in a doubt or "unsettled science" to any lay person reading your post.

Now there's several ways for me to eviscerate your post. I could point out that Miami Beach gets it water piped in from Miami Dade county because no ground water is pumped out of the ground under a city built on a barrier island surrounded by salt water!

I could also point out that subsidence is an issue because some areas of the city were originally built on swampland. Scientists, being interested in reality and all, have taken both subsidence and sea level rise into account. Subsidence contributes to localized flooding but cannot account for all of the flooding seen.

University of Florida PDF
https://www.rsmas.miami.edu/users/swdowinski/presentations/2014-Wdowinski-SLR-Miami-Beach.pdf

Now I don't know if you are lucky or good but you left yourself some plausible deniability.

If you look at the map the City of Miami and Miami are separate cities. By referring to the "Miami Area" you can claim you weren't incorrectly referring to subsidence in Miami Beach! I'm betting you didn't know these were separate places and referring to Miami weakens your original post because no one has been directly using it as a example. But you can claim you weren't wrong ! At least until I have a chance to look at flooding and subsidence for Miami proper.