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dontsh00tmesanta

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Octacore AMD 8320.....

cheap!!!!!!!!



Great upgrade right?


got ddr pc 1600 8gb ram already, fully modular seasonic 620w and ati 7770 with future upgrade to gtx 760


Anyone with AMD octacore can attest to performance?
 
Justinbaileyman

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Yeah I dont think its a bad platform at all as long as you got it for a good price.Others around here will disagree as they personally have something against AMD round these parts but dont let them spoil your fun.Your new PC should hold you over nicely for another 2-3 years till Intel and AMD release there next best thing. What mobo did you get to pair with your new cpu if you dont mind me asking??
 
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escrow4

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The single threaded performance of that FX would be a bit better than that Core 2. A bit. Mystery why you didn't go i5. It won't hold water for 2-3yrs gaming as #2 notes, its already far behind in a lot of titles and its tied to the ancient AM3+ platform.
 
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Abwx

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escrow4 said:
The single threaded performance of that FX would be a bit better than that Core 2. A bit.
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What do you call a bit.?.

Anyway the 8320 is quite an upgrade, in some favourable scenarios he will have as much as 3.5x the perfs of his older PC, if he could pick a 8320E at same price he would get about the same MT perf and slightly better ST perfs but this latter point is moot as even Firefox is 4C multithreaded.


escrow4 said:
Mystery why you didn't go i5. It won't hold water for 2-3yrs gaming as #2 notes, its already far behind in a lot of titles and its tied to the ancient AM3+ platform.
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That s the other way around, it s the i5 that will not hold any water in a 2-3 years perspective compared to a FX83XX, hardware.fr tests show that in 1.5 year or so the FX gained a substancial better rating in both their games and applications suites while the i5s got nothing and were degraded in respect of 8T CPUs, and all their games and apps are still not fully mthreaded, what about in 2 years.?.
Would you expect the FX or the i5 to gain even higher ratings.?.
 
crashtech

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Readers really need to understand that there are always more threads than cores. The average Windows machine has hundreds of threads running at any given time. So just to simply infer more cores are better is a gross oversimplification. Clearly we'll be rehashing this debate for the foreseeable future, since both the "fewer and faster" CPU core approach and the "more but slower" CPU core approach each have their strong and weak points.
 
frozentundra123456

frozentundra123456

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Abwx said:
What do you call a bit.?.

Anyway the 8320 is quite an upgrade, in some favourable scenarios he will have as much as 3.5x the perfs of his older PC, if he could pick a 8320E at same price he would get about the same MT perf and slightly better ST perfs but this latter point is moot as even Firefox is 4C multithreaded.




That s the other way around, it s the i5 that will not hold any water in a 2-3 years perspective compared to a FX83XX, hardware.fr tests show that in 1.5 year or so the FX gained a substancial better rating in both their games and applications suites while the i5s got nothing and were degraded in respect of 8T CPUs, and all their games and apps are still not fully mthreaded, what about in 2 years.?.
Would you expect the FX or the i5 to gain even higher ratings.?.
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I would expect the FX to still lose, *perhaps* by a bit less. Kind of like a sports team that still loses, but by less than before. If that is the performance you want, by all means get an FX.
 
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escrow4

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Abwx said:
What do you call a bit.?.

Anyway the 8320 is quite an upgrade, in some favourable scenarios he will have as much as 3.5x the perfs of his older PC, if he could pick a 8320E at same price he would get about the same MT perf and slightly better ST perfs but this latter point is moot as even Firefox is 4C multithreaded.




That s the other way around, it s the i5 that will not hold any water in a 2-3 years perspective compared to a FX83XX, hardware.fr tests show that in 1.5 year or so the FX gained a substancial better rating in both their games and applications suites while the i5s got nothing and were degraded in respect of 8T CPUs, and all their games and apps are still not fully mthreaded, what about in 2 years.?.
Would you expect the FX or the i5 to gain even higher ratings.?.
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Both gamegpu and pcgameshardware in most 2014 titles give a clear win to an i5, say Watch Dogs:

http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/watch-dogs-test-gpu.html

8350 barely cracks 60FPS average, a Haswell i5 posts 67FPS minimum

You were saying?

In 2yrs Skylake and Cannonlake will murder the FXs already weak performance.
 
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Abwx

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escrow4 said:
Both gamegpu and pcgameshardware in most 2014 titles give a clear win to an i5, say Watch Dogs:

http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/watch-dogs-test-gpu.html

8350 barely cracks 60FPS average, a Haswell i5 posts 67FPS minimum

You were saying?
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That the 8350 has much more throughput than an i5 and that it has a lot of reserve left while the i5s are already exhausted.

On WD hardware fr got 60.3 FPS for the FX and 66.8 with a 3.5 4C/4T Haswell, to do so the FX is used at 60% while the latter is at 100% or so, of course games will be undoubtly less and less multithreaded in 2-3 years and that will surely allow the i5 to get even better scores...

escrow4 said:
In 2yrs Skylake and Cannonlake will murder the FXs already weak performance.
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Because current i5 will auto update to Skylake and C.lake, i didnt thought about this...


frozentundra123456 said:
I would expect the FX to still lose, *perhaps* by a bit less. Kind of like a sports team that still loses, but by less than before. If that is the performance you want, by all means get an FX.
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The 8350 is already better than the i5 in many apps, from the integer benches we can conclude that the difference in throughput is such that the i5s will get trounced in about all areas, the FX has just too much higher integer ressources, and this is an area where it can match or even outmatch a 4770K, let alone a i5.
 
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AtenRa

AtenRa

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dontsh00tmesanta said:
Octacore AMD 8320.....

cheap!!!!!!!!



Great upgrade right?


got ddr pc 1600 8gb ram already, fully modular seasonic 620w and ati 7770 with future upgrade to gtx 760


Anyone with AMD octacore can attest to performance?
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I would go for the FX8320E and one of the following boards,

ASROCK Fatal1ty Killer , it has an M.2 Socket for SSDs

or

MSI 970 Gaming

Those two are the latest AM3+ motherboards with tones of features and good quality components for OverClocking.
 
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escrow4

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Abwx said:
That the 8350 has much more throughput than an i5 and that it has a lot of reserve left while the i5s are already exhausted.

On WD hardware fr got 60.3 FPS for the FX and 66.8 with a 3.5 4C/4T Haswell, to do so the FX is used at 60% while the latter is at 100% or so, of course games will be undoubtly less and less multithreaded in 2-3 years and that will surely allow the i5 to get even better scores...



Because current i5 will auto update to Skylake and C.lake, i didnt thought about this...




The 8350 is already better than the i5 in many apps, from the integer benches we can conclude that the difference in throughput is such that the i5s will get trounced in about all areas, the FX has just too much higher integer ressources, and this is an area where it can match or even outmatch a 4770K, let alone a i5.
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Synthethic benchmarks? Look at real world, AMD has already fallen behind. Nobody mentioned auto updating. Where is AMDs roadmap? AM3+ is obsolete by the time Skylake comes out in a year or so there will be even less reason to choose FX.
 
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SPBHM

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e8400 is very old, fine for basic tasks but not gaming, so the FX is a good upgrade...

but personally, I would only combine an AMD CPU with a very cheap motherboard, because if you go with a mid range/high end am3+ MB there is a very high possibility that you will get lower perf for gaming than the same total amount spent with cheap Intel MB and more expensive CPU.
 
crashtech

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kyubi said:
Price is why I don't go with i5 plus my pc multitasks a lot
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Good multitasking depends highly on CPU throughput, and throughput can be achieved more ways than just adding cores. If cores were the only thing that mattered, a cell phone CPU like the Snapdragon Krait 400 would be faster than an i3. But they aren't even in the same league, and not all PC CPUs are, either.


http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1231964

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1139395
 
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dontsh00tmesanta

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crashtech said:
Good multitasking depends highly on CPU throughput, and throughput can be achieved more ways than just adding cores. If cores were the only thing that mattered, a cell phone CPU like the Snapdragon Krait 400 would be faster than an i3. But they aren't even in the same league, and not all PC CPUs are, either.


http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1231964

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1139395
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Im going with AMD 8320 due to cost....its alot cheaper than the i5 4590 I wanted....plus 8 cores!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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dontsh00tmesanta

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My new rig would be

amd 8329
12gb ram (2x8gb, 2x2gb)
ati 7770

Hopefully I can play battlefield 3 and 4 and assassins creed unity
 
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Abwx

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FWIW the most reliable MBs theses past months in France are the following :

ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0
Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P
ASUS M5A97 EVO R2.0
 
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escrow4

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dontsh00tmesanta said:
Im going with AMD 8320 due to cost....its alot cheaper than the i5 4590 I wanted....plus 8 cores!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Its 4 cores or 8 modules and a Haswell i5 obliterates it in anything singlethreaded which is the vast bulk of games. Fact - you could get a 4590 and stick it on the cheapest H81 board and still have way better gaming performance.

And this mobo is $3 more than SlowSpyder's but has an M2 slot and SATA Express:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128712
 
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