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skull

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This is long and covers a few different things. If you are going to comment please read the whole thing. I make a lot of generalizations.

Everyone is just like everybody else we all have goals feel hurt pain pleasure hate and love. Most people think the world would be better if everyone is like them. I don't want everyone to be the same that would be boring. I don't believe in God and don't care if someone else does. I don't like when people try to push there beleifs on everyone else. Alot of laws are based on Christianity in america and i'm guessing in europe. In the middle east and other countries alot of there laws are based on Islam. In todays society there are alot of people that believe there is reverse prejudice minorities get jobs easier than people of the majority. This breeds even more prejudice for the minorty. There is alot less prejudice today than there used to be but its still out there. If we are all equel why are more blacks in prison? Do they actually commit more crimes or do cops just think they do and go after them more. To me a criminal is someone who hurts another in some way. A drug user is a criminal. Some people say they hurt people when they are under the influence. This is not true. If your a good person and take a hit of crack its not going to make you start robbing people. If your a bad person and take a hit of crack if you want more you might go rob somebody. So a drug user is not a criminal just by using drugs. The drug dealer you say is a criminal he ruins peoples lives. In capitalism you a buy a product and sell it for the highest price people will pay. To sell it for that price someone has to want to pay it. Just like RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris drug dealers are selling a dangerous product. As much as people want to sue the tobacco companies its still up to the consumer to choose to use a certain product. Drug dealers are just entrepenuers trying to get there peice of the american dream. According to the US Department of justice 20% of the people in jail are for drug related offenses. In 2003 there were a little more than 2 million people in jail. Thats 400,000 people in jail for a victimless crime. If you believe a crime is hurting someone else. Locking 400,000 individuals in a place where they can be a victim of real crime to me is a crime in itself. Maybe this doesn't matter to you because you don't use drugs and never will. Maybe you don't smoke so its ok to ban smoking. Maybe your not gay so you don't care if gays are not allowed to get married. Maybe you like fast food its dangerous you could get fat and have a heart attack. They wouldn't go that far would they? I don't know how many states enforce the seat belt law. People who don't wear there seatbelts are not hurting anyone. Of course theres always someone to say but you don't have to scrap them off the pavement. I don't have to try to save the obese man having a heart attack either. There are very many people who believe we live in an infallable country. This is very dangerous to think we can do no wrong. We invaded a country because they had WMD. We found this not to be true. Now its about spreading freedom and democracy saving them from the evil dictator. Freedom given at the point of a gun is just the oppisite. Especially to spread a freedom this country hasn't yet mastered.

Every great empire in history has fallen if we continue on this path its the begining of the end of the nation I grew up ready to die for.
 

cKGunslinger

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1) PM a mod to move this to P&N (oops, links are too close together, I know :p )

2) Line breaks. Please.
 

cKGunslinger

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Nov 29, 1999
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*sigh* I'm bored for the next 10 minutes before I leave work, so here ya go. Note: there are still many errors (some of my own), but this might be bit more readable:


Originally posted by: skull
This is long and covers a few different things. If you are going to comment please read the whole thing. I make a lot of generalizations.

Everyone is just like everybody else: we all have goals, feel hurt, pain, pleasure, hate, and love. Most people think the world would be better if everyone is like them.

I don't want everyone to be the same - that would be boring. I don't believe in God and don't care if someone else does. I don't like when people try to push their beliefs on everyone else.

A lot of laws are based on Christianity in America and, I'm guessing, in Europe. In the Middle b]E[/b]ast and other countries a lot of their laws are based on Islam. In today's society there are a lot of people that believe there is reverse prejudice - minorities get jobs easier than people of the majority. This breeds even more prejudice for the minorty.

There is a lot less prejudice today than there used to be, but it's still out there. If we are all equal, why are more blacks in prison? Do they actually commit more crimes or do cops just think they do and go after them more?

To me a criminal is someone who hurts another in some way. A drug user is a criminal. Some people say they hurt people when they are under the influence. This is not true. If you're a good person and take a hit of crack, it's not going to make you start robbing people. If you're a bad person and take a hit of crack if you want more you might go rob somebody. So a drug user is not a criminal just by using drugs. The drug dealer you say is a criminal - he ruins people's lives.

In capitalism, you a buy a product and sell it for the highest price people will pay. To sell it for that price, someone has to want to pay it. Just like RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris, drug dealers are selling a dangerous product. As much as people want to sue the tobacco companies, its still up to the consumer to choose to use a certain product. Drug dealers are just entrepenuers trying to get their piece of the American dream.

According to the US Department of Justice, 20% of the people in jail are in for drug-related offenses. In 2003, there were a little more than 2 million people in jail. That's 400,000 people in jail for a victimless crime. If you believe a crime is hurting someone else - locking 400,000 individuals in a place where they can be a victim of real crime, to me, is a crime in itself.

Maybe this doesn't matter to you because you don't use drugs and never will. Maybe you don't smoke, so its ok to ban smoking. Maybe you're not gay so you don't care if gays are not allowed to get married. Maybe you like fast food - it's dangerous; you could get fat and have a heart attack. They wouldn't go that far would they?

I don't know how many states enforce the seatbelt law. People who don't wear their seatbelts are not hurting anyone. Of course there's always someone to say, "but you don't have to scrap them off the pavement." I don't have to try to save the obese man having a heart attack, either.

There are very many people who believe we live in an infallable country. This is very dangerous to think we can do no wrong. We invaded a country because they had WMD. We found this not to be true. Now its about spreading freedom and democracy - saving them from the evil dictator. Freedom given at the point of a gun is just the opposite - especially to spread a freedom this country hasn't yet mastered.

Every great empire in history has fallen - if we continue on this path, it's the beginning of the end of the nation I grew up ready to die for.


After that, I'm still not sure what kind of response you wanted.
 

Cerb

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I agree with you (mostly) and believe in breaking spaces, too.


Two names come to mind: Saul of Tarsus(sp) and Karl Rove.
Two concepts come to mind: divine dogma and population control via public relations.
Two books come to mind: Revelation and 1984. Both should have been left at fiction, save for making believers out them.
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: skull
Every great empire in history has fallen if we continue on this path its the begining of the end of the nation I grew up ready to die for.

Awwwww, sucks to be an Ohioan now huh??? Too bad.

You have to learn to be happy with this, this is what the Country wants, this is what it gets.