From the "sToP cAlLiNg uS nAzIs" folks: The MAGA Influencers Rehabilitating Hitler

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Right wing influencers like Carlson And Owens are very busy repainting Hitler as the good guy...


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“The story we got about World War II is all wrong,” a guest told Tucker Carlson on his podcast two weeks ago. “I think that’s right,” replied Carlson. The guest, a Cornell chemistry professor named David Collum, then spelled out what he meant: “One can make the argument we should have sided with Hitler and fought Stalin.” Such sentiments might sound shocking to the uninitiated, but they are not to Carlson’s audience. In fact, the notion that the German dictator was unfairly maligned has become a running theme on Carlson’s show—and beyond.
Last September, Carlson interviewed a man named Darryl Cooper, whom he dubbed “the most important popular historian working in the United States today.” Cooper’s conception of honest history soon became clear: He suggested that British Prime Minister Winston Churchill might have been “the chief villain of the Second World War,” with Nazi Germany at best coming in second. The day after the episode aired, Cooper further downplayed Hitler’s genocidal ambitions, writing on social media that the German leader had sought peace with Europe and merely wanted “to reach an acceptable solution to the Jewish problem.” He did not explain why the Jews should have been considered a “problem” in the first place.
“What is it about Hitler? Why is he the most evil?” the far-right podcaster Candace Owens asked in July 2024. “The first thing people would say is: ‘Well, an ethnic cleansing almost took place.’ And now I offer back: ‘You mean like we actually did to the Germans.’” A repeat guest on Carlson’s show, Owens defended him after his conversation with Cooper. “Many Americans are learning that WW2 history is not as black and white as we were taught and some details were purposefully omitted from our textbooks,” she wrote on X.
These Reich rehabilitators are not fringe figures. Carlson’s show ranks among the top podcasts in America. He spoke before President Donald Trump on the final night of the 2024 Republican National Convention, and his son serves as a deputy press secretary to Vice President J. D. Vance, who owes his office in part to Carlson’s advocacy. Owens has millions of followers on YouTube, Instagram, and X, and over the past six months, she has been interviewed by some of the nation’s most popular podcasters, including the comedian Theo Von and the ESPN personality Stephen A. Smith. Her output has attained sufficient notoriety that she is currently being sued by French President Emmanuel Macron and his wife, Brigitte, over her repeated claims that the French first lady was actually born a man. Cooper, the would-be World War II revisionist, publishes the top-selling history newsletter on the entire Substack platform.
Yair Rosenberg: The anti-Semitic revolution on the American right
Why does a potent portion of the American right seek to rehabilitate Hitler? The Nazi apologetics are partly an attention-seeking attempt at provocation—an effort to signal iconoclasm by transgressing one of society’s few remaining taboos. But there is more to the story than that. Carlson and his fellow travelers on the far right correctly identify the Second World War as a pivot point in America’s understanding of itself and its attitude toward its Jewish citizens. The country learned hard lessons from the Nazi Holocaust about the catastrophic consequences of conspiratorial prejudice. Today, a growing constituency on the right wants the nation to unlearn them.

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No matter how you slice it, these are some pretty fucked up people.

They have to be useful idiots, right? Right?!
Seeing people like Tom Homan and Steven Miller in the administration, I think there are plenty of genuine Nazis right in plain sight, and they are trying to spread their sick ideology. Meanwhile, Republicans are gobbling it right up like pigs at the trough.
 
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mikeymikec

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I wonder what pcgeek11 thinks of this.

Come on, you know the routine by now. The choices for such people are:

1) argue minutiae that's vaguely related to the topic
2) argue with someone else in the thread about some comment they made and steer clear of the topic as much as possible
3) dismiss topic as unimportant/irrelevant, maybe also laugh at other posters
4) adopt fence sitting position such as suggesting that a concluded trial's verdict would somehow have a bearing on their unstated opinion.
 

nakedfrog

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Come on, you know the routine by now. The choices for such people are:

1) argue minutiae that's vaguely related to the topic
2) argue with someone else in the thread about some comment they made and steer clear of the topic as much as possible
3) dismiss topic as unimportant/irrelevant, maybe also laugh at other posters
4) adopt fence sitting position such as suggesting that a concluded trial's verdict would somehow have a bearing on their unstated opinion.
Doesn't mean I can't be curious which tack he would take (but this is also why I didn't actually tag him)
 

brycejones

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Come on, you know the routine by now. The choices for such people are:

1) argue minutiae that's vaguely related to the topic
2) argue with someone else in the thread about some comment they made and steer clear of the topic as much as possible
3) dismiss topic as unimportant/irrelevant, maybe also laugh at other posters
4) adopt fence sitting position such as suggesting that a concluded trial's verdict would somehow have a bearing on their unstated opinion.
5) engage with the laugh emoji and nothing else.
 

rommelrommel

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No matter how you slice it, these are some pretty fucked up people.

They have to be useful idiots, right? Right?!

I think it’s a mix of people actually trying to rehabilitate fascism and a few shameless grifters that will say anything that pays attention the moment.

I do wish we had rolled back support of the Soviets in 1943 but there was a real chance of them making peace with Germany and allowing them to turn all their attention west if we didn’t keep Stalin happy.
 

ivwshane

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Come on, you know the routine by now. The choices for such people are:

1) argue minutiae that's vaguely related to the topic
2) argue with someone else in the thread about some comment they made and steer clear of the topic as much as possible
3) dismiss topic as unimportant/irrelevant, maybe also laugh at other posters
4) adopt fence sitting position such as suggesting that a concluded trial's verdict would somehow have a bearing on their unstated opinion.

It’s sad that we all know their routine. It’s the same shit every f-ing time!
 

fskimospy

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Come on, you know the routine by now. The choices for such people are:

1) argue minutiae that's vaguely related to the topic
2) argue with someone else in the thread about some comment they made and steer clear of the topic as much as possible
3) dismiss topic as unimportant/irrelevant, maybe also laugh at other posters
4) adopt fence sitting position such as suggesting that a concluded trial's verdict would somehow have a bearing on their unstated opinion.
Fascism will always be popular because fascism tells you that you’re special without having to do anything to earn it. The only reason it was suppressed for a generation was the world saw the horrors that fascism caused.

If you ask current conservatives about what parts of fascism they disagree with other than the camps they can’t come up with much.
 

Moonbeam

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I imagine the excuse will be 'well you called us Nazis so we figured we might as well be Nazis' as if there would be no other good reasons to... not be a fucking Nazi.
This happened to them because the Nazis that raised them despised their blessed innocence. It’s just their turn to spread the misery. This is how self hate propagates.
 

Jaskalas

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If you ask current conservatives about what parts of fascism they disagree with other than the camps they can’t come up with much.
Don't know if you noticed... but it is 2025 and MAGA Nazis are making and filling camps.
So your idea that they have any exceptions for Nazi Germany... is a bit dated.
 

Moonbeam

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Would someone please sit Candace Owens down and explain to her that Hitler would have sent her to a concentration camp.
Could it be that’s the knowledge that drives her Stockholm Syndrome, the desperation to pretend to be an exception rather that live in conscious fear? Consider if insanity might not be a refuge. It seems to explain a number of otherwise incomprehensible facts about the nature of irrationality.