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Friends don't let, friends buy P4s.

Come on.. why are you so against P4s? 😛
I personally have used both TBirds and P4 system and liked both, they have their own strength and weaknesses. period.
It's just a mater of preferences. Sure the P4s don't have that much software support now.. but who knows? Have you used a P4 before and you disliked it so that you make such remarks? 😀
 
I agree, my cousin bought a top of the line system from Gateway that has a P4 1.5GHz and now he wants an AMD Athlon 1.33 GHz.
 
Well, just to throw my $.02 into this troll-fest...
Next system I hope to build will have 8 P3 Xeon processors and many gigs of ram.
It will be a very nice, very fast system indeed. Try that you AMD geeks! 😉

I agree with those who have said so many times before: "The right tool for the job"
This will be a great system to do the work it is designed for, but I wouldn't want to play Unreal Tourney on it.
 
I'm no Intel basher, as I'm a proud owner of a dual 1Ghz P3 rig myself 🙂, but its hard to recommend a P4 CPU/mobo combo right now or to even consider it (if you or the person plans to upgrade later on) because isn't INTEL saying they will be changing the CPU pin-size in future procs, in effect rendering current P4 mobos leaving owners high and dry when it comes time to upgrade that trusty CPU? I'd personally wouldn't bother upgrading a P4 1.3/1.4/1.5 to 2Ghz, even if it means no socket style change. I expect more life out of a P4 mobo if I will be paying top dollars (close to $300Cdn) for it.

I too, am not sure which proc or manufacture I will go with, either Intel or AMD, still undecided. Will see how things shape up first. But at the moment, leaning towards a duallie. But AMD is prolly gonna beyond budget and P4 isn't going dual. Sticking with the trusty dual P3 for the time being...

Just my 2US/3Cdn cents 🙂

Plucky
 
i love it when people say the p4 will be a good cpu in the future, what future, when the p5 comes out, or when amds new cpus come out, the p4 is just more intel marketing, heres a faster chip that is worthless with today's software but we know you all will buy it because it will be great in the future, ha, i guess thats why intel spends so much money on marketing so it could suck in people like you, great in the future, thanks for the good laugh
 
Home buyers = AMD, Corporate buyers = Intel

Lets keep it this way so the corporate buyers don't eat into the supply of Tbirds/Duron chip making the price go up.
Money is no object for them anyways.
 
bigdog1218,

Your post rings with truth, for the moment. I think software makers will come around eventually. Not as fast as Intel was hoping though...
 
Hmmmmm I just upgraded to a P4 1.5gig, and the cpu cost me about 210/ the ram a buck & a half for 256, of course the board was 200/ So for less than 600 bucks, I now have a cpu/system running at 1725 on air, knock it all you want, but to me it was worth the upgrade. 🙂
 
I HIGHLY doubt the majority of you have even touched a P4 computer. You can't actually say anything about it if you haven't used it. Benchmarks are benchmarks, but benchmarks dont' make a bit of damn when it comes to how well the system runs for YOU. I don't care if Anand thinks a P4 is slow, nor do I care to realize that many of you say it is slow, soley on the basis that someone said it's slow. Intel 1.7=AMD1.33. Now, later down the road when SSE2 optimizations have been coded into software, it will make that particular piece of software run better, while the AMD still runs how it did before. Remember how long it took MMX to be coded into the majority of programs and games?

I am in no way saying that AMD is junk, because I have owned a few of their CPUs and yes, they performed well. I still own an AMD-based computer as we speak. I personally feel that the Pentium 4 CPU has longer life and more longevity than current AMD CPUs do. That's just me. I'm not saying you have to finish reading the rest of this paragraph, nor do you have to consider what I have just wrote in the above paragraph. Forums are open to hundreds of thousands of opinions, thoughts, and ideas so one person has an easy way of helping and informing others.

Despite future upgrades of the Pentium 4 core, I am not worried about it at all. Sure, at the current rate of speed at which CPUs are getting faster, 1.7GHz, along with 1.4GHz from AMD, will be "out of date". For me, as an average user, will be more than satisifed for months (hoepfully years 🙂) to come.

My $0.02
 
True, but prices aren't bad, IMHO. Look at the memory bandwidth of RDRAM compared to DDR or SDRAM.

Nothing touches or even comes close to RDRAM.
 


<< Well, just to throw my $.02 into this troll-fest...
Next system I hope to build will have 8 P3 Xeon processors and many gigs of ram.
It will be a very nice, very fast system indeed. Try that you AMD geeks! 😉

I agree with those who have said so many times before: &quot;The right tool for the job&quot;
This will be a great system to do the work it is designed for, but I wouldn't want to play Unreal Tourney on it. >>


WOW you will have more CPU cache than my old 200MHz computer's RAM!!!!
 


<< True, but prices aren't bad, IMHO. Look at the memory bandwidth of RDRAM compared to DDR or SDRAM.

Nothing touches or even comes close to RDRAM. >>


ugggghhhhhhh you are praising the EVIL RAMBUS :|!! DOWN WITH INTEL FOR USING RAMBUS!!
 
<<Look at the memory bandwidth of RDRAM compared to DDR or SDRAM.>>

Interleaved DDR offers a TRUE >1.0 gb/sec of thoroughput. This is equal to the TRUE thoroughput of RAMBUS. Everyone goes by fictitious bandwidth thresholds that ignore latency. The real world has latency. 😉

With that being said, I expect Intel's DDR chipset to be interleaved, too.
 


<< Trolling, trolling, trolling.... Keep them members trolling...


🙂 >>



Trollin trollin trollin..


Intel 0wnz j00!
 
To the people that I build computers for, I say, &quot;Well, what's your budget.&quot; If they have suffice amounts of dough to drop down on a computer, then I will build them a P4. If they don't have the cash and would rather prefer a budget system, then I build an AMD-based computer for them. Simple as that.

Most of the people in this world don't have the cash, nor would like to spend as much as I do on it, which about 95% of this forum can agree on. I'm not biased for one company or another, but like stated previously, each CPU has a downside and an upside. Budget being one of them.
 
That kind of 'it'll be better in the future' crappo worked so well for Nvidia, so Intel decided to try it out themselves. 😀
 
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