Freeze it

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: threeringbinder
http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...9oct02,0,1355534.story

discuss.

Discuss what? No commentary here

Rules changed recently?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Well, it doesn't require them to "freeze" the noodles, just keep them below 41F. I don't see that as being required for a safe product but I also don't think it would affect the quality of the product much, if any either.

I don't blame them for trying to get an exception to the law. Complying with the law is just adding unnecessary cost to the product IMHO.

Try an experiment & put some bread in the frig for a day, then compare it to non refrigerated bread, there's a huge difference. Same thing with the rice noodles.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Let me first state that I'm very offended by the action of the FDA due to my Asian heritage.

It simply makes no sense that those who argue for more government intervention has no regard for the facts (that rice noodles being sold have not posed a health problem to the general public).

I didn't see the need to politicize this particular issue, but many hard core liberals on this board (Craig et al.) simply lacks the intellectual capacity to rationally look at this so called "problem" to see that FDA regulations that pertains to this case makes no sense whatsoever.

and I am offended you lack respect for my American rules.

There is nothing stopping you or any other Asians from taking your rule breaking asses back to your countries of origin and stay there.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: threeringbinder
http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...9oct02,0,1355534.story

discuss.

Discuss what? No commentary here

Rules changed recently?

His commentary ended up arriving a few posts down.

Care to comment on the subject Dave? We all live and die on your every word, so please enlighten us.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: threeringbinder
http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...9oct02,0,1355534.story

discuss.

Discuss what? No commentary here

Rules changed recently?

His commentary ended up arriving a few posts down.

Care to comment on the subject Dave? We all live and die on your every word, so please enlighten us.

Apparently not, you and the rest are still here.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: CPA

It's a matter of using "culture" as an excuse to ignore law. So, if the law is wrong, then work to change it, but don't come in and say "oh, it's okay our culture allows it".

There are plenty law laws being ignored everyday, and laws that don't make any sense whatsoever. I will concede that these noodle makers have been violating rules (even though they are not harmful), and they're trying to get it changed. Chances are slim that bureaucrats won't change it.

Our law also states that a 18 year old guy having sex with a 16-17 year old girl (depending on the state) equals statutory rape, and they throw the guy in jail for years. It isn't right, and chances of it getting changed is nil. People sold booze during Prohibition.

Do you blindly follow whatever the law says just because it's on the books? The law also states that an officer's word is stronger than an ordinary citizens' in a court of law, which allows this to happen.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: First

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: First

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: First

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: First

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Craig234
I'm with the health experts, not the cultural superstitions.

The dude has been in business for 25 years. If his food was making people sick, he'd lose customers.

Would banks lose customers if they bought up mortgage securities from other banks without properly assessing their risk? Then leveraging them to institutions who insured them? Better tell AIG, Lehman, BOA, WaMu, et al, they wouldn't dare do something that wasn't in the customer's interest! Private industry routinely does things against their own customers' interests and sometimes without even knowing it. It's called asymmetric information.

What's sad is that you probably didn't understand any of that.

No, I understood it just fine, thank you.

The answer to your question is "no." Because of FDIC, people don't give a shit what their bank does with their money. So your analogy here is quite irrelevant.

All the FDIC does is provide insurance, and we've had insurance companies since the 18th century. Try again.

EDIT; Reading your comment again, it doesn't even make sense. Following this logic, insurance companies dissuade consumers from caring about their property or dollars and, if true, the alternative of not having insurance must have proven more successful in some country, somewhere? Nope. :laugh:

FDIC is not an insurance company, it's part of government, and it's also a monopoly. So your argument, which is derailing this thread btw, is again, irrelevant.

No, FDIC is nothing more than insurance and it operates exactly the same way in terms of guarantees as insurance companies do. They routinely hire insurance execs from the private sector. There is no effective difference in how it insures deposits, and if you want to claim otherwise, using the term "government" isn't actually an argument. It's a word. For once you'll actually have to think through what you're saying and be specific. Or you can wimp out of the thread per usual.

Does FDIC have any competition? Does FDIC weigh the risks of banks' assets? Why are you trying to derail this thread? Did you come here to attack me, or to talk about noodles?

You made the laughable claim that insuring bank deposits makes people not "give a shit what their bank does with their money", which of course is no different than any other bank around the world. So you'll have to back that up with fact and explain what is relevant about the FDIC not having "competition" for insuring bank deposits. I know you just made it up because you still can't explain why banks would make better decisions without the FDIC, I'm just having fun knowing you don't have the first clue what's going on.

And sorry, this thread isn't about noddles. It's about whether the laws protecting consumer health should be enforced by the FDA on this particular case, which just happens to be noddles but could be about any cuisine that has a particular cultural tradition. Your argument that the gov't shouldn't intrude is the same nonsense anti-vaccine crazies use to deny their children life-saving medical technology.

:roll:

I didn't bring up banking in this thread, you did. So, the burden of proof as to the relevancy of your analogy, is on you. And since this is WAY off topic, and since you're going to ignore my questions, I am not discussing this any further. I think it's obvious to everyone else you came in here to attack me rather than to discuss the OP.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: CPA
Here we go, once again "culture" from one country being used as an excuse to supersede American law. I don't care what your damn "culture" is in China or wherever, if you're going to come to America, you have to follow American law. Otherwise, we might as well allow Sharia customs like the British are doing.

:roll:

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: bamacre

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

But it's still our laws.

They don't like it, they are free to leave or work to get the law changed.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

But it's still our laws.

They don't like it, they are free to leave or work to get the law changed.

If you read the OP link you'll see that's precisely what's going on, they are trying to get the law changed. Government is saying that it's a bad idea because of safety concerns which apparently don't exist. Government doesn't like to have it's authority challenged whether the regulations make sense or not. You of all people should know this.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

But it's still our laws.

They don't like it, they are free to leave or work to get the law changed.

If you read the OP link you'll see that's precisely what's going on, they are trying to get the law changed. Government is saying that it's a bad idea because of safety concerns which apparently don't exist. Government doesn't like to have it's authority challenged whether the regulations make sense or not. You of all people should know this.

Good, then the whiners should STFU

All I ask is people do something about it, not just whine like babies.

You should know that too.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's what they are doing, trying, and probably going to lose because facts need not apply. That's largely my beef.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

But it's still our laws.

They don't like it, they are free to leave or work to get the law changed.

Yeah, that's what CA needs right now, more businesses leaving.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

But it's still our laws.

They don't like it, they are free to leave or work to get the law changed.

Yeah, that's what CA needs right now, more businesses leaving.

Absolutely, because that will leave opportunity for real Americans.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

But it's still our laws.

They don't like it, they are free to leave or work to get the law changed.

Yeah, that's what CA needs right now, more businesses leaving.

Absolutely, because that will leave opportunity for real Americans.

Go fuck yourself dave. Why is this kind of blatant racism allowed?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

But it's still our laws.

They don't like it, they are free to leave or work to get the law changed.

Yeah, that's what CA needs right now, more businesses leaving.

Absolutely, because that will leave opportunity for real Americans.

Go fuck yourself dave. Why is this kind of blatant racism allowed?

Because it's got nothing to do with racism, it's Patriotism but of course you would know nothing about that obviously.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

But it's still our laws.

They don't like it, they are free to leave or work to get the law changed.

Yeah, that's what CA needs right now, more businesses leaving.

Absolutely, because that will leave opportunity for real Americans.

Indians with a feather/Mexicans? Because you sure as hell aren't American. And it's pretty goddamn ignorant to claim an entire continent as yours.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

But it's still our laws.

They don't like it, they are free to leave or work to get the law changed.

Yeah, that's what CA needs right now, more businesses leaving.

Absolutely, because that will leave opportunity for real Americans.

Indians with a feather/Mexicans? Because you sure as hell aren't American. And it's pretty goddamn ignorant to claim an entire continent as yours.

It's not my continent but sure as hell is my country.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

The law in this situation is absurd. And isn't it just ironic that people come to this country for freedom and opportunity, only to get shot down? 25 years after being in business at that.

But it's still our laws.

They don't like it, they are free to leave or work to get the law changed.

Yeah, that's what CA needs right now, more businesses leaving.

Absolutely, because that will leave opportunity for real Americans.

Indians with a feather/Mexicans? Because you sure as hell aren't American. And it's pretty goddamn ignorant to claim an entire continent as yours.

It's not my continent but sure as hell is my country.

America is your country?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
America is your country?

Yes it is.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: bamacre


:roll:

I didn't bring up banking in this thread, you did. So, the burden of proof as to the relevancy of your analogy, is on you. And since this is WAY off topic, and since you're going to ignore my questions, I am not discussing this any further. I think it's obvious to everyone else you came in here to attack me rather than to discuss the OP.

You brought up the FDIC when you were told the reality that private industry routinely does things about their customer's interests, including selling bad noodles. So as I said, you can't explain why consumers would be better off with the FDIC not insuring their deposits, which is simultaneously why you can't explain why a gov't agency shouldn't regulate health standards like this one. Once you say they shouldn't, you can't make the next critical thinking leap into what would happen if you let the reins loose on private businesses to regulate their own health decisions. Hence my analogy to the disaster that was letting banks regulate themselves. I'm sorry you don't know that it's quite on topic. I'm also sorry you feel "attacked" for being asked to back up your nonsense with details and fact.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
I'm not quite sure you guys are using the bread vs. noodles analogy correctly. Bread has been cooked. Noodles haven't. Most recipes I've used to make homemade noodles require the use of eggs. So, you're mixing in raw eggs, then leaving it laying around at room temperature.

That said, as dry as noodles are, I don't see a problem. Besides, people don't eat them raw. The cooking process should destroy any bacteria that do manage to grow. And, 1000 years, times a hell of a lot of people = fairly well tested product safety.

That is the key to the whole thing. Even if the noodles are dry they likely get bacteria growing on them and in them because bacteria are everywhere. Anyone who has taken a proper microbiology class understands that it is how you handle things as to whether you get sick or not because with bacteria it is not if they are present (they always are) but in what quantities they are present. The important point is the product has not been cooked yet. Since you boil them there are no bacteria that can survive that kind of temperature and the duration of cooking is long enough to guarantee any bacteria present are destroyed, so the end result is the noodles are fine. Since these noodles are prepared fresh and used in restaurants in a relatively short time period this is a non issue. As usual, Craig is wrong.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: First

Originally posted by: bamacre


:roll:

I didn't bring up banking in this thread, you did. So, the burden of proof as to the relevancy of your analogy, is on you. And since this is WAY off topic, and since you're going to ignore my questions, I am not discussing this any further. I think it's obvious to everyone else you came in here to attack me rather than to discuss the OP.

You brought up the FDIC when you were told the reality that private industry routinely does things about their customer's interests, including selling bad noodles. So as I said, you can't explain why consumers would be better off with the FDIC not insuring their deposits, which is simultaneously why you can't explain why a gov't agency shouldn't regulate health standards like this one. Once you say they shouldn't, you can't make the next critical thinking leap into what would happen if you let the reins loose on private businesses to regulate their own health decisions. Hence my analogy to the disaster that was letting banks regulate themselves. I'm sorry you don't know that it's quite on topic. I'm also sorry you feel "attacked" for being asked to back up your nonsense with details and fact.

There's a huge difference between financial regulations and regulations like this on food.

If you can't see this, that's your problem.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: First

Originally posted by: bamacre


:roll:

I didn't bring up banking in this thread, you did. So, the burden of proof as to the relevancy of your analogy, is on you. And since this is WAY off topic, and since you're going to ignore my questions, I am not discussing this any further. I think it's obvious to everyone else you came in here to attack me rather than to discuss the OP.

You brought up the FDIC when you were told the reality that private industry routinely does things about their customer's interests, including selling bad noodles. So as I said, you can't explain why consumers would be better off with the FDIC not insuring their deposits, which is simultaneously why you can't explain why a gov't agency shouldn't regulate health standards like this one. Once you say they shouldn't, you can't make the next critical thinking leap into what would happen if you let the reins loose on private businesses to regulate their own health decisions. Hence my analogy to the disaster that was letting banks regulate themselves. I'm sorry you don't know that it's quite on topic. I'm also sorry you feel "attacked" for being asked to back up your nonsense with details and fact.

There's a huge difference between financial regulations and regulations like this on food.

If you can't see this, that's your problem.

You couldn't explain the difference if your life depended on it, and you know it. Too bad you're not man enough to admit it.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: First

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: First

Originally posted by: bamacre


:roll:

I didn't bring up banking in this thread, you did. So, the burden of proof as to the relevancy of your analogy, is on you. And since this is WAY off topic, and since you're going to ignore my questions, I am not discussing this any further. I think it's obvious to everyone else you came in here to attack me rather than to discuss the OP.

You brought up the FDIC when you were told the reality that private industry routinely does things about their customer's interests, including selling bad noodles. So as I said, you can't explain why consumers would be better off with the FDIC not insuring their deposits, which is simultaneously why you can't explain why a gov't agency shouldn't regulate health standards like this one. Once you say they shouldn't, you can't make the next critical thinking leap into what would happen if you let the reins loose on private businesses to regulate their own health decisions. Hence my analogy to the disaster that was letting banks regulate themselves. I'm sorry you don't know that it's quite on topic. I'm also sorry you feel "attacked" for being asked to back up your nonsense with details and fact.

There's a huge difference between financial regulations and regulations like this on food.

If you can't see this, that's your problem.

You couldn't explain the difference if your life depended on it, and you know it. Too bad you're not man enough to admit it.

/facepalm

You know, attempting to be the on the opposite side of RP on every single issue doesn't make you look smart. It makes you look like a fucking momo.

There is a difference, a big one.

Most people here see this regulation for what it is. Wrong. Yet, they wouldn't feel the same about financial regulations. That's because they are capable of independent thought.

And yes, again, there is a difference between regulations like this and those you're talking about in the finance industry. This one could go away overnight, and it wouldn't matter one bit. You certainly cannot say the same about financial regulations. And no one with half a brain would argue for that.

You've done nothing in this thread but try to derail it and attack me. So, let me give you some advice, kid, get back on topic before someone comes in here and smacks you over the head with a noodle. And stop acting like a fucking momo.