From roads to ruin, Baghdad gets back on track

[manowar821]

Wow, perfect timing! A perfect (fake) end to a (fake) war, right at the end of the (fake) administration!

You can't make this stuff up! Oh, wait, yes you can.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: winnar111

We can only congratulate our troops on a job well done, and a victory that would not have been possible had Barack Hussein Obama came into office a year before.

Baghdad has less violence than DC and Chicago nowadays.

Ignoring the idea that this war should not have happened to begin with, this war has been mismanaged from the highest levels down from day one. What congratulations are due and to whom? Certainly not anyone at the higher levels.

The grunts? They just do as they are told and do their job. We don't congratulate people for doing their job. If they don't they will be censured. Any action out of the ordinary merits a commendation or a medal.

 

[First]

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

Do you favor or oppose the U.S. war in Iraq? - May 07 just before the surge

Favor: 34%
Oppose: 65%

Do you favor or oppose the U.S. war in Iraq? - Today

Favor: 33%
Oppose: 64%

Success!

 

[alien42]

"Baghdad bomb attacks kill 19, mostly women"

"A bomb blast killed 13 female government employees on a bus on their way to work in eastern Baghdad on Monday, and a female suicide bomber killed five people outside Baghdad's Green Zone compound, police said.

A separate attack on a police patrol in the popular central shopping district of Karrada killed one man and wounded five people, police said.

The attacks were the latest in a series of explosions in the Iraqi capital, where violence has broadly fallen but insurgents have shown themselves still able to stage large-scale attacks."

http://www.reuters.com/article.../idUSTRE4AN14X20081124


since winnar111 thinks "Baghdad has less violence than DC and Chicago nowadays" i think it only fair that we ship him over there to confirm this.

 

[Deeko]

I really hate when the republicans prattle on about a "win" in Iraq. By traditional definitions, we "won" half a decade ago. If a "win" means 100% of the terrorists/insurgents in Iraq are ousted, we will never "win". Its just an arbitrary political term throw around to try to make democrats look bad, and its disgusting, and an insult to the troops.

 

[AstroManLuca]

I guess if you say "Mission Accomplished" enough times you'll believe it's true.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy things are going as well in Iraq as they are, but this isn't the time to get complacent.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: winnar111



We can only congratulate our troops on a job well done, and a victory that would not have been possible had Barack Hussein Obama came into office a year before.

I am elated that good things are happening in Iraq. There are those that say they would have done it different, or not at all, and express some sort of imaginary outcome that is other than the reality we have. That just isn't possible, to make a claim like that, no matter how believable it might be. No matter what the hind-sight is.

I guess what I am getting at is that you can only speculate that this outcome would be different under Obama. No way to pronounce it as fact.

We want to hear you say it was a mistake to go there in the first place.

Say it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Farang
You know the Barack Hussein Obama thing really makes you look foolish. Everyone knows you're doing it because Hussein is the name of the boogeyman, we all know that is his middle name and decided we didn't care because a person's name shouldn't matter. Do you think a name should be a barrier to a person's success?

I mean is your worldview so hard to defend you need to stoop to these childhood games? Can you not just put forth a constructive argument devoid of them? When I address George Bush, I use his name respectfully. Same with McCain. Now you're not the only one at fault, I agree the left idiots who say McSame are just as dumb.

Your correct . There is one name however that has come up in all this that got my attention. I believe he is from mississippi and is going to be appointed to the Saudis as Ambassabor. What bothers me about this man is his nake . Its Mabus. Google.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Farang
You know the Barack Hussein Obama thing really makes you look foolish. Everyone knows you're doing it because Hussein is the name of the boogeyman, we all know that is his middle name and decided we didn't care because a person's name shouldn't matter. Do you think a name should be a barrier to a person's success?

I mean is your worldview so hard to defend you need to stoop to these childhood games? Can you not just put forth a constructive argument devoid of them? When I address George Bush, I use his name respectfully. Same with McCain. Now you're not the only one at fault, I agree the left idiots who say McSame are just as dumb.

Your correct . There is one name however that has come up in all this that got my attention. I believe he is from mississippi and is going to be appointed to the Saudis as Ambassabor. What bothers me about this man is his nake . Its Mabus. Google.

OK Nostradamus

 

[JS80]

Can we take their oil now as reparations?

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

http://eldib.files.wordpress.c...sh_mission_banner1.jpg
What's new?

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Farang
You know the Barack Hussein Obama thing really makes you look foolish. Everyone knows you're doing it because Hussein is the name of the boogeyman, we all know that is his middle name and decided we didn't care because a person's name shouldn't matter. Do you think a name should be a barrier to a person's success?

I mean is your worldview so hard to defend you need to stoop to these childhood games? Can you not just put forth a constructive argument devoid of them? When I address George Bush, I use his name respectfully. Same with McCain. Now you're not the only one at fault, I agree the left idiots who say McSame are just as dumb.

Your correct . There is one name however that has come up in all this that got my attention. I believe he is from mississippi and is going to be appointed to the Saudis as Ambassabor. What bothers me about this man is his nake . Its Mabus. Google.

You've already demonstrated that you're an insane schizophrenic with a learning disability, so why would anyone listen to you?

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Farang
You know the Barack Hussein Obama thing really makes you look foolish. Everyone knows you're doing it because Hussein is the name of the boogeyman, we all know that is his middle name and decided we didn't care because a person's name shouldn't matter. Do you think a name should be a barrier to a person's success?

I mean is your worldview so hard to defend you need to stoop to these childhood games? Can you not just put forth a constructive argument devoid of them? When I address George Bush, I use his name respectfully. Same with McCain. Now you're not the only one at fault, I agree the left idiots who say McSame are just as dumb.

Your correct . There is one name however that has come up in all this that got my attention. I believe he is from mississippi and is going to be appointed to the Saudis as Ambassabor. What bothers me about this man is his nake . Its Mabus. Google.

You've already demonstrated that you're an insane schizophrenic with a learning disability, so why would anyone listen to you?

Personal amusement and schadenfreude? Personally, I just no longer have the time to keep up with the new bat-shit crazy trends. So I come here as a shortcut and get the latest from the horse's mouth (or ass depending on how you look at it).

 

[NeoV]

"In a city where raw waste often spills from an antique sewer system, power goes off hourly, a postal service does not exist and public transport has long been a fantasy"

Ideas are one thing, implementation is another.


I'm not sure I would have had a problem with us going into Iraq had we said the goal was to make the lives of the people of Iraq better since Saddam and his boys were total asshats - and I wouldn't have a problem with us - along with support from other countries, doing that in several different countries - African nations included.

However, we came up with a big pile of BS as to why we were going into Iraq - you can't look back now and say "well look how much better off they are" - for one thing, I'm not entirely sure that's accurate yet, and it's not the reason we went there in the first place - remember "we are not nation builders".

 

[evident]

YEEHAW MISSION ACCOMPLISHED AGAIN!!!




not

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: NeoV
"In a city where raw waste often spills from an antique sewer system, power goes off hourly, a postal service does not exist and public transport has long been a fantasy"

Ideas are one thing, implementation is another.


I'm not sure I would have had a problem with us going into Iraq had we said the goal was to make the lives of the people of Iraq better since Saddam and his boys were total asshats - and I wouldn't have a problem with us - along with support from other countries, doing that in several different countries - African nations included.

However, we came up with a big pile of BS as to why we were going into Iraq - you can't look back now and say "well look how much better off they are" - for one thing, I'm not entirely sure that's accurate yet, and it's not the reason we went there in the first place - remember "we are not nation builders".

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At least NeoV has a clue on a good part of the reason GWB&co failed. Gulf war one and indiscriminate bombing really decimated Iraqi infrastructure. The Iraqis became very good at cobbling together what little that remained, because the subsequent embargo made rebuilding impossible.

But during the build up to the war, I vividly remember all those GWB&co promises to rebuild things like electrical generation and sewage treatment. And GWB&co. supposedly committed some 80 billion for rebuilding. After all, it was not tip top secret that Iraqi infrastructure was in terrible shape.

Sadly, when we initially invaded, all the Iraqis who knew how to keep existing infrastructure running got fired in debathification, those few US people who knew their ass from a whole in the ground about the workings of a sewage or electrical grid simply said existing Iraqi infrastructure was hopeless, order all new parts, which put off getting anything for at least a year. By then, its easy to understand why millions of Iraqis became disenchanted with US, and formed into insurgencies
which then made rebuilding impossible.

And here we are, close to six years later, and its not clear if Iraqi infrastructure is even up to 2/2003 levels yet.

And for a war that was supposed to remove Saddam, therefore making life better for Iraqis, has turned into a Iraqi nightmare. And ask almost any Iraqi, their prevailing answer is that the US occupation has made their life decidedly worse.

And we in the US wonder why the Iraqis want us gone?

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Craig234
I think critics of the war need to remember how bad Saddam was as well, with no end in sight to his rule, and pay some attention to the need for *some* policy about that.

Why? Saddam wasn't a threat to us.

Was continuing the Clinton policies on Iraq the best policy,

Hell no. His policies resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people.

or was there a third option?

Yeah, it's called mind your own fucking business. Lead the world by example, not force.

What he said, on all points. Again, this was all glaringly obvious back in 2003, and earlier, but now hundreds of thousands of people are dead and all I got was this lousy t-shirt saying "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO".

 

[filetitan]

what's the point if some nut case might blow it up?

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Farang
You know the Barack Hussein Obama thing really makes you look foolish. Everyone knows you're doing it because Hussein is the name of the boogeyman, we all know that is his middle name and decided we didn't care because a person's name shouldn't matter. Do you think a name should be a barrier to a person's success?

I mean is your worldview so hard to defend you need to stoop to these childhood games? Can you not just put forth a constructive argument devoid of them? When I address George Bush, I use his name respectfully. Same with McCain. Now you're not the only one at fault, I agree the left idiots who say McSame are just as dumb.

It's his name.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
I'm not the child telling everyone to pack their bags and leave the country if they don't agree with Fuhrer Dave.

I'm pointing out the best option for Republicans that don't like America.

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may."

You cannot possibly be a man.

Score.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: filetitan
what's the point if some nut case might blow it up?

Try that reasoning with your electric supply, your sewage service, your garbage pick up, your roads, your bridges, and see how many days you can hold out.

 

[alien42]

"Iraq Bombings Kill More Than 30 in Baghdad, Mosul, AP Reports

Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- More than 30 people were killed by bomb attacks targeting Iraqi and U.S. forces in Baghdad and the northern city of Mosul, the Associated Press reported, citing officials.

A suicide bomber, a teenage boy, detonated an explosive vest today near a police academy in eastern Baghdad. A few minutes later a car bomb exploded nearby as people responded to the first blast, AP said, citing the U.S. military. At least 16 people were killed in the twin attacks, including five policemen and 11 recruits, AP said, citing local officials.

A suicide car bomber attacked a joint U.S.-Iraqi convoy in Mosul, killing at least 15 people, AP said, citing an unidentified police officer, who said the dead were mostly civilians. The U.S. military said two American soldiers were injured in the blast.

The bodyguard of Major General Mudhir al-Mola, an Iraqi defense ministry official, was also killed in Baghdad when a roadside bomb exploded in the Sulaikh neighborhood, AP said. Al- Mola was wounded in the attack."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...ytZwMmaFcnE&refer=home