Froyo vs iOS 4 at eWeek: Are pundits this clueless?

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http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...t-Match-iOS-4-Features-10-Reasons-Why-824283/

My comments added in bold.

1. Google isn't so big on software

Google's real plan with Android is to dominate the mobile advertising space. It fully realizes that the best way to achieve that goal is by doing whatever it can to capitalize on the desire for touch-screen smartphones with the help of Android. That's precisely why Google offers its operating system for free. But despite this focus on mobile-advertising dominance, Google falls short compared with Apple on software design.

2. Apple understands consumers

Apple understands what consumers want and how they will use a particular product. That comes through in all the products the company sells, including its iOS platform. Google, on the other hand, doesn't seem to understand consumers as well as it could. It's certainly doing a better job than most companies, but it still has a long way to go to match Apple. In fact, Google's consumer understanding seems to be more Microsoft-like than Apple-like. And that could be a problem—especially for its operating system—down the line.

3. Multitasking

Multitasking on iOS is a key reason why Apple has enjoyed such success in the mobile market. For years, consumers were hoping for true multitasking; for years, the company made no promises. But in iOS 4, multitasking is running on the iPhone. Because of that, Google has a long way to go to match anything Apple is currently offering.

Are you serious? Apple is late the party with multi-tasking, and even half-assed it in iOS4. WinMo, WebOS, and Android have all had true multi-tasking for a long time. People griped about this distinct shortcoming on early version of iPhone OS.

4. Folders make it all OK

Apple's iOS platform is better than Android 2.2 for several major reasons. But one of the minor things that consumers should think about is Apple's operating system's folder support. With little effort, consumers can quickly create folders, lump similar programs together, and more. It provides a rewarding experience. And it's a concept that Google has to play catch-up with. Another load of crap from eWeek. Again, Apple was late to the game on this pretty obvious feature.

5. Ease of use must come into play

In any evaluation between two operating systems, ease of use must play a role. After all, if a particular operating system is easier to use for the average consumer than is another, it should get the nod. In this case, iOS 4 easily gets the nod–Apple's operating system is simply easier to use. What's more, it doesn't suffer from the strange quirks that arise on Android due to vendors trying to tailor the user experience to their own products.

While Android is pretty easy to use, there's definitely an issue with every vendor trying to customize it and load it up with their own crud.

6. Responsiveness

One of the main issues with Android 2.2 is that the software doesn't respond as effectively as it should when compared with iOS. Does that mean there is a responsiveness issue with Android 2.2? Absolutely not. In fact, compared with other operating systems, it holds up quite well. But Apple's platform is different. It's just that iOS simply provides more responsiveness when users interact with it. It could be extremely difficult for Google match that any time soon.

Baloney. Yes, Froyo will struggle when paired with entry level hardware, the cheaper, low end smart phones. Pair Android with even antiquated OMAP3430s in the D1 and Android runs like a champ. As SoC design moves forward, this be even less of a non issue.

7. Too many variations

Because Android is an open platform, vendors that get their hands on the operating system can change it however they see fit. That openness creates an environment across the Android ecosystem that loses uniformity and provides variations of the Android operating system on different phones. The result is sometimes spotty performance that must be taken into account when evaluating differences between iOS and Android.

This argument always makes me laugh. Since when did having a choice come to mean a bad thing? With Android, you have a plethora of options, large screens, small screens, keyboards, no keyboards, etc. This may come as a shock, but not everyone wants their Model T in black.

8. Apple's App Store

Apple's App Store is integral to the success of iOS 4. With hundreds of thousands of applications, Apple's marketplace is the best place to find programs that appeal to both consumers and enterprise customers. Admittedly, Google's Android Market has been growing at a rapid rate, but it has a long way to go to match Apple's store.

Android Market has 100,000 apps in it now, easily rivaling Apple's product. No idea how I'll sleep at night though, without my 75,000 fart apps.

9. iTunes integration

Whenever users pick up an iOS-based device, they can access iTunes from the product. That's extremely important. It provides them with an end-to-end entertainment experience that isn't so readily available on Android. After all, iTunes is the world's top music store. If only Apple's products have direct access to it, few could make the case that Google's offering can best Apple's.

iTunes? AmazonMP3, problem solved.

10. The tablet issue

Google has said that Android 2.2 is not designed for tablets. Apple doesn't have that issue with iOS 4. Currently, iOS 3 is running on the iPad. But this month, Apple plans to offer iOS 4 integration with its tablet. When that happens, the company will prove that its operating system is the best choice for just about anyone trying to go mobile. Then the onus will be on Google to respond.
I realize this is an article about Froyo only, but Gingerbread will bring tablet optimizations. There's also several implementations of Froyo on tablets which have been decent.

Conclusion? eWeek is a bunch of morons who don't bother to do any research on their articles.
 

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http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...t-Match-iOS-4-Features-10-Reasons-Why-824283/

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Conclusion? eWeek is a bunch of morons who don't bother to do any research on their articles.

its like that with a lot of sites. They will only print what Apple or some other vendor spews at them. Or they have one "Apple Editor" who is probably a 20 year old intern who just happens to have an iPhone.

It just makes me add them to my list of "don't care about anything they publish" websites. Washington Post, Engadget and Gizmodo have all made that list. Looks like eWeek gets to join them.
 

Oyeve

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Well, Apple users definately don't want to think. They let Steve do the thinking and dictating for them. That article just proves thats. iSheep, they should all croak. Leave Android to the real thinkers and users.
 

QueBert

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LOL you think because of the number of apps the Market has it easily rivals Apples store? I suppose if you're talking strictly numbers sure. But the quality is like using 512k DSL vs 10mb cable. It's not a content, I own both and anyone who thinks the Market is equal, or even close to being close is a hater, blind or a total retard.
 

cheezy321

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You apologize for every android shortcoming.

You over-react about every apple shortcoming.

You are no different from the eweek article.
 

Anubis

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LOL you think because of the number of apps the Market has it easily rivals Apples store? I suppose if you're talking strictly numbers sure. But the quality is like using 512k DSL vs 10mb cable. It's not a content, I own both and anyone who thinks the Market is equal, or even close to being close is a hater, blind or a total retard.

yes you are right there are no where as many fart aps on the android market
 

QueBert

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yes you are right there are no where as many fart aps on the android market

I don't have a single fart app on my iOS device, but I have hundreds of others. The quality is like going from a McDouble at McDonalds to a burger at Mortons. I just did a search on my Droid, it looks like the Market has over 100 fart apps, so your point is kind of voided. Sure Apple has more, but they have BETTER apps overall, and Android still has a shitton of fart apps. And the lovely thing about the App store, you don't have to download fart apps because they have everything else too.
 

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Well, Apple users definately don't want to think. They let Steve do the thinking and dictating for them. That article just proves thats. iSheep, they should all croak. Leave Android to the real thinkers and users.

Your post is so full of crap. I'm not saying some people don't blindly buy Apple products but there are plenty of smart people who made a conscious choice in selecting the iPhone (or other Apple product). Your post is typical of the anti-Apple vitriol that has become the norm on sites like Dailytech among a few others. I mean, just cause you don't like how someone else is spending their money you feel they should die?
 

Oyeve

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Your post is so full of crap. I'm not saying some people don't blindly buy Apple products but there are plenty of smart people who made a conscious choice in selecting the iPhone (or other Apple product). Your post is typical of the anti-Apple vitriol that has become the norm on sites like Dailytech among a few others. I mean, just cause you don't like how someone else is spending their money you feel they should die?

Yes, basically they should croak. But really, 99.9% of isheep don't know squat about their iProducts capabilities. They know that it turns on and does what Steve says it will do. This is why I make a fortune fixing Apple computers, the user know squat about why their comp just shat and kernel panicked. They just wipe out the comps and reinstall. I love Apple and Apple users, they make me tons of money. Your average iCrap user will only utilize 10% of what the iCant product can actually do that Steve doesnt want them to do.
 

Oyeve

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App store has better quality apps, I own both platforms and it's not even close. Android apps look and feel like they were made by amateurs, with a few exceptions. iOS apps have better UI's, load faster, and just feel better. Android apps aren't bad, but compared to Apple ones they're a lot less desirable. The gap's getting smaller, but there's still a lot of work to be done on UI's, as the Android apps almost all have incredibly poor sloppy looking UI's.

Thats because Apple only allows what they deem is worthy, Android is open and yes there is a tone of crap, but I would rather weed through a ton of crap than be on an OS that only lets me download what they think I want.
 

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Yes, basically they should croak. But really, 99.9% of isheep don't know squat about their iProducts capabilities. They know that it turns on and does what Steve says it will do. This is why I make a fortune fixing Apple computers, the user know squat about why their comp just shat and kernel panicked. They just wipe out the comps and reinstall. I love Apple and Apple users, they make me tons of money. Your average iCrap user will only utilize 10% of what the iCant product can actually do that Steve doesnt want them to do.

My douche meter is off the charts.
 

cheezy321

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Thats because Apple only allows what they deem is worthy, Android is open and yes there is a tone of crap, but I would rather weed through a ton of crap than be on an OS that only lets me download what they think I want.

Just wait till Verizon makes their own version of android and only lets you download what they want you to download. Its going to happen, its just a matter of time.

And before you say you can root it and do whatever you want, you can do the same thing on the iPhone. So that point is moot.
 

QueBert

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Thats because Apple only allows what they deem is worthy, Android is open and yes there is a tone of crap, but I would rather weed through a ton of crap than be on an OS that only lets me download what they think I want.

So what you're saying is you'd rather have a larger selection, even if the quality is far less. Just for the sake of having selection? Weed thru the crap and what's left will still be inferior. But if you're okay with inferior because you know Google's "open" I'm glad you're happy.



But then you wouldn't make all that money.

He was lying about how much $$$ he makes off Mac owners. Next to nobody owns a Mac, hell I live in an area with a high number of Mac owners compared to most places. And I've been fixing computers for my job for 10 years now. I've gotten maybe 30 Mac calls in 10 years. He's either lying or his definition of a lot of money isn't the same as mine.
 
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cheezy321

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Nah, more are born every minute. Plus, they are good to piss off. It makes my day. Good for a laugh.

Ironically I have had to get WAYYYY more PC's fixed than any of my macs. Only one of my macs has ever croaked, and that was the logic board on a macbook over 4 years ago.
 

Oyeve

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So what you're saying is you'd rather have a larger selection, even if the quality is far less. Just for the sake of having selection? Weed thru the crap and what's left will still be inferior. But if you're okay with inferior because you know Google's "open" I'm glad you're happy.





He was lying about how much $$$ he makes off Mac owners. Next to nobody owns a Mac, hell I live in an area with a high number of Mac owners compared to most places. And I've been fixing computers for my job for 10 years now. I've gotten maybe 30 Mac calls in 10 years. He's either lying or his definition of a lot of money isn't the same as mine.

no, I mean i'd rather have the option to install what I want than have someone dictate to me what I can or cannot have.

And I have been in the IT field for 30 years and my main client right now is 60% macs and 40% pc. I charge a much higher rate for Macs because, like all things apple, when something goes wrong it really goes wrong anf the average mac user, whether IT savvy or not, does not know what the hell to do.
 

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Yes, basically they should croak. But really, 99.9% of isheep don't know squat about their iProducts capabilities. They know that it turns on and does what Steve says it will do. This is why I make a fortune fixing Apple computers, the user know squat about why their comp just shat and kernel panicked. They just wipe out the comps and reinstall. I love Apple and Apple users, they make me tons of money. Your average iCrap user will only utilize 10% of what the iCant product can actually do that Steve doesnt want them to do.

You are just so angry sounding... did you trip on a PowerBook and break your leg? Did Steve Jobs piss on your lawn? Were you once Jonny Ive's neighbor, and man that guy would come over and borrow your tools all the time, and then when he finally did return them they were always dirty, and forget it if they were gas powered tools, never would return it with a full tank of gas...

Anyway, dial it down a notch, would you please.
 

Oyeve

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You are just so angry sounding... did you trip on a PowerBook and break your leg? Did Steve Jobs piss on your lawn? Were you once Jonny Ive's neighbor, and man that guy would come over and borrow your tools all the time, and then when he finally did return them they were always dirty, and forget it if they were gas powered tools, never would return it with a full tank of gas...

Anyway, dial it down a notch, would you please.

nah, I'm not angry. Like I said, I make tons off of Apple. I dont dilike their product. I use a 15" MBP as my main system all the time. Its just the mentality that anything Apple is as if it was from God. Its not, not even close. Neither is anything Android. My bias is towards the mental thinking, not the products.

Steve did step on my foot back in 1988 tho. :)
 

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Not only has the author seemingly never *used* an Android device, I'd be sorta surprised if he could even name one.
 

QueBert

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no, I mean i'd rather have the option to install what I want than have someone dictate to me what I can or cannot have.

And I have been in the IT field for 30 years and my main client right now is 60&#37; macs and 40% pc. I charge a much higher rate for Macs because, like all things apple, when something goes wrong it really goes wrong anf the average mac user, whether IT savvy or not, does not know what the hell to do.

Mac makes up like 5% of computer owners, so that 60% would equal what 15 people? Anyone who calls a tech to fix their computer doesn't know much. I hate to burst your bubble but the average computer owner period doesn't know shit. It doesn't matter if it's a Dell or an iMac. The fact I got 100 calls last month from a Windows XP owner who installed Win AntiVirus 2008 or something similar and can't use their computer is proof. If anything PC owners are probably more retarded because they install any and everything. Where Mac people tend to not even change their wallpaper, they use the computer exactly as it came from Apple. If I had to rely on my Mac client base to eat I would be lucky to have Ramen.
 
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Oyeve

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Mac makes up like 5&#37; of computer owners, so that 60% would equal what 15 people? Anyone who calls a tech to fix their computer doesn't know much. I hate to burst your bubble but the average computer owner period doesn't know shit. It doesn't matter if it's a Dell or an iMac. The fact I got 100 calls last month from a Windows XP owner who installed Win AntiVirus 2008 or something similar and can't use their computer is proof. If anything PC owners are probably more retarded because they install any and everything. Where Mac people tend to not even change their wallpaper, they use the computer exactly as it came from Apple.

The difference is that my clients are all programmers, analysts, Database and graphical engineers, they are all highend users, not secretaries running office apps. So, yes, I have over 70 mac users right now. All are on the latest state of the art workstations.

Also, the Mac user base is more like 10-12%. Its actually grown a tad for the last 10 or so years......kinda like when the ipod came out.
 

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I agree with most of your points, except these:


1. Another load of crap from eWeek. Again, Apple was late to the game on this pretty obvious feature.

2. Baloney. Yes, Froyo will struggle when paired with entry level hardware, the cheaper, low end smart phones. Pair Android with even antiquated OMAP3430s in the D1 and Android runs like a champ. As SoC design moves forward, this be even less of a non issue.

3. Android Market has 100,000 apps in it now, easily rivaling Apple's product. No idea how I'll sleep at night though, without my 75,000 fart apps.

4. iTunes? AmazonMP3, problem solved.

1. Does Android have folders? If I remember correctly it doesnt. I remember using a folders app, but it sucked bad. Aside from folders, iOS handles app management better on the home screen. On Android, if the screen is full, you have to move an app before you can put anything there. On iOS, its smart enough to do all of this in one step.

2. Without GPU acceleration (iOS/WP7 uses this), Android will never be as fast or responsive. Android phones would need a dual core SOC to match the same performance you can get from a GPU.

3. Isn't the Apple App store close to 300,000 apps now? That's besides the point, what I'm getting at is that Android apps aren't even close to rivaling the quality of iOS apps. Android fans like to bring up fart apps, but the fact is that Android apps is a fastfood burger, while iOS apps is a filet mignon.

4. True. Aside from music though, iTunes is a one stop shop for syncing. Photos, notes, books, contacts, apps, calendar. If you have iPhoto, syncing/management of photos is phenomenal. Geotagging, face tagging, albums, events, all of this syncs to your iPhone.
 
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