French voters punish Chirac

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French voters punish Chirac


PARIS, France (AP) -- President Jacques Chirac's government flunked its first electoral test since taking power two years ago, suffering stinging defeats in regional elections Sunday that became a national vote of censure against painful economic reforms.

The stunning rebuke, which breathed life back into France's left-wing opposition, will increase pressure on Chirac to reshuffle his conservative government, and perhaps even ditch his prime minister, the unpopular Jean-Pierre Raffarin.

One of the few silver linings for the government was the moderate showing by the far-right, anti-immigration National Front. It polled just 13-14 percent of the vote.

But the day belonged to the left. It took control of at least 21 regions -- out of a total of 26 -- and polled between 49-50 percent of the vote. Chirac's right polled between 37-38 percent, the Interior Ministry announced.

The hammering left Chirac's government in a bind. On the one hand, European Union partners are pressuring France to rein in its budget deficit to within EU limits. But at the polls, voters showed their reluctance to swallow the bitter pill of cuts to France's treasured public services and welfare protections.

Turnout was high, with around two-thirds of the country's nearly 42 million voters casting ballots.

A somber-looking Raffarin acknowledged the defeat but defended his government's record, saying it has stemmed crime, reformed the creaking state pension system and stabilized unemployment -- still running at close to 10 percent.

"It's not enough, I know. The French told us clearly so today," he said. But "reforms must continue simply because they are necessary," he insisted.

The defeat marked a dramatic turnaround from a year ago, when Chirac was winning praise within France for his staunch opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq. But his government's reforms have deeply divided France, chipped away at his popularity and sparked protests and strikes by most everyone from theater workers to doctors, transport employers to state-funded scientists.

For the government, making it harder for state workers to get expensive full pensions and trimming the indebted health system's budget are part of keeping France competitive.

But the midterm election bruising, Chirac's first national test since he and his party swept presidential and legislative polls in 2002, led to immediate pressure from the opposition for a change in tack.

The leader of the triumphant Socialists, Francois Hollande, said a mere ministerial shuffle would not be enough, "no matter how big it is." Instead, he said the government must keep its hands off the public sector.

"The disastrous projects on pensions, health and schools must be abandoned," said Socialist Jack Lang, a former minister.

 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Looks like the French left is making a comeback.

I suspect there will be a regime change in Germany, too. Gerhard Schröder is in trouble.

Yes, it is called Democracy. Let's see if we have our own regime change in November.
 

B00ne

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Well yeah, We are well on our way to becoming the poorest country of Europe. The left might not have started this trend but they sure helped increaing the slope. Luckily the EU gets its new members then the statistics will be better for us ;) I just wonder why the 3rd poorest country is still the biggest net per capita payer of the EU.... Not that it would make us any richer but correcting that problem would at least give us the chance to meet Maastricht.
 
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Originally posted by: B00ne
Well yeah, We are well on our way to becoming the poorest country of Europe.

I'll be in country this weekend, so I will contribute a bunch of Euro to your economy...I sure do miss Rahm Schnitzel, spatzle, und ein grosses Weizen Bier :) I might drink Zweibrucken dry :)

 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: B00ne
Well yeah, We are well on our way to becoming the poorest country of Europe.

I'll be in country this weekend, so I will contribute a bunch of Euro to your economy...I sure do miss Rahm Schnitzel, spatzle, und ein grosses Weizen Bier :) I might drink Zweibrucken dry :)
Yeah, I miss Deutschland. Zweibrücken is a neat little town. I dated a gal there back in '93. By the way, how long are you staying?

Back on topic: <sarcastic remark> leftist French? And you thought the French right-wingers were bad.</sarcastic remark> :p
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Looks like the French left is making a comeback.

I suspect there will be a regime change in Germany, too. Gerhard Schr&ouml;der is in trouble.

Yes, it is called Democracy. Let's see if we have our own regime change in November.

Remember...we dont have regime changes in this country...we have changes in leadership.

A regime change would involve the elimination of the Constitution. That would be bad
 
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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: B00ne
Well yeah, We are well on our way to becoming the poorest country of Europe.

I'll be in country this weekend, so I will contribute a bunch of Euro to your economy...I sure do miss Rahm Schnitzel, spatzle, und ein grosses Weizen Bier :) I might drink Zweibrucken dry :)
Yeah, I miss Deutschland. Zweibr&uuml;cken is a neat little town. I dated a gal there back in '93. By the way, how long are you staying?

Zwei Wochen...ein kleines Dorf von Homburg, Schwartzennacher...racks of Hefe are already in the Garden house waiting for me by the schwank grill :)
 

B00ne

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Ich wuensche dir viel Spass. Where exactly are you going? I cant find a village Schwartzennacher and there are several Homburgs. Btw What are u doing buisness, vacation, Armed Forces?

And yes if ppl would spend a few Euros it would help a little but reforms real reforms would help more and off course it would be good to have politicians with charisma and vision once, and someone that can explain things to the ppl so that even the idiots realize it is 5to12.

Anyway back on thread: Chirac might suck but i dont what is the lesser evil here
 

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
the left is making a come-back in Europe

next stop is Italy
I wish, they are stuck with the most corrupted leader in Europe

 
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Originally posted by: B00ne
Well yeah, We are well on our way to becoming the poorest country of Europe. The left might not have started this trend but they sure helped increaing the slope. Luckily the EU gets its new members then the statistics will be better for us ;) I just wonder why the 3rd poorest country is still the biggest net per capita payer of the EU.... Not that it would make us any richer but correcting that problem would at least give us the chance to meet Maastricht.

you would have more money in the Treasury and better public works if you didn't punish your producers so severely.
 

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CanOworms is right, the extreme right (Le Pen with daughter&Co) have been getting a lot of votes in the local electtions over the past few years.
And, yes, their party (Front National) does have members that want to build concentration camps, Front National is connected to groups of neo-nazis all over Europe.



 
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Originally posted by: B00ne
Ich wuensche dir viel Spass. Where exactly are you going? I cant find a village Schwartzennacher and there are several Homburgs. Btw What are u doing buisness, vacation, Armed Forces?

...about 20k from Saarbrucken and the French boarder; it is right next to Einod...about a 20 minute drive to Kaiserslaturn, my old stomping grounds before Baumholder. I doubt you'll find Schwartzenacher on die Landkarte :) ...going for our yearly vacation; meine Frau ist Deutsch, so she likes to get back and see the family every year. ;) Und woher kommst du?

 

B00ne

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Aus dem Osten :) Ich bin in Schwerin aufgewachsen, habe in Darmstadt studiert und da bin ich immer noch.... also Darmstadt
 

B00ne

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: B00ne
Well yeah, We are well on our way to becoming the poorest country of Europe. The left might not have started this trend but they sure helped increaing the slope. Luckily the EU gets its new members then the statistics will be better for us ;) I just wonder why the 3rd poorest country is still the biggest net per capita payer of the EU.... Not that it would make us any richer but correcting that problem would at least give us the chance to meet Maastricht.

you would have more money in the Treasury and better public works if you didn't punish your producers so severely.

I dont know exactly what you are talking about - our producers are not punished severly (depends what u are talking about though) - work is punished severly. Anyway there are alot of things that go wrong, got out of hand, or dont work anymore, the whole matter is very complicated and can only be solved with very extensive reforms. A smart oneliner is not the solution.
BTW if our political system is ill designed - the inherent flaws lead to a self lockdown of the decision process - A fact that was quite welcomed by the allies after WW2 - after all a weak indecisive unmovable Germany was desired but now 50 years later it bites us in the ass
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: f95toli
CanOworms is right, the extreme right (Le Pen with daughter&Co) have been getting a lot of votes in the local electtions over the past few years.
And, yes, their party (Front National) does have members that want to build concentration camps, Front National is connected to groups of neo-nazis all over Europe.

Also, the views of these whackos are adopted as mainstream ideas when/if they go away. Some people just want to ignore it and pretend everything is ok. As long as it isn't reported or talked about, they're ok with it.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: f95toli
CanOworms is right, the extreme right (Le Pen with daughter&Co) have been getting a lot of votes in the local electtions over the past few years.
And, yes, their party (Front National) does have members that want to build concentration camps, Front National is connected to groups of neo-nazis all over Europe.

Also, the views of these whackos are adopted as mainstream ideas when/if they go away. Some people just want to ignore it and pretend everything is ok. As long as it isn't reported or talked about, they're ok with it.


I also forgot to add that we also eat babies in Europe
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: f95toli
CanOworms is right, the extreme right (Le Pen with daughter&Co) have been getting a lot of votes in the local electtions over the past few years.
And, yes, their party (Front National) does have members that want to build concentration camps, Front National is connected to groups of neo-nazis all over Europe.

Also, the views of these whackos are adopted as mainstream ideas when/if they go away. Some people just want to ignore it and pretend everything is ok. As long as it isn't reported or talked about, they're ok with it.


I also forgot to add that we also eat babies in Europe

Thankfully, you're not the spokesman for all Europeans.