Fudzilla: Bulldozer performance figures are in

[Bearach]

I didn't totally read through, but according to a competition on AMD's website it states the value of a yet unknown model of 8 core Bulldozer, as being approximately worth $300.

7. Prizes:

Top tier prizes: Five (5) AMD FX series eight-core processors. Approximate Retail Value: $300 USD each.

Second tier prizes: One hundred (100) collectible Ruby dolls. Approximate Value: $25 USD each.

Link: http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/processors/Pages/fx-rules.aspx

 

[Mr Vain]

I didn't totally read through, but according to a competition on AMD's website it states the value of a yet unknown model of 8 core Bulldozer, as being approximately worth $300.


Link: http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/processors/Pages/fx-rules.aspx

Using the price to performance speculation calculator, it should be within the Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge performance ball park. If that holds true after the official reviews I will probably buy it.
The Egg price for Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz $314.99

 

[Mr Vain]

AMD is set to mass produce its high-end FX series Bulldozer-based processors in August and will launch the products in September.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110801PD214.html

It’s so close now that I can wait, Hopefully LOL.

 

[Jacky60]

Bejesus if this is true I'm getting bulldozer to pair up with my 6990's -AMD all the way ftw!

 

[bryanW1995]

Still think I'll wait at least until BF even if they're super dooper uber 1337, but at least it's good to hear that they aren't postponing again again.

 

[drizek]

Still think I'll wait at least until BF even if they're super dooper uber 1337, but at least it's good to hear that they aren't postponing again again.

1055T wa ~$140 on neweggon release, 2500K was $180 on meritline on release. Hopefully we se a similar deal on a zambezi.

 

[Jionix]

14 days until Bulldozer (server). According to Semiaccurate.

 

[Vesku]

We can actually get a decent gauge of performance for desktop from the 8 core server chips. The desktop variants haven't strayed much at all from the 4 module server parts, although there are bound to be microcode differences. It will be the teaser we've been asking for. Assuming they aren't holding back 8 core server chips for the desktop launch. :O

 

[Accord99]

The 8 core server chips are probably MCMed dual 4-cores, in order to support the quad-channel memory of G34.

 

[Vesku]

Ah, so expect desktop to have a nice jump in non memory constrained tasks from G34 BDs. Still it will be actual numbers on which to base further speculation. Can't wait for the next giant thread, hehe.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Using the price to performance speculation calculator, it should be within the Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge performance ball park. If that holds true after the official reviews I will probably buy it.
The Egg price for Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz $314.99

The problem is that it's an "approximate" retail value. It could be that exact price, higher, or lower. I think it could make sense if they release the FX-8150 at $300-320, the FX-8100 at $280-290, the FX-6100 at $240-250, and the FX-4100 at $180-200. That's my take on it.

Also, price isn't always a good tool to use to determine performance. It could very well be priced so that Intel is then forced to release faster products and slash prices.

 

[Vesku]

I hope the clock doom and gloom was wrong, I just put in a 990FX board and was a bit disappointed in how it handles my current AM3 chip compared to my previous 790gx board. If I can get a FX-8100 for a good 20% less $ than a 8150 and OC the heck out of it, that would be grand.

 

[Mr Vain]

Also, price isn't always a good tool to use to determine performance. It could very well be priced so that Intel is then forced to release faster products and slash prices.

I hope that you are right in that it might be priced to force Intel to release faster products that would make BD a serious competitor to SB and probably IB.

 

[beginner99]

now deals that traditionally would have gotten done (say a 30 year fixed rate loan, 20% down, 700 trans union) are taking months instead of hours, and often the buyer loses interest/finds another use for the money/decides to hold off/etc etc. Heck, I'm a 769 credit score with a good job, equity in my home, etc etc, and it literally took me a month and a half to complete a refi last year. My data is a few months old now, but last I heard we were at more like 3 in 10 loans getting approved now.

OFF TOPIC:

Welcome to Reality. It doesn't even need common sense to understand that if most people just live by mortgages and credits (translator tells me: to live on tick) and run to someplace else when it gets too hot, the system will fail sooner or later.
Here you usually have to bring at least 20% of the house price and even then your financials are checked. if you don't earn enough, forget it. if you have any debt, forget it.
If you loose all your money, you can be held accountable later once you are on your feet again, meaning payback time. Authorities can easily keep track of you unless you leave the country.
This subprime stuff was just the first thing. The next big thing will be when credit card companies start to get into troubles and I believe that will happen rather sooner than latter.

 

[Mr Vain]

A birthdate predicted.

AMD to Formally Unveil Next-Gen Opteron Processors on September 26, 2011

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...Microprocessors_in_Late_September_Report.html

 

[Idontcare]

A birthdate predicted.

AMD to Formally Unveil Next-Gen Opteron Processors on September 26, 2011

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...Microprocessors_in_Late_September_Report.html

Damn, so not only did they blow the whole 1H 2011 timeline out of the water, now they are scrambling to get this thing "in" mere days before Q3 expires so as to avoid it becoming a "delayed to Q4" PR fiasco.

I really feel for the AMD and GloFo employees, it has got to be a crazy stressful work environment and work schedule right now for all the engineers, technicians, supply management, etc. The executive circle takes some of the public heat but its the guys just trying to earn a paycheck to pay their mortgage and put food on the table for their kids that have their personal lives turned upside-down by these kinds of product delays and scheduling snafus.

Their families suffer for it, kids don't see their mommy or daddy for days at a time because they are going in to work before kids get up and they don't get to trudge back home till long after kids go to bed (or they come home for dinner and then log in from home and spend all evening working). Been there, for years, its not nearly as glamorous of a job as it gets made out to be at times. :'(

 

[Terzo]

Damn, so not only did they blow the whole 1H 2011 timeline out of the water, now they are scrambling to get this thing "in" mere days before Q3 expires so as to avoid it becoming a "delayed to Q4" PR fiasco.

I really feel for the AMD and GloFo employees, it has got to be a crazy stressful work environment and work schedule right now for all the engineers, technicians, supply management, etc. The executive circle takes some of the public heat but its the guys just trying to earn a paycheck to pay their mortgage and put food on the table for their kids that have their personal lives turned upside-down by these kinds of product delays and scheduling snafus.

Their families suffer for it, kids don't see their mommy or daddy for days at a time because they are going in to work before kids get up and they don't get to trudge back home till long after kids go to bed (or they come home for dinner and then log in from home and spend all evening working). Been there, for years, its not nearly as glamorous of a job as it gets made out to be at times. :'(

Isn't this referring to the server version? I know it's still delayed, but I thought Bulldozer was being released Sept. 19th? So, as far as we know we'll see both products launch in mid-late September?

Also, where would you pin the blame for these delays? Is it management being too aggressive? Unexpected issues with design and manufacturing? In general, the fact that AMD doesn't have the budget of Intel to throw into R&D? I'd guess it's a combination of factors, but the pessimist in me would like to blame management for just about everything.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The problem is that it's an "approximate" retail value. It could be that exact price, higher, or lower. I think it could make sense if they release the FX-8150 at $300-320, the FX-8100 at $280-290, the FX-6100 at $240-250, and the FX-4100 at $180-200. That's my take on it.

Also, price isn't always a good tool to use to determine performance. It could very well be priced so that Intel is then forced to release faster products and slash prices.

This is What I would hope for . IF amd can force intel to lower pricies Intel becomes the value products. It matters not to me as I am intel exclusive. But a cheaper IB would be nice. The good part is this intel will be on 22nm =more cores per wafer. If AMD can outperform baby SB . cough! Intel can legeally cut pricies as they did with penryn which would put AMD in a bad position . SOI and more cores assures that.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Isn't this referring to the server version? I know it's still delayed, but I thought Bulldozer was being released Sept. 19th? So, as far as we know we'll see both products launch in mid-late September?

Also, where would you pin the blame for these delays? Is it management being too aggressive? Unexpected issues with design and manufacturing? In general, the fact that AMD doesn't have the budget of Intel to throw into R&D? I'd guess it's a combination of factors, but the pessimist in me would like to blame management for just about everything.

You can't blame AMD for fab problems other than choosing gate first over gate last . As for performance really can't point at AMD here either . Intel is a moving target on the highend and their sand bagging to top it off. It was pretty easy for AMD to nail Atom down . It was a static target easy to beat . But thats all changed now with 22nm coming out.

 

[Vesku]

I bet Intel's analysts are eager to get their hands on some physical BD chips. If there is any market threat from AMD it will be server and lower power APU and AMD seems to be getting excited about Trinity.

 

[bridito]

Forgive me for the absence (or in the case of some of you thank your lucky stars that pain in the butt Bridito hasn't been around) but clients have swamped me with work. And... to be honest... not much has been happening to move anyone one iota closer to an accurate determination of the benchys of either BD or SB-E so there really isn't much point in just hanging around arguing about fantasy performance figures.

I have seen other mentions of Opterons on Sept. 26 but if I'm not mistaken this is the first specific notice that FX is going to blow the famous "60-90 day" delayed launch date.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2390435,00.asp

AMD will release its first Bulldozer chip September 26, with its FX-series chips to follow by October.

With SB-E looking like a November launch it seems that the cosmos is aligning for a galactic confrontation of the mighty in the fall! Any further news on any of this?

Now, I owe I owe so off to work I go...:whiste:

 

[Terzo]

You can't blame AMD for fab problems other than choosing gate first over gate last . As for performance really can't point at AMD here either . Intel is a moving target on the highend and their sand bagging to top it off. It was pretty easy for AMD to nail Atom down . It was a static target easy to beat . But thats all changed now with 22nm coming out.

I suppose that's true. In the end, I just want BD to be out and competitive. Maybe at least Intel will drop the sandbagging bit then.

 

[Idontcare]

Also, where would you pin the blame for these delays? Is it management being too aggressive? Unexpected issues with design and manufacturing? In general, the fact that AMD doesn't have the budget of Intel to throw into R&D? I'd guess it's a combination of factors, but the pessimist in me would like to blame management for just about everything.

There's really no one to blame for the delay, its systemic.

We all held out hope of AMD delivering some awe inspiring retribution on Intel in early 2011, but AMD is as AMD does. Same with Intel.

No one here should be surprised that Intel's accountants are milking the 1366/2011 situation for all its worth, Intel is as Intel does.

Likewise with AMD. They overreach, challenge themselves with the task of accomplishing so much with so little. When the stockpile of eye of newt and unicorn dust runs low though, reality starts to hit home.

My number one concern right now is that everything about this bulldozer situation is giving me chills of dejavu 2006/2007 all over again with phenom. And while I could not care less about the financial loss to AMD's shareholders or the loss to the ego of AMD fanboys the world over, I do have many good friends and colleagues in AMD that I do worry about because the job insecurity and general environment of work stress is simply not fun or rewarding.

In that regard I don't don't care

Every day that passes without bulldozer on the market is one day that Intel is closer to the SB-E and IB launches. Very very very narrow window of opportunity here for bulldozer to launch and make much of a market impression before it gets boxed in from every direction except the clearance bin at your nearest micro center.

Bulldozer needed to be released before Sandy, not right before Ivy. 2012 for AMD is gonna look a lot like 2008, and from an employee standpoint that means layoffs and lots of general unhappiness and that is about the only reason I care to follow bulldozer at this point. There is a human side to this situation, and for me its personal.

 

[Vesku]

Yeah, it must have felt like they were working for Electronic Arts instead of AMD for at least the past year. I really hope the server launch being pushed back to just before the end of Q3 is a false rumor. I don't think AMD can handle another Phenom without handing out a lot of pink slips.

 

[Idontcare]

Yeah, it must have felt like they were working for Electronic Arts instead of AMD for at least the past year. I really hope the server launch being pushed back to just before the end of Q3 is a false rumor. I don't think AMD can handle another Phenom without handing out a lot of pink slips.

One big difference this time around, as far as I am aware, is that leading up to the launch of Barcelona/Phenom, AMD was engaged in the middle of large hiring campaign with the operating assumption being that they really were going to smash Intel and have a huge hit on their hands.

So a large percentage of the ensuing layoffs were the idle hands they hired because they counted their chickens before they hatched.

I'm not aware of AMD having been on any sort of a hiring binge like that leading up to the bulldozer launch, so less fat to be trimmed if bulldozer doesn't deliver the revenue AMD needs to justify its headcount.

Regardless, that circumstances don't make for higher morale or less stressful workdays...delayed product means people are busting their asses 7 days a week until this thing is launched and market demand is sated.