Fudzilla: Bulldozer performance figures are in

[OCGuy]

I think this warrants a mandated change to incredibly invalid OP title.

Currently reads : 'Bulldozer performance figures are in'.

Should read : 'More faked BD figures are out'

+1 on forced thread title change.

 

[pantsaregood]

AMD had some serious issues with OEMs during the Netburst era because Intel engaged in unfair business practices. That much is known. It had nothing to do with AMD producing an inferior product.

I would not argue that Intel may have engaged in strongarm and/or illegal business practices. However, when AMD had the superior product during the Athlon X2 days, I dont think that they were in danger of going under.

It was only after Core 2 was released and updated twice while AMD kept the same (slower) architecture that they were in danger of going out of business. And although it might have been a good move in the long term, acquiring ATI at a hefty price put them in dire financial straights for a time as well.

AMD had superior products from 1999-2002. From 2002-2003, Intel and AMD were at each other's throats with the various revisions of the Athlon XP and Northwood core. From 2003-2006, AMD had the superior product.

Core 2 was undoubtedly superior to K8. Conroe, in retrospect, wasn't as ridiculous as it initially appeared. It was a huge leap from Netburst, but it was a logical performance progression from K8. Athlon 64 X2s were certainly slower than Core 2 Duos, but they weren't completely wrecked by them like Pentium Ds were.

AMD managed to get behind when they developed K10. K10 is, for the most part, a glorified K8. It has an L3 cache, SSE4a instructions, and a modified memory controller.

 

[Red Dawn]

Seems like a lot of you guys have a lot emotionally invested in your CPU of choice

 

[richierich1212]

If it's not Intel, it's fake.

 

[exar333]

Let's lock-up thread until we get some legit numbers...jeesh. It would be nice to have real BD numbers sometime soon...

 

[Makaveli]

Seems like a lot of you guys have a lot emotionally invested in your CPU of choice

Some are children!

Adults knows brand loyalty is stupid, and the only time you should be bickering over stuff is between which woman to sleep with

 

[Markfw]

OK, I added fudzilla to the title due to popular demand. That should make most here happy.

 

[sandorski]

Seems like a lot of you guys have a lot emotionally invested in your CPU of choice

Intel runs over puppies.

 

[AnandThenMan]

with a SuperPi 1M pf 19.5 seconds, BD won't be an enthusiast's gaming chip.

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. I hope for your sake, you were joking.

 

[Mr. President]

Adults knows brand loyalty is stupid, and the only time you should be bickering over stuff is between which woman to sleep with

You forgot about beer. Because Bud Light is not it.




:biggrin:

 

[AnandThenMan]

Created an account just to quote this guy because he hit it spot on.

Nothing has really changed. This is exactly what happened with AMD and the Phenom x6. More cores on the AMD evens the field, but ONLY in heavily multithreaded benchmarks.

Except this time it took 8 cores to get it done. In many ways this is a step down.

Intel is still winning this battle.

You created an account so say Intel is winning, without seeing a single, legit bench of Bulldozer? You're not off to a very good start haha.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Intel runs over puppies.

I lol'ed

And yes, it is quite funny how much emotional investment people put in there purchases, but I guess it's just a defense mechanism for when people question the decision.

 

[Makaveli]

You forgot about beer. Because Bud Light is not it.




:biggrin:

Have to agree with ya there bro real men don't drink bud light

 

[RussianSensation]

Did anyone else read this?

UPDATE: AMD Insiders Speak Out: BAPCo Exit is An Excuse for Bulldozer

" "Bulldozer is going to disappoint people because we did not get the resources to build a great CPU, and it's not that we needed billions of dollars to make it a leader. We needed investment in people, tools and technology."

As every competitive spirit, one of our sources went on to confirm the quote above and expressed concern that "Bulldozer’s client performance is not going to be enough to deliver growth in the enterprise and in my view, that is the biggest driver behind our current strategy."

When asked about core performance, surprising information was that a Bulldozer core versus the existing cores in Llano will result in minimal improvements overall. Our sources went on to say that the launch of Llano clearly shows what is the current and future strategy - downplay CPU performance every chance you get. Everything has to revolve around the GPU."

 

[Ares1214]

Anybody else thinking it does so poorly in SuperPi because AMD said "Screw x87" seeing as how its dead? Might explain why it does so well in everything but SuperPi if these benchmarks are to be believed. Maybe its not poor single threaded performance.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. I hope for your sake, you were joking.

Super Pi accurately measures single core preformance. Games are slow to adopt multiple cores. We just started using quad core CPU's and octo core support may take awhile. So for now CPUs that preform well using up to four cores are what we need for gaming. We don't need an 8 core CPU that our games will only use half of. I for one don't want a CPU that will preform the same in my games as my X4 955. So as long as this stays the same I will buy Intel next year. If intel can make a CPU that preforms the same as an octo core CPU with only four cores then that is what I need for gaming. I don't need a CPU where half of the system is idling while I play. Nothing but wasted potential.

 

[edplayer]

OK, I added fudzilla to the title due to popular demand. That should make most here happy.

Why? Fudzilla is just saying that another site has the info.

 

[Arkaign]

OK, I added fudzilla to the title due to popular demand. That should make most here happy.

Yeah that's a good enough qualifier I think

 

[notty22]

Super Pi accurately measures single core preformance. Games are slow to adopt multiple cores. We just started using quad core CPU's and octo core support may take awhile. So for now CPUs that preform well using up to four cores are what we need for gaming. We don't need an 8 core CPU that our games will only use half of. I for one don't want a CPU that will preform the same in my games as my X4 955. So as long as this stays the same I will buy Intel next year. If intel can make a CPU that preforms the same as an octo core CPU with only four cores then that is what I need for gaming. I don't need a CPU where half of the system is idling while I play. Nothing but wasted potential.

I knew AMD cpu's lagged behind Intel on it, but I forgot how much.
Thats the Phenom II @3.2ghz

 

[richierich1212]

lol @ superpi comparisons

 

[CTho9305]

Anybody else thinking it does so poorly in SuperPi because AMD said "Screw x87" seeing as how its dead? Might explain why it does so well in everything but SuperPi if these benchmarks are to be believed. Maybe its not poor single threaded performance.

SuperPi uses x87 extensively? Ugh. I wonder how many apps on Win8 ARM will use 64-bit floats while their x86 competitors have to process 80-bit floats.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Super Pi accurately measures single core preformance. Games are slow to adopt multiple cores. We just started using quad core CPU's and octo core support may take awhile. So for now CPUs that preform well using up to four cores are what we need for gaming. We don't need an 8 core CPU that our games will only use half of. I for one don't want a CPU that will preform the same in my games as my X4 955. So as long as this stays the same I will buy Intel next year. If intel can make a CPU that preforms the same as an octo core CPU with only four cores then that is what I need for gaming. I don't need a CPU where half of the system is idling while I play. Nothing but wasted potential.

Super Pi is worthless and ancient. BTW, some people do more with their systems than play games all day. But if you like to fool around with single threaded, meaningless programs like Super Pi to make you feel like you have a fast system, by all means. Real programs are heavily multi-threaded, Super Pi is a toy. And I don't know about you, but I do stuff in the background while I game so I easily take advantage of as many cores as I can get. I suppose not all people use their computers for more than one task at once.

For stability testing and quick benching use something like y-cruncher.

 

[busydude]

lol @ superpi comparisons

LOL indeed. SC 2 would be a better comparison to show Intel in better light.

 

[slackerinabox]

What are you talking about . Pure Hype and misdirection. Your comparring 4 moduls 8 real cores to intel 4 real cores. When it goes up against SB-E with 6/8 real cores it will be a run away . Whats with you guys . Cores do not = threads . No matter how hard you try ti change the definition it won't happen . SO AMD can compete with the 1155 chipset . Big deal. THats what I am saying . Before it was AMD BD will beat intels 8 real cores . Now its we can compete against 4 real intel cores . Its laughable and disingenious. There are tons of replies in alot of topics that are in the forum . Were I can show my words to be true and honest. Were as this mid range hype is a new development . Since the rumored cost of high end BD was made know. I can back my words up with earlier post . Frpm other members . That clearly show the bar was lowered considerably.

At this point I'm confident you work for intel or have absolutely no life what so ever. Who cares who makes what chip, I want more performance for the dollar - if AMD does that then good for them. Hell, I'd be excited if Cyrix came out with a affordable, high performance product - who cares about brand names and why do you stay up all day and night just to reply with great passion to threads about AMD products?

 

[GaiaHunter]

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/new_cpu-z_build_supports_amd_fx_bulldozer_and_llano


edit: 1.57 is the screenshot, which didn't support bulldozer. fake.

I thought the same but I was wrong.

Actually BD has preliminary support in CPU-Z 1.57.1.

And in this post a guys shows the difference by manipulating the CPUID via VMware.

Secondly the sample donanimhaber.com has is still crippled - look at the L1 and L2 cache speeds.