Fry's E2xxx/E4xxx Bundle Overclocking Thread

[quadomatic]

NOTE: No one is responsible for any damage caused by following any of this information. Doing these mods will void your warranty, so USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!

GUIDE HERE: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=2151106&STARTPAGE=1

I thought it might be a good idea to devote a thread to overclocking E2xxx and E4xxx processors on the ECS 945GCT-M motherboards.

I know that the motherboard is limited to only doing volt mods and bsel mods on the processors, but I figure there are a lot of people with questions about this stuff.

Here are some links taken from the E2180/945GCT-M thread that may be useful.

Contributed by disastinator

I have the E2200 running OCCT stable at 2926MHz @ 1.55v on an Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2 board. I did the BSEL mod first and the system wouldn't boot into Windows so I went for broke and did the 1.55v volt mod (the 1.55v was simple and within the max spec for the CPU). With a Tuniq 120 my idle temp is 30C and full load at 60C. CoreTemp 0.96.1 reports Tj.Max at 85C. With C1E enabled, the system is at 1600 MHz most of the time and temp is 13C.

You may want to do the BSEL mod first and see if the ECS mobo would be stable with it at stock Vcore. If not and if you have the patience (I didn't) you may want to try the 1.4v mod first (which like the the 1.55v mod is also simple - only two lands to connect).

BSEL Mod
Look for: "800 -> 1066 FSB Mod"

Voltage Mod
Warning: The mod positions are correct but the the CPU arrow on the diagrams is reversed.

You may also want to download and read the relevant pages of the Intel Data Sheet to understand exactly what you are doing and verify that the mods are correct.

The voltage mod changes the maximum default voltage of the processor.

Another 1066 fsb BSEL Mod semi-guide

Picture of successful 1066 fsb BSEL mod (on an E4300, but to my understanding, the same pins should be connected for all others. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong!!!):
http://i100.photobucket.com/al...kninja/success1xz8.jpg

What to use to do the BSEL mod

I had some trouble figuring this one out. Radioshack no longer sells conductive ink pens, so that was out. Most auto part stores actually do sell rear window defogger kits for less than $10. Some auto part shops that I know sell them are Autozone, Advanced Auto Parts, Napa Auto Parts, and Pep Boys.

__________________________________

If anyone has more to add or questions, please post, and hopefully more knowledgeable people will answer.

I've purchased all of my components, but I still need to assemble my system. I'll get to that soon, but I'll need to find what to use to make the circuits. Radioshack discontinued the Circuitwriter pen, so that's a no go. I'll look around my house for a defogger repair kit, but that may not pan out.

How much is a defogger repair kit? Where can I buy one? Does anyone else have any other suggestions on what to use for a circuit. Some people suggested aluminum, but others have told me that using aluminum would be bad, and I'm not sure what aluminum they recommended I use.

 

[larciel]

I like your idea very much!

I have G31 ECS board (another Fry's selection) along with E4300. I can't go past 230mhz FSB. I will try the BSEL mod. It's been several years since I had my hands on a conductive pen.. can't wait

 

[quadomatic]

Originally posted by: larciel
I like your idea very much!

I have G31 ECS board (another Fry's selection) along with E4300. I can't go past 230mhz FSB. I will try the BSEL mod. It's been several years since I had my hands on a conductive pen.. can't wait

any advice on where to get a conductive ink pen? Preferrably B&M. I tried multiple Radioshacks, which either told me it has been discontinued, or told me they've never heard of it.

Radioshack.com says its discontinued too.

Also, any advice on whether I should do the 1.4v mod first, or not do a mod at all at first, and then test, or whether I should just go straight to 1.55v. Any reason why I shouldn't go straight to 1.55v?

Thanks

 

[larciel]

http://www.mcminone.com/produc...=datafeeds&ATT=froogle

That site is very reliable. Used to order bunch of panaflos from them back in the days.

Since even ebay doesn't have many c-pens, I doubt local BM stores will have it. how much was it at radioshack before it went out?

Upping voltage should depend on your HSF.

I was going to go for fSB mod w/out volt, and then if it doesn't work, start from 1.4v and on.

 

[quadomatic]

Does anyone know whether I can pick up a rear window defogger kit at a department store? Does Target or Meijer sell them? How much would it cost?

 

[watek]

Hey quad.

You can try Pep boys. Got mine there, or any local auto parts store. Make sure you get the one with the copper bottle.

Around $12-15, don't remember .

 

[quadomatic]

K, thx. I'll look around. I'm not sure if I still have a pep boys near me, but there's probably another store nearby.

I have a napa auto parts store near me apparently.

They sell a rear window defogger repair kit for $8.99. Not bad! Too bad its a bit far, but it's not a big deal.

 

[aigomorla]

LOL...


ive gotten some crazy chips at frys, if i dont like the bin, i ask the person nicely to see if they have any other, and 80% of the time they exchange it for another bin if they have it.

Seriously crazy crazy chips. The Board is practically FREE, when you get a good combo deal.

I have 4 ECS boards unopened still in box sitting in my closet.


If you want to overclock, and have fun overclocking, new board FTW!.

 

[quadomatic]

Cool, Advance Auto Parts sells the defogger repair kit too ($9.88), and its only 4 minutes away from me.

http://www.permatex.com/produc...efogger_Repair_Kit.htm

I'm assuming that's the one everyone bought. Either that or they bought this one:

http://www.permatex.com/produc...efogger_Repair_Kit.htm

The compound is the same in both of them. I read the data sheet, and it looks like it's silver and some ethylene and stuff. I guess everyone thought it was copper, but it's just copper colored.

 

[userkc]

I had the E2200 combo. And below is the report I listed on the other subject about my testing.


http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear


I also bought the Frys' E2200 combo. The combo works right off the bat. It was pretty decent in performance and much better than the BE2300 combo I got two days earlier. I subsequently return the BE2300 combo after the comparision.

Not only I compare the speed of booting and program execution, I also compare the power consumptions. I just run the combo in a barebone stage. just with a sata drive and 2GB of ram attached. From the power consumption point of view, the idle power I see on the BE2300 combo can be as low as mid-40W ( total system power from the AC line ). Peak power draws in the 80-90W.

The E2200 @ stock idle around 50W and peak power around 80-90W also.

Well, I don't buy the E2200 for stock performance. I want to get much out of the combo. Unfortunately, the 945GCT motherboard has no overclocking options. The previous E2140-P4M900T combo has the overclocking option. My lightly overclocked E2140 ( 2.2G Hz) combo so far has out-performed the E2200 in stock. Not much but noticeble. I guess it may contribute to the FSB increase.

Anyhow, I did the BSEL mod and the E2200 runs at 2.96G without much issue. The BIOS barfed at the incompatibility of the speed and the chip but boot continues. The cpuz, OCCT is showing the chip running at 2.9G and FSB at 1066. Super-pi 1M less than 23 seconds. Power consumption of the bare system has jumped to 56W and the peak power now approach 100W. I only wish they allow some degree of overclocking in the bios.
I have not find the right tool for the core temperature measurement. the core-temp 0.96 is showing <30c. I am not sure how much I can trust that with only the stock fan on my overclocked E2200.

Anyway, that's is pretty much what I have tested the combo so far.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: userkc
I have not find the right tool for the core temperature measurement. the core-temp 0.96 is showing <30c. I am not sure how much I can trust that with only the stock fan on my overclocked E2200.

That's a pretty good temp. Are you using the half-height heatsink that came with the E2200? Or a full-size stock heatsink?

 

[userkc]

Yes, the heat sink that comes with the E2200 is the short tiny one. And I don't think the core temp 0.96 is reading right. On the other hand, I wasn't really pushing the OCCT. I have yet let it run wild for hours yet.

I just ran the pc with my normal tasks like Vmplayer, spreadsheets and firefox at the same time. That is a relatively light load on the CPU.

 

[quadomatic]

Originally posted by: userkc
I had the E2200 combo. And below is the report I listed on the other subject about my testing.


http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear


I also bought the Frys' E2200 combo. The combo works right off the bat. It was pretty decent in performance and much better than the BE2300 combo I got two days earlier. I subsequently return the BE2300 combo after the comparision.

Not only I compare the speed of booting and program execution, I also compare the power consumptions. I just run the combo in a barebone stage. just with a sata drive and 2GB of ram attached. From the power consumption point of view, the idle power I see on the BE2300 combo can be as low as mid-40W ( total system power from the AC line ). Peak power draws in the 80-90W.

The E2200 @ stock idle around 50W and peak power around 80-90W also.

Well, I don't buy the E2200 for stock performance. I want to get much out of the combo. Unfortunately, the 945GCT motherboard has no overclocking options. The previous E2140-P4M900T combo has the overclocking option. My lightly overclocked E2140 ( 2.2G Hz) combo so far has out-performed the E2200 in stock. Not much but noticeble. I guess it may contribute to the FSB increase.

Anyhow, I did the BSEL mod and the E2200 runs at 2.96G without much issue. The BIOS barfed at the incompatibility of the speed and the chip but boot continues. The cpuz, OCCT is showing the chip running at 2.9G and FSB at 1066. Super-pi 1M less than 23 seconds. Power consumption of the bare system has jumped to 56W and the peak power now approach 100W. I only wish they allow some degree of overclocking in the bios.
I have not find the right tool for the core temperature measurement. the core-temp 0.96 is showing <30c. I am not sure how much I can trust that with only the stock fan on my overclocked E2200.

Anyway, that's is pretty much what I have tested the combo so far.

Did you do a volt mod? What did you use to do the bsel mod?

Thanks

 

[userkc]

No, I did not do any volt mod, just the BSEL. Keep in mind that I have not truely stress the system.

I have a small piece of copper tape with conductive adhesive, that I took from work. So far, copper tape has been working reliable for me for months on my E2140.

 

[watek]

When you stress the cpu, you will notice problems

 

[quadomatic]

Originally posted by: userkc
No, I did not do any volt mod, just the BSEL. Keep in mind that I have not truely stress the system.

I have a small piece of copper tape with conductive adhesive, that I took from work. So far, copper tape has been working reliable for me for months on my E2140.

No volt mod and you're still stable? I'll probably just do the volt mod, since most people have had problems without it. I have a Cooler Master HyperTX2 ready, so I'll still be able to keep it relatively cool.

 

[quadomatic]

The E2200+ECS 945GCT-M/1333 bundle is back at Fry's for $78.99.

http://www.netaffilia.com/ad/e.../2008/01/25/29649.html

 

[Cucoo]

I have E2180, E4300, and E2200. I can get to 1333 on E2180 and E4300, but not E2200. Here are the results of the BSEL and Volts mod.

I am can BSEL mod E2180 and E4300 to 1333 FSB using Shamino method. 1333 FSB Mod. This is using the MSI P6N mainboard. I have not able to get the ECS 945GCT-M/1333 (V3.0) to recognize either of the 1333 modded E4300 or E2180 as 1333.

For E4300, no volts mod is needed. I am running E4300 at 3.0 GHz on stock voltage. Stabled. Orthos, Prime95, and Super PI at the same time for 18 hours. Using stock HSF, CoreTemp0.96.1 shows 73C max on 100C Tjunction.

For E2180, I have to do a 1.5 volt mod to get it run at 1333 or 3.33 GHz. Use the 1.35V default and mod it to 1.55V. Voltage Mod. Orthos, Prime95, and SuperPI at the same times for 16 14 hours. Using Ninja HSF, CoreTemp0.96.1 shows 66c max on 85C Tjunction.

For E2200, I cannot get it to run at 1333. To get it to run at 1066 or 2.93 GHz, I also have to do volt mod to 1.55V using the 1.35V default (link above). I am using a different 1066 mod than most linked around here. 1066 FSB Mod by jmsandrsn. CoreTemp 0.96.1 shows surprisingly cool temperature, around 20C idle and 45C full load. However, I cannot get it stable. Orthos sometimes failed within 10 minutes or run for more than 4 hours before erred out again.

The ECS 945GCT-M/1333 (V3.0) has no problem running the 1066 modded CPU. However, I cannot get it to recognize the 1333 modded CPU, although the CPU worked fine on the MSI P6N board.
<Has anyone able to get the ECS 945GCT-M/1333 (V3.0) to recognize any of the 1333 modded CPU? I've flashed it with the latest BIOS, but still a no go.

Any suggestion?

 

[larciel]

I've heard that ECS board has some protection that disables modded FSB and get it back to factory stock settings.

It is confirmed on the ecs 945gct-m board. I haven't tried it on my G31 board yet

 

[formulav8]

To bad there are no Frys on the East Cost near Columbia

I actually got my Conductive Pen at Radio Shack a couple to few months ago. I of course can't find it now since my wife has put her hand to so-called 'cleaning' up. If I remember correctly it was simple called: "Circuit Writer" or something like that. I don't remember seeing any specific brand name. Otherwise I have no other info at this time.


Jason

 

[htne]

I just failed with the E2200 and ECS 945GCT-M/1333 combo. I performed the BSEL mod for 1066 FSB, and the voltage mod for 1.55 volts. Both mods are confirmed working. In the CMOS setup, I see the CPU voltage as 1.488, and during the POST the BIOS complains about the cpu (266 versus 200 mhz). This will not complete an XP install. I can boot the XP cd, partition and format the hard drive, copy the XP install files, reboot, start from "39 minutes" and at "34 minutes" the system will spontaneously reboot. I tried this 3 times, even burnt a new, fresh copy of the install cd, just in case. Craps out every time at 34 minutes. Oh, yeah, I'm using a Sunbeam Silent Whisper HSF (very similar to the Arctic Cooling 7 Pro), and the cpu temperature in CMOS is showing 40 degrees. Trying to overclock this cpu to 2926 mhz on this motherboard is going to be a very "iffy" proposition.

On EDIT: I pulled the cpu, cleaned off the conductive paint with alcohol, cleaned off the heat sink compound, re-installed the cpu with the original equipment HSF (man, does that thing seem tiny!), and am now on my way at 2200 mhz. The install is now past the "34 minutes" marker, and all is well.

 

[Cucoo]

htne,

Sorry to hear the 1066 mod is not working out for you.

When I did mine, I already had WinXP on the hard drive. I just swapped the CPU. You may want to try the mod again after WinXP is completely installed. Good luck.

 

[htne]

Originally posted by: Cucoo
htne,

Sorry to hear the 1066 mod is not working out for you.

When I did mine, I already had WinXP on the hard drive. I just swapped the CPU. You may want to try the mod again after WinXP is completely installed. Good luck.

Well, thanks for the thought, but if it isn't stable enough to get through an XP install, then it definitely isn't stable enough for everyday use. I like to overclock, but only while retaining 100% stability.

 

[quadomatic]

Originally posted by: formulav8
To bad there are no Frys on the East Cost near Columbia

I actually got my Conductive Pen at Radio Shack a couple to few months ago. I of course can't find it now since my wife has put her hand to so-called 'cleaning' up. If I remember correctly it was simple called: "Circuit Writer" or something like that. I don't remember seeing any specific brand name. Otherwise I have no other info at this time.


Jason

Yeah, it's called CircuitWriter. However, Radioshack discontinued that recently. Your best bet will be to find an auto parts store, and pick up a rear window defogger kit. They sell for $10 or less.

Wow, looks like quite a few of you are having trouble with this BSEL mod...hopefully I have better luck. I still haven't opened the motherboard yet. Maybe I should sell it...?

 

[quadomatic]

I just picked up a rear window defogger kit and some PVC electric tape. I just have some last few questions before I do a 1.55v mod and BSEL mod to 1066 on my E2200 to use in the ECS 945GCT-M (3.0).

Does this picture match what I would need to do for 1.55v and 1066fsb bsel mod on the E2200?:

http://img147.imageshack.us/im...7428/bseland155ni9.jpg

Also, how should I apply the defogger kit fluid? Should I use the brush that came with it? Others have said to use a toothpick, but I'm not sure.

Hopefully I'll have success with this.