More like the left needs to learn the difference between a few people acting badly and an oppressive regime.Originally posted by: Lt 486
By the way, I am really dissapointed the way chinese goverment handles the tibet militant combatants. USA should hold China up to the standards of modern civilized country: waterboarding and Guantanomo-Bay-like camps. Chinese have much to learn about human rights, aren't they?
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
They should use the Tibet flag instead of the French flag in the ceremony.
holy crap, for once I agree with you
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
More like the left needs to learn the difference between a few people acting badly and an oppressive regime.Originally posted by: Lt 486
By the way, I am really dissapointed the way chinese goverment handles the tibet militant combatants. USA should hold China up to the standards of modern civilized country: waterboarding and Guantanomo-Bay-like camps. Chinese have much to learn about human rights, aren't they?
Most of our scandals involve a few bad apples breaking the rules and eventually paying the price for their actions.
What we are seeing in China is a governmental policy of oppression.
Originally posted by: Lt 486
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
More like the left needs to learn the difference between a few people acting badly and an oppressive regime.Originally posted by: Lt 486
By the way, I am really dissapointed the way chinese goverment handles the tibet militant combatants. USA should hold China up to the standards of modern civilized country: waterboarding and Guantanomo-Bay-like camps. Chinese have much to learn about human rights, aren't they?
Most of our scandals involve a few bad apples breaking the rules and eventually paying the price for their actions.
What we are seeing in China is a governmental policy of oppression.
Last time I checked both waterboarding and Gitmo camp were official policies of USA, not some rogue general.
Wait a second...
Oh, I have never thought of American Goverment as a bad apple... How could you? You, people on the right should stop America-bashing. Calling US Goverment a bad apple is unpatriotic and unamerican. Shame on you.
Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
i posted this in the other thread, but still no one has been able to explain this to me:
i don't see why all the western countries are on China's case in this recent riot. All the videos I've seen showed violent local Tibetans beating civilians, looting and vandalizing property, throwing rocks and other dangerous materials at police vehicles and police. EDIT: including the NEW video just surfaced today, from an australian tourist And then the rest of the world jumps on the bandwagon and claims 'cultural genocide.' Well, if there is violent civil unrest, then wtf is the government supposed to do? What do these idiots mean when they "urge restraint?" If they don't send in police forces, shops are going to be looted, people killed, and the entire city is going up in flames. If they do send in police, they violate human rights.
Its like if people criticized the government's actions in the LA riots of '92. Darn those oppresive cops. They really should have respected the rioter's rights to riot. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the use of force (which at this moment are unconfirmed anyway) against the rioters-- especially in this recent episode in Tibet.
And what will that do, exactly?Originally posted by: BoomerD
I've never been one of the "Free Tibet" hippies, but with the current situation in Tibet and the rapidly escalating violence, I think it's time for George to pull a Jimmy, and have the US teams boycott the entire Olympics. NO one competes.
Yeah, it sux for the athletes, but not nearly as bad as it does for the Tibetans...
Originally posted by: Skoorb
And what will that do, exactly?Originally posted by: BoomerD
I've never been one of the "Free Tibet" hippies, but with the current situation in Tibet and the rapidly escalating violence, I think it's time for George to pull a Jimmy, and have the US teams boycott the entire Olympics. NO one competes.
Yeah, it sux for the athletes, but not nearly as bad as it does for the Tibetans...
Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
i posted this in the other thread, but still no one has been able to explain this to me:
i don't see why all the western countries are on China's case in this recent riot. All the videos I've seen showed violent local Tibetans beating civilians, looting and vandalizing property, throwing rocks and other dangerous materials at police vehicles and police. EDIT: including the NEW video just surfaced today, from an australian tourist And then the rest of the world jumps on the bandwagon and claims 'cultural genocide.' Well, if there is violent civil unrest, then wtf is the government supposed to do? What do these idiots mean when they "urge restraint?" If they don't send in police forces, shops are going to be looted, people killed, and the entire city is going up in flames. If they do send in police, they violate human rights.
Its like if people criticized the government's actions in the LA riots of '92. Darn those oppresive cops. They really should have respected the rioter's rights to riot. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the use of force (which at this moment are unconfirmed anyway) against the rioters-- especially in this recent episode in Tibet. And I don't claim to know the whole story, if this is not it. But how can we all seemingly automatically assume what we have? Unless I'm missing out on some secret news source...
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Lt 486
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
More like the left needs to learn the difference between a few people acting badly and an oppressive regime.Originally posted by: Lt 486
By the way, I am really dissapointed the way chinese goverment handles the tibet militant combatants. USA should hold China up to the standards of modern civilized country: waterboarding and Guantanomo-Bay-like camps. Chinese have much to learn about human rights, aren't they?
Most of our scandals involve a few bad apples breaking the rules and eventually paying the price for their actions.
What we are seeing in China is a governmental policy of oppression.
Last time I checked both waterboarding and Gitmo camp were official policies of USA, not some rogue general.
Wait a second...
Oh, I have never thought of American Goverment as a bad apple... How could you? You, people on the right should stop America-bashing. Calling US Goverment a bad apple is unpatriotic and unamerican. Shame on you.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Inte...tory?id=4468783&page=1
China is shooting protestors. Guantanamo is a disgrace, but if you'd like to compare abuses, I think you better pick a better example.
China is also attempting to shut down and censor access to all blogs and internet sites discussing or showing the violence, so that they can kill civilians with impunity. And they've been pretty successful at it too: http://government.zdnet.com/?p=3721
Baidu, China?s largest search engine, turns up no news in a search for ?Tibet? (the fifth most popular search term on Baidu Monday), while searches for ?Tibet riot? produce hits to pages that have been removed.
Originally posted by: BoomerD
From what I've read, the violence is a caused by the Tibetan people who are tired of living under the thumbs of Bejing. As far as most Tibetans are concerned, they are Tibetans, NOT Chinese...and much like many other peoples in the world, they want their freedom, something that we here in the USA are supposed to support. After all, isn't that one of the excuses that Georgie-Boy is using as a reason for being in Iraq?
If the Chinese would get the hell out of Tibet and let them live their own lives, the violence would go away. (right or wrong)
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Skoorb
And what will that do, exactly?Originally posted by: BoomerD
I've never been one of the "Free Tibet" hippies, but with the current situation in Tibet and the rapidly escalating violence, I think it's time for George to pull a Jimmy, and have the US teams boycott the entire Olympics. NO one competes.
Yeah, it sux for the athletes, but not nearly as bad as it does for the Tibetans...
Not a dammed thing...and it didn't do a dammed thing when Carter kept the Olympic teams from competing in Moscow either...but it DOES send a message.
Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
i posted this in the other thread, but still no one has been able to explain this to me:
i don't see why all the western countries are on China's case in this recent riot. All the videos I've seen showed violent local Tibetans beating civilians, looting and vandalizing property, throwing rocks and other dangerous materials at police vehicles and police. EDIT: including the NEW video just surfaced today, from an australian tourist And then the rest of the world jumps on the bandwagon and claims 'cultural genocide.' Well, if there is violent civil unrest, then wtf is the government supposed to do? What do these idiots mean when they "urge restraint?" If they don't send in police forces, shops are going to be looted, people killed, and the entire city is going up in flames. If they do send in police, they violate human rights.
Its like if people criticized the government's actions in the LA riots of '92. Darn those oppresive cops. They really should have respected the rioter's rights to riot. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the use of force (which at this moment are unconfirmed anyway) against the rioters-- especially in this recent episode in Tibet. And I don't claim to know the whole story, if this is not it. But how can we all seemingly automatically assume what we have? Unless I'm missing out on some secret news source...
From what I've read, the violence is a caused by the Tibetan people who are tired of living under the thumbs of Bejing. As far as most Tibetans are concerned, they are Tibetans, NOT Chinese...and much like many other peoples in the world, they want their freedom, something that we here in the USA are supposed to support. After all, isn't that one of the excuses that Georgie-Boy is using as a reason for being in Iraq?
If the Chinese would get the hell out of Tibet and let them live their own lives, the violence would go away. (right or wrong)
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Originally posted by: sandorski
China is in an impossible situation here. Tibetans and others know that China's only choices are to give in to Demands or face International Embarrassment. Of course how bad that embarrassment will be is in China's hands, but I suspect they'll be willing to go quite far to not give into Demands.
The French idea sounds like a good one as it is doubtful anyone will come up with a better idea.
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
I hope there will be various independent groups doing air quality testing, and first sign of hazardous air quality a alert be made so countries can pull their athletes from the sporting events or at least have them delayed until it is safe.
I can see China trying to suppress/keep out any such groups, but i can see that ending very badly (worst case is they succeed and a athlete dies from smog).
Die from smog? Are you joking?
the sad thing is that thats a legitimate concern.
I spend quite a bit of time in China and I have yet to die. I'm curious as to why they think a short exposure to China would lead to that conclusion.