Fudzilla: Cypress yields 60-80% Fermi yields at 20% Fermi 20% faster than Cypress

[SHAQ]

Hopefully they will launch in March even with low quantities for Nvidia loyal customers. That way there will be enough margin for it to be doable.

 

[ScorcherDarkly]

"TSMC claim that actually the 40nm process that is being used for the Cypress family is routinely achieving yields in the 60% to 80% range, which is actually confirmed by the fact that ATI is keeping product in the pipeline and you can actually buy boards at retail."

How does being for sale in retail confirm such high yields? Yields could be shit but some boards might still pop up in retail, if ATI only orders enough wafers

Its a reasonable conclusion from observations of the market over the past 6 months. When the 5800s were released, parts were extremely scarce. MSRP went up to try and tamp down demand and the supply still wasn't enough. Lots of rumors abounded that chip yields were under 50% and this was the reason for the shortage of cards.

The market today is quite different. All single GPU cards are readily available from multiple etailers, and prices have even begun to edge back down. This points to a greater supply, which could definitely be the result of higher yields at TSMC. Yields go up as time goes on, and it was early December when industry insider rumors started circulating that the problems were finally under control.

It could be that AMD ordered more wafers, but if more wafers was all that was needed then they would have done it 4 months ago when supply was at a trickle. TSMC also would have to open up new lines in order to manufacture more wafers, which would cause them considerable expense as well, making it unlikely that they'd do that while there was so much room for improvement in chip yields.

 

[scooterlibby]

Still can't get the 5970 anywhere and prices are still too far above MSRP

 

[nyker96]

I totally expect fermi to have poorer yeilds than cypress but by that much? 20% would mean they are loosing a lot of cash that way. I don't believe it's that bad, really 20%!? no way.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Had nothing to do with CES - it was from a single forum post on a gaming board, made by some very childish-behaving guy with some Indian name, claiming to be an ex-NV employee...

...most likely utter BS.

Yep . On top of that another very childish person here said I was that Guy . LOL . Not true.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I'd love to find a nice long and detailed article on how it came to this. Maybe some months down the road post-launch.

You don't need along drawn out article for that . NV took a big step with a big chip and its a natural thing that it would be late with low yields . They will straighten it out.

But how it came to this is simple enough NV marketeers spreading Hype to stop 5000 series sales . Its really that simple . If IDC were here posting he could explain it better than any . But alas IDF is gone now . With a New Job but he not far away are you IDC?

 

[Xcobra]

You don't need along drawn out article for that . NV took a big step with a big chip and its a natural thing that it would be late with low yields . They will straighten it out.

But how it came to this is simple enough NV marketeers spreading Hype to stop 5000 series sales . Its really that simple . If IDC were here posting he could explain it better than any . But alas IDF is gone now . With a New Job but he not far away are you IDC?

Where is he anyway? I was wondering this earlier. :hmm:

 

[Nemesis 1]

Where is he anyway? I was wondering this earlier. :hmm:

Its not for me to say . It just adds to the mystery of Nemesis 1

 

[Shilohen]

I thought he was just enjoying an extended holiday vacation , his posts were without any doubt the best of these forums, very well written, very well explained, always enlightening... bleh...

 

[ronnn]

Just fud working for his sponsors. Nvidia has a very nice card coming and lowering expectations is just part of the game.

 

[Keysplayr]

Just fud working for his sponsors. Nvidia has a very nice card coming and lowering expectations is just part of the game.

I subscribe to the "don't believe everything you read" mentality, but for pete's sake do you think everything written about Nvidia, bad or good, is a lie?

So now you wish to start the ball rolling on a new line of thinking. Nvidia has a monster, but they paid FUD to downplay it, lowering the competitions guard. amiright?

Wow.

 

[cbn]

Those in the known are claiming that Fermi despite the yield and thermal issues is only about 20% faster than Cypress, while Hemlock smokes it.

When someone says 20% faster what does that really mean?

If this 20% is based on tested frame rates I think we can throw this idea of Fermi being a bad chip out the window.

Give a higher powered GPU extra resolution and the performance gap will widen.

 

[Hey Zeus]

They need to hurry the fuck up

 

[ronnn]

I subscribe to the "don't believe everything you read" mentality, but for pete's sake do you think everything written about Nvidia, bad or good, is a lie?

So now you wish to start the ball rolling on a new line of thinking. Nvidia has a monster, but they paid FUD to downplay it, lowering the competitions guard. amiright?

Wow.

Wow! All I said was Nvidia has a very nice card, not a "monster". Yes I would describe the 5850 as very nice also. Price and personal needs tend to rule.

This is a little rich after the many Nvidia pr suggestions that Charlie is a paid AMD shill with a personal grudge. Just turns out that my respect for fud is not that high either.

All companies like to keep expectations reasonable. After that very impressive demo at CES, expectations were getting silly.

Not happy about the personal attack suggesting I like to get balls rolling....

 

[Jd007]

I've heard stories about Fermi being 50% faster than a 5870, and then this. So my philosophy on computer hardware is, and has always been:

Benches by at least one reliable third party or it didn't happen.

 

[Keysplayr]

Wow! All I said was Nvidia has a very nice card, not a "monster". Yes I would describe the 5850 as very nice also. Price and personal needs tend to rule.

This is a little rich after the many Nvidia pr suggestions that Charlie is a paid AMD shill with a personal grudge. Just turns out that my respect for fud is not that high either.

All companies like to keep expectations reasonable. After that very impressive demo at CES, expectations were getting silly.

Not happy about the personal attack suggesting I like to get balls rolling....

Personal........................attack?

Okaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy then. I'm going to go laugh myself to sleep now.

Have a good night ronnn.

 

[Schmide]

Okaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy then. I'm going to go laugh myself to sleep now.

No sleep yet. You promised us quite a bit in the other thread. Your silence has just made the scuttlebutt greater.

 

[soccerballtux]

Its not for me to say . It just adds to the mystery of Nemesis 1

Lol Nemesis you crack me up

 

[soccerballtux]

When someone says 20% faster what does that really mean?

If this 20% is based on tested frame rates I think we can throw this idea of Fermi being a bad chip out the window.

Give a higher powered GPU extra resolution and the performance gap will widen.

What extra resolution? 5870 has all the bandwidth it needs for 30" displays...

 

[SlowSpyder]

Just fud working for his sponsors. Nvidia has a very nice card coming and lowering expectations is just part of the game.

I don't know that Nvidia would want to lower expectations. I would think that doing so right now would push potential customers to a 58xx card. Think about it, if Nvidia was to release a some less than flattering information about Fermi then why would someone looking for a high end gaming card wait when they can buy a 58xx now? Anything is possible, I just don't know what purpose it would server I guess.

 

[ronnn]

I don't know that Nvidia would want to lower expectations. I would think that doing so right now would push potential customers to a 58xx card. Think about it, if Nvidia was to release a some less than flattering information about Fermi then why would someone looking for a high end gaming card wait when they can buy a 58xx now? Anything is possible, I just don't know what purpose it would server I guess.

Is normal to want to manage expectations. Fermi wants to compete against whatever amd has, not what users hope Fermi is. Before every launch there is negative noise from selected sites.

This usually happens close to launch and 20% is a pretty good reason to wait a few weeks.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Lol Nemesis you crack me up

Well someone has to relieve the tension in here its so thick ya need a chain saw to cut threw it.

 

[Tab]

NV still has the goold old 8800/9800/250/(and dare I predict it, 340?) to carry them through 2010. Crank up the marketing machine, get the viral guys to yammer incessantly about PhysX & 3d glasses and everything should turn out well even without enthusiast parts.

To listen to Wreckage, nv is dominating the market even without any competitive products. Who knows, that may continue for yet another year.

Umm, no.

Seriously, once the 5850 / 5770 is in consistent supply and they're price at or below MSRP they will sell like hot takes and every month ATI is start taking chunks out of nvidia in that Steam Hardware survey.

There a ton of new A++ PC games that come out in the next few months (Ruse, Mass Effect 2, Bad Company 2, C&C 5, Red Orchestra 2, Splinter Cell, Starcraft 2 Beta etc) and your 8800GT simply is not going to run it.

Still can't get the 5970 anywhere and prices are still too far above MSRP

Who cares? The 5970 and 5870 are niche cards, the breads in the 5850 and possibly the 5770. Not to mention it's also in their mobile cards and it doesn't look like nvidia has anything to compete with this.

 

[scooterlibby]

I care. That is why I wrote that.

 

[Attic]

:awe:

Can't wait for these cards to finally drop and read a decent review.