DealMonkey
Lifer
I'm curious what the usual resident France haters would think about this story?
What a heart-warming story! :thumbsup:
What a heart-warming story! :thumbsup:
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French Families Adopt U.S. Graves in Normandy
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This is the America we were and can be again, and the France which also is and which the retarded xenophobic haters that are our vocal minority will never begin to know.
It is high time we took back our country and our ideals from the Fox led right wing. When we have done rightly in the world, we have been justly loved. When we have been Bush league, we are rightly feared and distrusted.
I want my country back. At our best, we are a LIBERAL nation, which can truly bask in the probity and pragmatic idealism of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight David Eishenhower, and John Fitzgerald Kennedy, NOT Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove.
May God once again bless the United States of America! :thumbsup:
RightIsWrong
Diamond Member
This is about respect for human beings and the sacrifices that they made. It has nothing to do with nationalism whether it be French or American.
If only everyone were able to reach this level of understanding.
If only everyone were able to reach this level of understanding.
BoomerD
No Lifer
Personally, I don't care if it's the French government, a private organization, or just a group of thankful citizens who is doing this. I'm just glad to see them do it.
Far too many people are trying to turn Memorial Day into a "Support our Troops" day, when in reality, it's a day to recognize and remember those troops who didn't come home. Memorial Day is to remember the dead; Veteran's Day is the day to remember the living.
Far too many people are trying to turn Memorial Day into a "Support our Troops" day, when in reality, it's a day to recognize and remember those troops who didn't come home. Memorial Day is to remember the dead; Veteran's Day is the day to remember the living.
At least they're taking care of them. But it's unfortunate that so many American graves are there. Their deaths didn't really change anything. The Nazis were stopped only to allow the French to reign in their place. I don't think that many would have sacrificed their lives if they realized what was in store in the future.
glutenberg
Golden Member
If only the French had realized earlier what asses the US would foster they may have thought twice about aiding the Revolutionaries in their struggle. Basically, a stupid premise.
I didn't know that Europe was free of warfare. They had a genocide and war last decade.
France was freed to allow to commit genocides in Algeria, Rwanda, etc. after the war. Do you think that the Americans who died did so for a worthy cause when looking back at French history since WW2?
@CanOWorms :
Considering the US's intervention in WWII paved the way for them to proactively seek the dismantling of all the former European empires I would have thought you of all people would at least see some benefit from the sacrifices made by those many brave men that fought and died in the country you loathe so much. Or are you suggesting that a Nazi empire is somehow preferable to what we've reached today?
I'm curious how many Europeans you actually know, are we really all so tainted by our history regardless of our own personal character that you detest us all. Or is it merely the nation states themselves?
I for one think what?s being done here has its intentions in the right place regardless of your political leanings.
Considering the US's intervention in WWII paved the way for them to proactively seek the dismantling of all the former European empires I would have thought you of all people would at least see some benefit from the sacrifices made by those many brave men that fought and died in the country you loathe so much. Or are you suggesting that a Nazi empire is somehow preferable to what we've reached today?
I'm curious how many Europeans you actually know, are we really all so tainted by our history regardless of our own personal character that you detest us all. Or is it merely the nation states themselves?
I for one think what?s being done here has its intentions in the right place regardless of your political leanings.
Proactively seek the dismantling of their empires? That is putting a huge revisionist spin to it. After WW2 many of the European powers re-asserted control over their colonies and actively fought against independence. What do you call the Algerian War, First Indochina War, etc.
The job just wasn't finished. After the Nazis were defeated, the French & others should not have been allowed to re-establish themselves as world powers. These people could have sacrificed for so much more but instead we threw away their lives for a hollow victory.
"Proactively seek the dismantling of their empires? That is putting a huge revisionist spin to it. After WW2 many of the European powers re-asserted control over their colonies and actively fought against independence. What do you call the Algerian War, First Indochina War, etc. "
I'm not suggesting that the US is responsible for the decline of European Colonialism however it most certainly did accelerate + encourage that decline. That's not conspiracy theory or revisionism as far as I know it's fairly commonly accepted? America as a country founded on principles of self determination has always been ill at ease with the concept of Empire *I should point out that this is one of the things that I personally like about the US*. At a political level the US did actively encourage and seek a more rapid climbdown from the former days of colonialism.
I'm really starting to drag things off topic here though so if you want to discuss it further please start a thread, I for one am shutting up about that here.
I do think it's a shame that you can't find anything even slightly positive in the act itself regardless of whether you think the final outcome of the war itself was worth the loss.
"Malcolm was particularly touched because her uncle's immediate family are all now dead, and no one had ever visited his grave."
To try and find some common ground with you here and take the topic away from the war / empire and purely to a human level.
To me the result of this act is that a family member of the man that died has had the damage of that loss at least slightly blunted and knows that he will not be forgotten or abandoned in some foreign land that didn't even care about the sacrifice he made.
I'm not suggesting that the US is responsible for the decline of European Colonialism however it most certainly did accelerate + encourage that decline. That's not conspiracy theory or revisionism as far as I know it's fairly commonly accepted? America as a country founded on principles of self determination has always been ill at ease with the concept of Empire *I should point out that this is one of the things that I personally like about the US*. At a political level the US did actively encourage and seek a more rapid climbdown from the former days of colonialism.
I'm really starting to drag things off topic here though so if you want to discuss it further please start a thread, I for one am shutting up about that here.
I do think it's a shame that you can't find anything even slightly positive in the act itself regardless of whether you think the final outcome of the war itself was worth the loss.
"Malcolm was particularly touched because her uncle's immediate family are all now dead, and no one had ever visited his grave."
To try and find some common ground with you here and take the topic away from the war / empire and purely to a human level.
To me the result of this act is that a family member of the man that died has had the damage of that loss at least slightly blunted and knows that he will not be forgotten or abandoned in some foreign land that didn't even care about the sacrifice he made.
alphatarget1
Diamond Member
what's the link? I'd like to post this on my facebook and put my french hating friends to shame.
If you actually watch what happens in the UN, its the French that are the "xenophobic haters" They will literally do ANYTHING just to be on the opposite side of whatever the US delegation is in favor of. And if the US delegation switches sides on an issue, the French will typically come up with a reason to question the US's position and re-align themselves to be the US's opposite.
Despite whatever stereotypes of a french-hating-right-wing-red-neck-FOX-new-watching-teh-eval-etc you want to propagate here, general population surveys of both US and France show that the french are WAY more aggressive in thier mindsets to other countries (especially USA) than americans are.
sammyunltd
Senior member
Honestly, I don't want to be rude but, don't take this as a sign of strong ties between USA and France. Frenchmen don't care about the US and they take every opportunity to make fun of it.
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