Frightening stuff

b0mbrman

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The idea behind it makes some sense. Shouldn't those who use the roads more pay more for their upkeep?
 

conjur

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Cool! I always wanted the government to be able to legally watch my every move!
 

chess9

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What is wrong with HOV restrictions and toll roads? Some think trucks, which do the largest portion of the road damage, aren't paying their fair share. If so, I'd much prefer to see taxes on truck mileage.

This idea sucks majorly in my view. You'd have Uncle Sam following you to the video store, then getting a copy of the video rental from the store (the next step), and then prosecuting you for watching "Leave it to Beaver" because it's obviously a DIRTY movie, or Ashcroft would have thought so.

At times like this I understand Libertarians....

-Robert
 

3chordcharlie

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This is designed to transfer the tax burden from those who drive larger, less efficient vehicles, to those who drive efficient ones.

Of course large vehicles do more damage to roads than small ones (one would think roughly in proportion to weight, which is roughly in proportion to fuel economy), so folks who normally believe in a strict user-pay philosophy should be outraged by this one.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
This is designed to transfer the tax burden from those who drive larger, less efficient vehicles, to those who drive efficient ones.

Of course large vehicles do more damage to roads than small ones (one would think roughly in proportion to weight, which is roughly in proportion to fuel economy), so folks who normally believe in a strict user-pay philosophy should be outraged by this one.
Ah, good point.

But what about those of us w/2700-lb sports cars that get 18 mpg? :)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
This is designed to transfer the tax burden from those who drive larger, less efficient vehicles, to those who drive efficient ones.

Of course large vehicles do more damage to roads than small ones (one would think roughly in proportion to weight, which is roughly in proportion to fuel economy), so folks who normally believe in a strict user-pay philosophy should be outraged by this one.

Not if you scale the tax depending on the class of vehicle.:)

CsG
 

Infohawk

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Can this thread have a better title?

I think this is a great idea. Highways cost money. Who should pay for them? Everyone, or the people that use them? I say the people that use them. A lot of conservatives rail against public transportation because it takes common funds but so do highways. This will also prompt people to use alternative methods of transportation and see the true costs of their choices, unlike now where highways are completely subsidized.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
this is stupid and unfair.

even people who dont drive benefit from public roads

You could say that for a lot of public services... But the true fiscal conservative tries to line up costs with usage. "If you use something, you pay for it." "Nobody should get handouts."
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: NightCrawler
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-dmv16nov16.story


What will they tax next ?
this is stupid and unfair.

even people who dont drive benefit from public roads
Good roads benefit non-drivers through lower prices on goods they purchase that were transported on roads and through lower prices on public transportation, right?

In a free market, they end up paying the same prices if you move the incidence of the tax to the suppliers. Think about the math.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: NightCrawler
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-dmv16nov16.story


What will they tax next ?
this is stupid and unfair.

even people who dont drive benefit from public roads
Good roads benefit non-drivers through lower prices on goods they purchase that were transported on roads and through lower prices on public transportation, right?

In a free market, they end up paying the same prices if you move the incidence of the tax to the suppliers. Think about the math.

but roads are paid via taxes already.

this would be like charging people to put a fire out in their house instead of it being a service for the common good.

perhaps only parents should have to pay the cost of education...imagine this...the district needs a new school and they only charge the parents of that school...imagine coming home to a bill for $20000 based on a $10000000 school with 500 kids or if you had two kids in the school a bill for $40000 in addition to what they already charge...
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
The idea behind it makes some sense. Shouldn't those who use the roads more pay more for their upkeep?

Yeah, its called privatizing the roads.
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: NightCrawler
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-dmv16nov16.story


What will they tax next ?
this is stupid and unfair.

even people who dont drive benefit from public roads
Good roads benefit non-drivers through lower prices on goods they purchase that were transported on roads and through lower prices on public transportation, right?

In a free market, they end up paying the same prices if you move the incidence of the tax to the suppliers. Think about the math.

but roads are paid via taxes already.

this would be like charging people to put a fire out in their house instead of it being a service for the common good.

perhaps only parents should have to pay the cost of education...imagine this...the district needs a new school and they only charge the parents of that school...imagine coming home to a bill for $20000 based on a $10000000 school with 500 kids or if you had two kids in the school a bill for $40000 in addition to what they already charge...

Parents should pay the cost of education in full, and the public education racket should end.
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
this is stupid and unfair.

even people who dont drive benefit from public roads

You could say that for a lot of public services... But the true fiscal conservative tries to line up costs with usage. "If you use something, you pay for it." "Nobody should get handouts."

In that case privatize the roads, then people who use them will pay for them.
 

Genx87

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Doesnt look good.

Use tolls if that is what you want to do. The tax will be every couple of miles. Putting a tracking device on you is so 1984 it is scary.
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Doesnt look good.

Use tolls if that is what you want to do. The tax will be every couple of miles. Putting a tracking device on you is so 1984 it is scary.

Whatever the free market could come up with, would be 500 million times better than the road socialism garbage we put up with now.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Tracking devices > polls in terms of traffic alone. It's ten times more efficient.
But what's the penalty for removing a device? I don't want to spend time in jail for wanting to express my right to not have every move monitored.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Tracking devices > polls in terms of traffic alone. It's ten times more efficient.
But what's the penalty for removing a device? I don't want to spend time in jail for wanting to express my right to not have every move monitored.

I guess you could have tolls too. They have them on many European highways... And then you could toll higher at the physical toll stations for the cost of older toll booths and slow-downs in traffic because of the stoppings to pay while the people with electronic tolls would pay a bit less because the upkeep of that polling system would probably be cheaper.

I like electronic tolls. It's quick, you can monitor how much you spend. I even agreed to be tracked at non-poll places to help them the gov. study traffic movement.