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[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: damiano
I guess that I should add a line to the how do you know you live in california thread:

# PEOPLE THINK IT'S NORMAL TO CALL YOU FATHER DADDY AND YOUR MOTHER DADDY AS WELL !!!!

you people have been brainwashed by the modern gayism of our society.
i cannot believe that no one here is a little bit more traditional in that sense
or most probably too affraid to express their thoughts about it because of the fear of not fitting with the rest...

then great

I will marry a frog and have it breastfeed my adopted kid...and I guess that no one will have a problem with it because it makes me happy and that maybe will do a better job me and my frog to raise a kid than most degenerated "normal couples" because I found a really loving frog that will be be a great father (yeah, it's a gay frog) to our baby !!!

whatever then..... :Q

So basically you ignore anything we say, spout some BS, and claim your opinion is the only one that matters?

 

[TheCorm]

LOL yesterdays Simpsons suddenly came into my mind

Smithers: I'm glad my father died a hero, rather than that OTHER way
Burns: (snigger)...I told him that his father was killed in the amazon by a group of savage women......I hope it didn't effect you.....
Smithers: we'll never know sir.....we'll never know.

 

[Eli]

No, you have been brainwashed by your religious fanaticism.

It's discrimination, plain and simple. How can you have equal rights for blacks, whites, reds, yellows.. but not for gays?

It makes absolutely no sense, and people like you are what is wrong with the world today.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: damiano
ok
my time now.
Did you guys ever read Freud and the all the basics of our modern psychology?
specially during early stages of growth the parents' figure (father and mother) are very important:

The conflict, labeled the Oedipus complex (The Electra complex in women), involves the child's unconscious desire to possess the opposite-sexed parent and to eliminate the same-sexed one.
In the young male, the Oedipus conflict stems from his natural love for his mother, a love which becomes sexual as his libidal energy transfers from the anal region to his genitals. Unfortunately for the boy, his father stands in the way of this love. The boy therefore feels aggression and envy towards this rival, his father, and also feels fear that the father will strike back at him. As the boy has noticed that women, his mother in particular, have no penises, he is struck by a great fear that his father will remove his penis, too. The anxiety is aggravated by the threats and discipline he incurs when caught masturbating by his parents. This castration anxiety outstrips his desire for his mother, so he represses the desire. Moreover, although the boy sees that though he cannot posses his mother, because his father does, he can posses her vicariously by identifying with his father and becoming as much like him as possible: this identification indoctrinates the boy into his appropriate sexual role in life.


If you guys are unaware of that, a same sex parents couple can produce deep repercussions on the child's mental, psychological and emotional growth.

That is about the worst support of a position I have heard yet on these forums.

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: Eli
No, you have been brainwashed by your religious fanaticism.

It's discrimination, plain and simple. How can you have equal rights for blacks, whites, reds, yellows.. but not for gays?

It makes absolutely no sense, and people like you are what is wrong with the world today.

i don't care about GAY rights and if someone wants to put from the ruff, I dn't give a sh!t
i just do not think it is right for a kid to be raised by two men or two women
that' it!
and just as a note I am not that religous

 

[Jzero]

you people have been brainwashed by the modern gayism of our society.

Apparently it's better to be brainwashed by "modern gayism" than "archaic Freudianism."

i cannot believe that no one here is a little bit more traditional in that sense
or most probably too affraid to express their thoughts about it because of the fear of not fitting with the rest...

Gays getting married doesn't affect me one bit, so why would it bother me?
And until someone can provide actual case studies where a child raised by gay parents is any more or less fvcked up than any kid raised by straight or single parents, I'm not buying it. I'm an intelligent, educated, thinking, reasoning person. I don't form my beliefs and ideas on unfounded, unproven fears and superstitions.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Eli
No, you have been brainwashed by your religious fanaticism.

It's discrimination, plain and simple. How can you have equal rights for blacks, whites, reds, yellows.. but not for gays?

It makes absolutely no sense, and people like you are what is wrong with the world today.

Be careful when you say it's discrimination and that in and of itself is bad. Discrimination is not bad, and is very useful in making decisions in daily life. The way in which someone discriminates is key to your statement.

 

[Jzero]

and just as a note I am not that religous

That's a shame because at least you would have an excuse if you were.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: Eli
No, you have been brainwashed by your religious fanaticism.

It's discrimination, plain and simple. How can you have equal rights for blacks, whites, reds, yellows.. but not for gays?

It makes absolutely no sense, and people like you are what is wrong with the world today.

i don't care about GAY rights and if someone wants to put from the ruff, I dn't give a sh!t
i just do not think it is right for a kid to be raised by two men or two women
that' it!
and just as a note I am not that religous

Why not?

Seriously, tell me why? How could it be any more negative than a single parent household?

How could it be anymore negative than a fscked up "white trash" wife beater family?

You are trying to blanket your opinion over the whole gay society, and we all know that blanket statements don't work.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: damiano
I guess that I should add a line to the how do you know you live in california thread:

# PEOPLE THINK IT'S NORMAL TO CALL YOU FATHER DADDY AND YOUR MOTHER DADDY AS WELL !!!!

Way to lower the bar dipsh!t. I don't think anybody thinks it's normal and for your information there are just as many close minded bigots just like you in California than anywhere else in the States.

you people have been brainwashed by the modern gayism of our society.
i cannot believe that no one here is a little bit more traditional in that sense
or most probably too affraid to express their thoughts about it because of the fear of not fitting with the rest...

then great

Not having the proof to back up the traditional Religious BS that you spew doesn't mean we don't have reservations, it just means that we refuse to promote ignorance as our view. Post some evidence that validates your claim instead of your close minded religious bullsh!t and maybe you will find that some of us will agree with you. So far you have yet to do that.

I will marry a frog and have it breastfeed my adopted kid...and I guess that no one will have a problem with it because it makes me happy and that maybe will do a better job me and my frog to raise a kid than most degenerated "normal couples" because I found a really loving frog that will be be a great father (yeah, it's a gay frog) to our baby !!!

whatever then..... :Q

Ribbit!!

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: Eli
No, you have been brainwashed by your religious fanaticism.

It's discrimination, plain and simple. How can you have equal rights for blacks, whites, reds, yellows.. but not for gays?

It makes absolutely no sense, and people like you are what is wrong with the world today.

i don't care about GAY rights and if someone wants to put from the ruff, I dn't give a sh!t
i just do not think it is right for a kid to be raised by two men or two women
that' it!
and just as a note I am not that religous

Why not?

Seriously, tell me why? How could it be any more negative than a single parent household?

How could it be anymore negative than a fscked up "white trash" wife beater family?

You are trying to blanket your opinion over the whole gay society, and we all know that blanket statements don't work.

once again:
i do not have a problem with gays.
If one choses to be gay it's fine, even if I do not understand it, I accept it.
Now, I do not accept the fact that a child should have to grow in a gay family!
once again we are not here to say there are worse cases (wife beaters...etc...) this is another subject
if you chose to be gay, it's fine; the kid does not chose to be raised by gays, and I strongly believe that it is MUCH better for a child to be raised by a normal MOTHER AND FATHER !

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: Eli
No, you have been brainwashed by your religious fanaticism.

It's discrimination, plain and simple. How can you have equal rights for blacks, whites, reds, yellows.. but not for gays?

It makes absolutely no sense, and people like you are what is wrong with the world today.

i don't care about GAY rights and if someone wants to put from the ruff, I dn't give a sh!t
i just do not think it is right for a kid to be raised by two men or two women
that' it!
and just as a note I am not that religous

Why not?

Seriously, tell me why? How could it be any more negative than a single parent household?

How could it be anymore negative than a fscked up "white trash" wife beater family?

You are trying to blanket your opinion over the whole gay society, and we all know that blanket statements don't work.

once again:
i do not have a problem with gays.
If one choses to be gay it's fine, even if I do not understand it, I accept it.
Now, I do not accept the fact that a child should have to grow in a gay family!
once again we are not here to say there are worse cases (wife beaters...etc...) this is another subject
if you chose to be gay, it's fine; the kid does not chose to be raised by gays, and I strongly believe that it is MUCH better for a child to be raised by a normal MOTHER AND FATHER !

But, as even you agree there are a lot of heterosexual couples where one or both of them are not 'normal', I guess we should not allow anyone to have kids anymore, starting with you.

 

[Jzero]

But, as even you agree there are a lot of heterosexual couples where one or both of them are not 'normal', I guess we should not allow anyone to have kids anymore, starting with you.

Too late....

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Jzero

you people have been brainwashed by the modern gayism of our society.

Apparently it's better to be brainwashed by "modern gayism" than "archaic Freudianism."

i cannot believe that no one here is a little bit more traditional in that sense
or most probably too affraid to express their thoughts about it because of the fear of not fitting with the rest...

Gays getting married doesn't affect me one bit, so why would it bother me?
And until someone can provide actual case studies where a child raised by gay parents is any more or less fvcked up than any kid raised by straight or single parents, I'm not buying it. I'm an intelligent, educated, thinking, reasoning person. I don't form my beliefs and ideas on unfounded, unproven fears and superstitions.

Here's a study for you I just found.... not backing it one way or another.

Gay Parents = gay kids

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: Eli
No, you have been brainwashed by your religious fanaticism.

It's discrimination, plain and simple. How can you have equal rights for blacks, whites, reds, yellows.. but not for gays?

It makes absolutely no sense, and people like you are what is wrong with the world today.

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i don't care about GAY rights and if someone wants to put from the ruff, I dn't give a sh!t
i just do not think it is right for a kid to be raised by two men or two women
that' it!
and just as a note I am not that religous

Why not?

Seriously, tell me why? How could it be any more negative than a single parent household?

How could it be anymore negative than a fscked up "white trash" wife beater family?

You are trying to blanket your opinion over the whole gay society, and we all know that blanket statements don't work.

once again:
i do not have a problem with gays.
If one choses to be gay it's fine, even if I do not understand it, I accept it.
Now, I do not accept the fact that a child should have to grow in a gay family!
once again we are not here to say there are worse cases (wife beaters...etc...) this is another subject
if you chose to be gay, it's fine; the kid does not chose to be raised by gays, and I strongly believe that it is MUCH better for a child to be raised by a normal MOTHER AND FATHER !

That is your opinion, and that is fine.

But your opinion isn't supported by fact.

If your parents are loving and not abusive, why does it matter? Do you think the kid has any concept of "gay" and "straight"? I mean, come on... it doesen't make any sense.

If you lined a group of 5 people up, and 2 of them were raised by gay parents, do you honestly think you would be able to tell?

THINK.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Jzero

you people have been brainwashed by the modern gayism of our society.

Apparently it's better to be brainwashed by "modern gayism" than "archaic Freudianism."

i cannot believe that no one here is a little bit more traditional in that sense
or most probably too affraid to express their thoughts about it because of the fear of not fitting with the rest...

Gays getting married doesn't affect me one bit, so why would it bother me?
And until someone can provide actual case studies where a child raised by gay parents is any more or less fvcked up than any kid raised by straight or single parents, I'm not buying it. I'm an intelligent, educated, thinking, reasoning person. I don't form my beliefs and ideas on unfounded, unproven fears and superstitions.

Here's a study for you I just found.... not backing it one way or another.

Gay Parents = gay kids

It's more of a pseudo-study where after-the-fact analysis was provided on the results of other studies. However, this shouldn't convince anyone that gays shouldn't raise kids. Plenty of gay kids were raised by heterosexuals and single-parents, and I don't see anyone lashing out against them.

 

[damiano]

here is reasons then:

Six of the 25 children of lesbians had engaged in a same-sex relationship, compared to none of the 20 children from straight households.

this means you have more chances to be gay if you have gay parents

Boys from lesbian households were likely to be more chaste and less sexually adventurous than their counterparts from heterosexual households, while exactly the opposite was true of lesbians' daughters

this self explains

The new study by two University of Southern California sociologists says children with lesbian or gay parents show more empathy for social diversity, are less confined by gender stereotypes, and are probably more likely to explore homosexual activity themselves.

once again...more chances to be gay themselves

. Compared to the daughters of heterosexual mothers, the daughters of lesbians more frequently dress, play and behave in ways that do not conform to sex-typed cultural norms. They show greater interest in activities with both masculine and feminine qualities. They have higher aspirations to occupations that are not traditionally female.

these are all from serious research

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Jzero

you people have been brainwashed by the modern gayism of our society.

Apparently it's better to be brainwashed by "modern gayism" than "archaic Freudianism."

i cannot believe that no one here is a little bit more traditional in that sense
or most probably too affraid to express their thoughts about it because of the fear of not fitting with the rest...

Gays getting married doesn't affect me one bit, so why would it bother me?
And until someone can provide actual case studies where a child raised by gay parents is any more or less fvcked up than any kid raised by straight or single parents, I'm not buying it. I'm an intelligent, educated, thinking, reasoning person. I don't form my beliefs and ideas on unfounded, unproven fears and superstitions.

Here's a study for you I just found.... not backing it one way or another.

Gay Parents = gay kids

It doesen't matter. Who are you or I to say that it is wrong? Of course being raised by gay parents is going to change the way the kid grows up, but who are you to say that it is wrong? Of course they're going to be more open to experimentation, etc. Who are you to say that is wrong?

What is wrong with being more open minded?

You know what I think? I think you're a closet homophobe.

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Jzero

you people have been brainwashed by the modern gayism of our society.

Apparently it's better to be brainwashed by "modern gayism" than "archaic Freudianism."

i cannot believe that no one here is a little bit more traditional in that sense
or most probably too affraid to express their thoughts about it because of the fear of not fitting with the rest...

Gays getting married doesn't affect me one bit, so why would it bother me?
And until someone can provide actual case studies where a child raised by gay parents is any more or less fvcked up than any kid raised by straight or single parents, I'm not buying it. I'm an intelligent, educated, thinking, reasoning person. I don't form my beliefs and ideas on unfounded, unproven fears and superstitions.

Here's a study for you I just found.... not backing it one way or another.

Gay Parents = gay kids

It doesen't matter. Who are you or I to say that it is wrong? Of course being raised by gay parents is going to change the way the kid grows up, but who are you to say that it is wrong? Of course they're going to be more open to experimentation, etc. Who are you to say that is wrong?

What is wrong with being more open minded?

You know what I think? I think you're a closet homophobe.

i think he just believes like me that a kid should grow up in a NORMAL family and decide for himself later if he wants to be GAY...
not be enclined by gay parents to be gay himself !
what are you doing now ELI wanting all kids to be gay and produced be science so homosexual relationships are not necesasry anymore and just disapear
I think you are the one ELI who is heterophobe
edit: or a not out of the closet homo !

 

[Jzero]

these are all from serious research

It's hardly "serious" research to piggyback your own conclusions on someone else's studies.

Your "findings" are purely your analysis.

My analysis:
Sexual experimentation is a good thing. Our currently obsessed-with-sex-yet-oppressed-with-sex society does nothing healthy for us. People who experiment sexually aren't going to have that stick up their ass (no pun intended) the way so many people do now.

And further, I view girls aspiring to be football players, doctors and CEOs instead of teachers, secretaries and nurses as a "Good Thing."

Call me brainwashed if you want to.

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: Jzero

these are all from serious research

It's hardly "serious" research to piggyback your own conclusions on someone else's studies.

Your "findings" are purely your analysis.

My analysis:
Sexual experimentation is a good thing. Our currently obsessed-with-sex-yet-oppressed-with-sex society does nothing healthy for us. People who experiment sexually aren't going to have that stick up their ass (no pun intended) the way so many people do now.

And further, I view girls aspiring to be football players, doctors and CEOs instead of teachers, secretaries and nurses as a "Good Thing."

Call me brainwashed if you want to.

I have no problem with women succeding on the contrary
my wife is an architect and makes more money than me
that has nothing to do with this

my problem is that

why are you people trying to change the subject ?

 

[Jzero]

i think he just believes like me that a kid should grow up in a NORMAL family and decide for himself later if he wants to be GAY...
not be enclined by gay parents to be gay himself !

You blindly subscribe to the scientifically tenuous belief that homosexuality is a choice, not a natural inclination. It has not been proven either way.

what are you doing now ELI wanting all kids to be gay and produced be science so homosexual relationships are not necesasry anymore and just disapear

THE SKY IS FALLING!
Give up, chicken little. That is never going to happen. Remember my earlier comment about unfounded, unproven fears and superstitions?

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: Jzero

You blindly subscribe to the scientifically tenuous belief that homosexuality is a choice, not a natural inclination. It has not been proven either way.

Q]

so why do having gay parents makes that you have more chances to be gay yourself?

 

[Jzero]

why are you people trying to change the subject ?

Changing the subject? I posed a perfectly reasonable counter-analysis to your analysis of the article linked earlier in this thread.

 

[maziwanka]

wow. i cant believe someone posted this.