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FUD: AMD Tonga GPU comes as Radeon R9 285

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ocre said:
How could this be just a stab at maxell. Or amds own version of maxwell. It doesnt work like that. Gpus take yrs to develop. Nvidia has had maxwell coming for yrs now. It evolved out of kepler. There is no way amd seen the 750ti and had their version of maxwell coming to launch this quickly. It is completely impossible.
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Evolving the GCN architecture to be more effective and use less power is an obvious choice, it just makes sense. And it also made sense some time ago when they started working on "Tonga" ...

Nothing to do with Maxwell, they just seem to have made similar choices this time around ...
 
I don't think we can really say what'll be better in terms of performance. It does seem like Nvidia/AMD are trying to get the power consumption in check so we don't all need to setup a 2nd nuclear generator at our houses.
 
tollingalong said:
I don't think we can really say what'll be better in terms of performance. It does seem like Nvidia/AMD are trying to get the power consumption in check so we don't all need to setup a 2nd nuclear generator at our houses.
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I like high power consumption cards .... It's an indicator of high performance. Like a dragster. I would like a card that consumes massive amounts of power and takes 4 8 pins and runs @ 90c all day with framerates in the 100s all maxed out in games like Crysis 3 etc.
 
I/O said:
I like high power consumption cards .... It's an indicator of high performance. Like a dragster. I would like a card that consumes massive amounts of power and takes 4 8 pins and runs @ 90c all day with framerates in the 100s all maxed out in games like Crysis 3 etc.
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Is it just me or is this whole power thing greatly over exaggerated? For laptops sure, it makes sense, and maybe OH MAYBE Tonga could make it's way to mobile, but for the desktop I wouldn't worry too much about it. For a consumer like me Tonga means alot of graphics performance for cheap as long as you keep the resolution at 1080p. Hence, I'm quite interested in it as a potential purchase.
 
NUSNA_Moebius said:
Is it just me or is this whole power thing greatly over exaggerated? For laptops sure, it makes sense, and maybe OH MAYBE Tonga could make it's way to mobile, but for the desktop I wouldn't worry too much about it. For a consumer like me Tonga means alot of graphics performance for cheap as long as you keep the resolution at 1080p. Hence, I'm quite interested in it as a potential purchase.
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I would say so. I guess to some saving 13cents on their power bill is more important to them than high framerates.
 
NUSNA_Moebius said:
Is it just me or is this whole power thing greatly over exaggerated? For laptops sure, it makes sense, and maybe OH MAYBE Tonga could make it's way to mobile, but for the desktop I wouldn't worry too much about it. For a consumer like me Tonga means alot of graphics performance for cheap as long as you keep the resolution at 1080p. Hence, I'm quite interested in it as a potential purchase.
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The problem is this architecture also has to work for compute customers and compute customers care tremendously about power consumption. Data centers revolve around it.
 
EightySix Four said:
The problem is this architecture also has to work for compute customers and compute customers care tremendously about power consumption. Data centers revolve around it.
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Well I suppose that's true. I guess I forgot considering all the news revolves around it being used as graphics card. Has AMD even been successful in commercial compute with GPUs beyond Bitcoin?
 
Moving from a 384-bit bus to 256.... *sigh* Bleh!

I'd only be interested if it somehow used half the electricity or something...
 
Sounds like this is competition for the 870. Maybe some efficiency improvements to get it faster than the 280X (at lower res) and $249?
 
Seems like a wimpy card to me if the rumors are true. The only plus I see is no crossfire bridge....But then again 2GB of memory isn't much to play with.
 
If the card is meant for the single-monitor 1080p gamer that doesn't care about silly Ultra settings, then 2GB VRAM is perfect.
 
NUSNA_Moebius said:
Is it just me or is this whole power thing greatly over exaggerated? For laptops sure, it makes sense, and maybe OH MAYBE Tonga could make it's way to mobile, but for the desktop I wouldn't worry too much about it. For a consumer like me Tonga means alot of graphics performance for cheap as long as you keep the resolution at 1080p. Hence, I'm quite interested in it as a potential purchase.
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If the power consumption is on-par with Pitcairn, it's pretty much 100% sure to come to mobile.
 
tollingalong said:
It's the heat that ultimately matters the most. Try OCing a 290 on air and see how it feels. I didn't like the 110C temps.
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what , say a 100watts of amd power is hotter than a 100watts of nv power wow did not know that,

maybe amd should make space heaters , put a 100 watts in and get 300 watts out of heat . amd's money problems solved.
 
rgallant said:
what , say a 100watts of amd power is hotter than a 100watts of nv power wow did not know that,
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idd it is
(Hawaii vs GK-110)

100W from smaller cheap will lead to higher temps for two reasons:

  • heat capacity of bigger chip is bigger than heat capacity of smaller chip, leading to smaller temp delta
  • bigger die area means better conductivity, means easier to cool
 
Power efficiency is a big deal to those of us who have to deal with high heat and nasty electric bills.
I also can't stand loud fan noise... power use = heat = fans.
 
Blue_Max said:
Power efficiency is a big deal to those of us who have to deal with high heat and nasty electric bills.
I also can't stand loud fan noise... power use = heat = fans.
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In laptops I'd agree and that's why I bought a Maxwell. Power efficiency is not the top priority of enthusiasts who will generally buy desktops. We care about performance.

If you guys care about 10% more power in the same thermal envelope that's your opinion. I'm cheap but I'll splurge on good hardware if it gives me noticeable performance.
 
MentalIlness said:
http://fudzilla.com/home/item/35382-amd-tonga-gpu-comes-as-radeon-r9-285

Our sources confirm that the name of upcoming Tonga PRO based graphics cards is pretty much carved in stone, although the boxes have not been printed yet. Graphics cards based on the Tonga GPU are being manufactured as we speak.
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So the boxes are not printed yet?

😉

....then I don't believe these cards will be called R9 285X.

Same number of stream processors as R9 280X, but significantly narrower memory bus?

I'll bet it gets called R9 275X or something else instead.
 
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