Frickin' BD+

[XMan]

<sigh>

So my Blockbuster finally decided to rent HD movies. I pick up Sunshine, which I've been wanting to see for a while.

I stick it in my HD-DVD/BD reader, click the PowerDVD icon, and wait. Nice lookin' menu. Set my sound and subtitles up, hit play. Movie starts, runs for three seconds, crashes. WTF? Googled it . . . BD+ movies won't play when AnyDVD HD is running. I wince. The only thing I use AnyDVD HD for is to remove the HDCP requirement that PowerDVD demands (even though none of the disks ask for it). I cross my fingers and disable AnyDVD HD. His play again . . . BZZZT! "Sorry, your display is not HDCP compatible."

After some choice words for Cyberlink I figure, WTheck, I'll download ArcSoft Total Media Theatre's trial and give it a shot. Annnnnnnnd . . . nope. Doesn't work either.

Ive never had a problem with any of HD-DVD's. Never, for that matter, with any of my other BluRays - Oceans 13, Spiderman, etc.

I wonder if Blockbuster will give me a store credit . . . :|

 

[chucky2]

Just wait until Blu-ray has the total monopoly and they turn on the content protection...

Of course, by then everything will probably be HDMI+HDCP anyways, but still...

Chuck

 

[Slick5150]

Blu-Ray player prices are rising.. BD+ is still a terrible thing for consumers..

Someone remind me again why the format war ending was a good thing?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Blu-Ray player prices are rising..

Nope. Only biased perceptions are on the rise.
http://www.dailytech.com/Blura...ising/article11087.htm

BD+ is still a terrible thing for consumers..

How so? AACS is what determines the HDCP requirements. And remind me again whether or not AACS is a part of the HD DVD specs? I forget some times.

If BD+ is an incentive for studios to release more content, would that still be bad for consumers?

Someone remind me again why the format war ending was a good thing?

Somehow I think you'd be cheering the end of the format war if HD DVD prevailed as the dominant format.

 

[Rio Rebel]

I haven't been keeping up with players. But I've been in the Blue-Ray camp for a year now, and I can tell you for a fact that Blu-Ray disks have gone up at Fry's across the board.

 

[GregGreen]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Blu-Ray player prices are rising..

Nope. Only biased perceptions are on the rise.
http://www.dailytech.com/Blura...ising/article11087.htm

BD+ is still a terrible thing for consumers..

How so? AACS is what determines the HDCP requirements. And remind me again whether or not AACS is a part of the HD DVD specs? I forget some times.

If BD+ is an incentive for studios to release more content, would that still be bad for consumers?

Someone remind me again why the format war ending was a good thing?

Somehow I think you'd be cheering the end of the format war if HD DVD prevailed as the dominant format.

You fail to remember that BD+ is unrelated to AACS and since BD+ (as will any other encryption scheme that the movie industry tries) has been cracked, how does that encourage studios to release more content?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: GregGreen
You fail to remember that BD+ is unrelated to AACS and since BD+ (as will any other encryption scheme that the movie industry tries) has been cracked, how does that encourage studios to release more content?

This thread's existence is based on an assumption that BD+ is not fully cracked. Otherwise he'd be enjoying the movie instead of writing a complaint. In response to your comment, I'm really not sure where I said BD+ is related to AACS.

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
I haven't been keeping up with players. But I've been in the Blue-Ray camp for a year now, and I can tell you for a fact that Blu-Ray disks have gone up at Fry's across the board.

New Blu-ray releases cost the same at Best Buy, Circuit City, Wal*Mart, and Amazon compared to last year. Suggests Fry's acted alone to compete against the other retailers - not pitting one format against the other. Why they raised prices this year, you'll have to ask Fry's that question.

 

[Rio Rebel]

I don't know what you mean by "pitting one format against the other". I haven't been a part of that argument, and I certainly didn't suggest it.

Fry's has raised prices by a couple dollars. Fry's, Best Buy, and Amazon have all significantly slowed or stopped running sales of Blu-Rays where you could get them for $11-15, or two for one, or anything like that. The fact is, HD-DVD's demise has resulted in a small increase for BD (whether you call it price increases or fewer "special" sales). Whether this goes on long term is another question. I am still hopeful that BD sales will pick up and result in larger production, both for market acceptance High Def disks, and to lower production costs which should lower prices.

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Blu-Ray player prices are rising..

Nope. Only biased perceptions are on the rise.
http://www.dailytech.com/Blura...ising/article11087.htm

BD+ is still a terrible thing for consumers..

How so? AACS is what determines the HDCP requirements. And remind me again whether or not AACS is a part of the HD DVD specs? I forget some times.

If BD+ is an incentive for studios to release more content, would that still be bad for consumers?

Someone remind me again why the format war ending was a good thing?

Somehow I think you'd be cheering the end of the format war if HD DVD prevailed as the dominant format.

I prefered HD-DVD, yes, because its a more open format (no region coding), cheaper, and it actually worked from Day 1 unlike Blu-Ray (which still can't figure out all the specs).

But actually, I've said from the beginning that neither format will ever "win" because neither was going to be accepted by the average consumer, and I still think that's the case.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I prefered HD-DVD, yes, because its a more open format (no region coding), cheaper, and it actually worked from Day 1 unlike Blu-Ray (which still can't figure out all the specs).

Profile 1.0: No PiP, no network.
Profile 1.1: PiP
Profile 2.0: Network

Wow, that's hard to figure out :disgust:

But actually, I've said from the beginning that neither format will ever "win" because neither was going to be accepted by the average consumer, and I still think that's the case.

Because your format lost?

 

[cvrefugee]

Originally posted by: Chris

Profile 1.0: No PiP, no network.
Profile 1.1: PiP
Profile 2.0: Network

Wow, that's hard to figure out :disgust:

Why are they even producing players that aren't 2.0? That's just irresponsible and forces people to replace stand-alone players if they want new features to work.

 

[XMan]

LMAO. Well, I got it to work.

Ironically enough, BD+ forced me to piracy, of a legally rented disk. I made an ISO with ImgBurn, and what do you know, now PowerDVD will pay it. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

So now I can watch it and delete it when I'm done. <sigh>

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I prefered HD-DVD, yes, because its a more open format (no region coding), cheaper, and it actually worked from Day 1 unlike Blu-Ray (which still can't figure out all the specs).

Profile 1.0: No PiP, no network.
Profile 1.1: PiP
Profile 2.0: Network

And all players are Profile 2.0 now, right? Oh wait, no..

But actually, I've said from the beginning that neither format will ever "win" because neither was going to be accepted by the average consumer, and I still think that's the case.

Because your format lost?

I never invested in either format. I said I liked HD-DVD better, not that I bought one. But you just carry on bashing anybody that criticizes your beloved Blu-Ray, because it clearly has no faults.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: cvrefugee

Why are they even producing players that aren't 2.0?

Profile 1.0 players are cheaper to make than Profile 2.0 players. Profile 1.1 and 2.0 movies will play on 1.0 players, but some (or possibly all) special features may not. People that do not care about having the special features offered by 1.1 and 2.0 titles could save money by buying 1.0 players.

 

[Rio Rebel]

There is no reason to start up the old format war flamefest. If you have any lingering resentments, let it go.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I prefered HD-DVD, yes, because its a more open format (no region coding), cheaper, and it actually worked from Day 1 unlike Blu-Ray (which still can't figure out all the specs).

Profile 1.0: No PiP, no network.
Profile 1.1: PiP
Profile 2.0: Network

Wow, that's hard to figure out :disgust:

But actually, I've said from the beginning that neither format will ever "win" because neither was going to be accepted by the average consumer, and I still think that's the case.

Because your format lost?

It's really not that simple though. Some profile 1.0 players have trouble playing newer blu-ray discs all together, not just the PiP. It's usually the discs that have the enhanced java features. Because the spec wasn't finalized different blu-ray manufactures implemented things differently and that has led to incompatibilities.

My Samsung BD-P1200 has had tons of problems in this regard. Just about every time an enhanced java movie comes out Samsung has to create a workaround to get it to work. So far they haven't been able to actually fix the problem, just create work arounds. I highly doubt that they ever will, and eventually they will stop releasing firmware updates.Who knows how many of the players out today will have compatibility problems with future Blu-rays.

 

[Rio Rebel]

I don't think it is a matter of profile 1.0, and no offense, Shawn, but I don't think you're very objective on the subject. I have never once - not ONCE - had a problem playing a disk in my Panasonic BD10 (profile 1.0). Samsung has long been the black sheep of the Blu-Ray players.

 

[montypythizzle]

Ya, that sucks you could not use it on a non HDCP display, glad you got it to work, AnyDVD is sort of piracy in it's own anyway... BUT!!! Who cares, you watched your movie.

 

[luigionlsd]

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I prefered HD-DVD, yes, because its a more open format (no region coding), cheaper, and it actually worked from Day 1 unlike Blu-Ray (which still can't figure out all the specs).

Profile 1.0: No PiP, no network.
Profile 1.1: PiP
Profile 2.0: Network

Wow, that's hard to figure out :disgust:

But actually, I've said from the beginning that neither format will ever "win" because neither was going to be accepted by the average consumer, and I still think that's the case.

Because your format lost?

It's really not that simple though. Some profile 1.0 players have trouble playing newer blu-ray discs all together, not just the PiP. It's usually the discs that have the enhanced java features. Because the spec wasn't finalized different blu-ray manufactures implemented things differently and that has led to incompatibilities.

My Samsung BD-P1200 has had tons of problems in this regard. Just about every time an enhanced java movie comes out Samsung has to create a workaround to get it to work. So far they haven't been able to actually fix the problem, just create work arounds. I highly doubt that they ever will, and eventually they will stop releasing firmware updates.Who knows how many of the players out today will have compatibility problems with future Blu-rays.

This, except sub me as a BD-P1000 owner. Anytime a new Fox disc, or batch of Fox discs releases, I get to wait patiently for a firmware fix from Samsung to get the discs to play. When Fox got back in the game in October 2007, it was a solid month and a half before the first new batch (From Hell, Robocop, etc.) were even playable. I suppose I'm lucky I held onto my 20gb PS3 for gaming!

 

[Rio Rebel]

So how was your PS3 in that regard (problems playing movies)? Did you find the problem to be Samsung, or did the PS3 also have problems?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Blu-Ray player prices are rising.. BD+ is still a terrible thing for consumers..

Someone remind me again why the format war ending was a good thing?

Hey man, that is the format "the consumers chose."

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Blu-Ray player prices are rising.. BD+ is still a terrible thing for consumers..

Someone remind me again why the format war ending was a good thing?

Hey man, that is the format "the consumers chose."

Good one.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: cvrefugee

Why are they even producing players that aren't 2.0?

Profile 1.0 players are cheaper to make than Profile 2.0 players. Profile 1.1 and 2.0 movies will play on 1.0 players, but some (or possibly all) special features may not. People that do not care about having the special features offered by 1.1 and 2.0 titles could save money by buying 1.0 players.

Are the features which do not work clearly labeled on 1.0 and 1.1 boxes?

 

[Hulk]

Slysoft has announced today they have cracked BD+. Updated AnyDVDHD is on their website and lots of people are successfully backing up BD+ titles.

So much for BD+.

Slysoft is also saying that is the studio's alter the protection they are rather "relaxed" about circumventing that as well. It seems they are confident in the fact that they have it figured out.

(Another bites the dust)

 

[Genx87]

Funny considering some shill for the movie studios proedicted last July it would take 10 years to crack BD+ lmao.